# Episode 010 with Brian 'Dj Toasty' Andrews and Kelly 'K3lls' St. Onge

- Episode: 0010
- Date: 2019-12-13
- Duration: 1:46:43 (6403s)
- Guests: [Brian 'Dj Toasty' Andrews](/guests/brian-dj-toasty-andrew/) & [Kelly 'K3lls' St. Onge](/guests/kelly-st-onge/)
- YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5CT511iwvk
- RSS: https://share.transistor.fm/s/f05f59d0

## About

I have worked in the music and sound industry for nearly a decade now. My DJ endeavors are plentiful and have offered me many lessons that I will carry forward as I level up more in this life. The mind of a DJ takes discipline. Constantly assessing and planning your next 5 moves is not a skill that shuts off for the Disc Jockey when the lights come on at 2am.

We briefly touched the iceberg on these two great humans. There's much more they each will offer in the coming months from their intricate and beautiful minds.

In this episode, we get a small glance into the different backgrounds each of us bring to the tables and where those backgrounds point us now as older wiser men.

We share stories of festivals, clubs and silly business. We try to bridge the gap between the requester and the dj - as well as contemplate the future of the disc jockey and his place in clubs.

There are many differences between DJ's and their skills, and many more with more complicated aliases with names like "producer" or "writer", we try to lay that out - as well as the differences between terms like "bootleg", "remix", and "edit".

The boys and I do our best to scrape up some new lenses and frames for the listeners to take a peek through.

P.S. relax your scowl, go drink some water and grab some fresh air real quick.

## Chapters

(none published in episode notes)

## Quotes

(none published as a Quotes list; inline phrase quotes "bootleg" / "remix" / "edit" / "producer" / "writer" kept in About)

## Guest links

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## Archive picks


## Memorable quotes
- [0:00] Jacob: “if you didn't know I got into DJing through Kelly he we had met up through a mutual friend and we were just BS in about I mean”
- [1:10] Kelly: “and you then let me borrow you then let me borrow your mixer for a couple months and that was like I mean that's like the rest of”
- [11:38] Brian: “Barracuda which was the largest nightclub in the Pacific Northwest 1,100 person capacity on average DJing between 8 and 15 hundred people sometimes we push capacities so that”
- [50:02] Brian: “came up to me wanted Van Halen's eruption I'm just going through like the normal wedding stuff right interruptions like this like three long guitar solo by Eddie”
- [1:27:29] Jacob: “difference between a bootleg and a remix and an edit you know a remix is something that's licensed by the artists yeah it's official bootleg is you have”
- [39:47] Kelly: “do I find a unique remix for this”
- [1:06:13] Kelly: “Can go get a hundred dollar controller you know with a cheap computer that you find off of Craigslist and you know a downloaded library or Spotify or”
- [1:16:47] Kelly: “Like Ableton or logic he's got confusing”
- [58:52] Kelly: “whether you want to be a producer like knowing what lane you're”
- [1:24:06] Kelly: “I've learned those on SoundCloud pretty well yeah so so all of the samples and all of the”
- [1:40:26] Jacob: “be fun that'll be a glow party and but anyway we can include info on that in the comments do you feel like”
- [2:40] Brian: “clubs and bars and weddings and ctsos and corporate events and stuffy stuff have DJed a funeral one so that was strange yeah oh no it's a wake”

## Chapter-style timestamps
- [0:00](#t0-00) — Opening — Junkyard Love / three DJs
- [2:40](#t2-40) — Club / wedding / corporate DJ work
- [7:25](#t7-25) — Mobile DJ beginnings
- [11:38](#t11-38) — Largest nightclub in the Pacific Northwest
- [22:26](#t22-26) — Requests from the dancefloor
- [37:30](#t37-30) — Disc jockey vs producer vs writer
- [58:52](#t58-52) — Knowing your lane as a producer
- [1:06:13](#t1-06-13) — Hundred-dollar controller entry point
- [1:27:29](#t1-27-29) — Bootleg vs remix vs edit
- [1:40:26](#t1-40-26) — Glow / closing stories

## Keywords
DJing, disc jockey, DJ Toasty, K3lls, clubs, weddings, mobile DJ, festivals, requests, bootleg, remix, edit, producer, controller, Ableton, SoundCloud, Bassnectar, Pacific Northwest, nightclub, hip-hop, EDM, house music, vinyl

## Hashtags
#JunkyardLove #DJ #DjToasty #K3lls #ElectronicMusic #ClubCulture #MobileDJ #PNW

## Short guest bios
Brian 'DJ Toasty' Andrew is a Pacific Northwest disc jockey, music director, and event producer (also featured on ep 0055). Kelly 'K3lls' St. Onge is a DJ and artistically science-minded friend who first taught Jacob the basics of DJing and lent him a mixer (also featured on ep 0030). In 0010 the three DJs compare club/wedding/festival work, request culture, and the language of bootlegs, remixes, edits, and producers.


## Transcript

From YouTube automatic captions; light cleanup; speaker labels via imperfect auto diarization (Jacob / Brian / Kelly — Brian/Kelly may be swapped in places).

[0:00] Jacob: Ladies and gentlemen welcome to the Junkyard Love Podcast today I have Brian DJ Toasty and Kelly Kells that's what have you both here so this one I'm pretty pumped about we have the three of us here and we are all three DJs we've all been DJs for like quite a while in different areas and different fields and we've crossed different paths in different ways so I want to just kind of like start from the inside and branch out and kind of explain our world of DJing from this side of the decks you know so I think I'm gonna start I want to ask you guys about how you got started with DJing so I'm gonna start with that I'll tell kind of my intro story so Kelly knows it very well i toast you if you didn't know I got into DJing through Kelly he we had met up through a mutual friend and we were just BS in about I mean I seem to be like Bassnectar or something that I don't really like that much know how good but so we just got bonding over that and I just like I have this opportunity I was like man like DJing was so cool and you were just like what

[1:10] Kelly: That's so cool that you think that let me show you everything and I was like yeah I mean I was probably crying my night I was so pumped because I you know I just thought you know you didn't think that when you think about this art form DJing even yeah any art form you think that there's like gatekeepers and like you feel kind of embarrassed to ask about it right so but anyway so you so we can touch on that certainly but you made me feel super comfortable over the next few months you had showed me a couple thing I came over to your house and you then let me borrow you then let me borrow your mixer for a couple months and that was like I mean that's like the rest of my life I definitely sent me down the path so I definitely am grateful for that so Kelly started me out here but so before that when I have like just flirted with it I actually had this moment at the gorge before I had asked you before whatever even gave me the courage to ask you to show me I had this moment at the gorge where I was watching

[2:02] Jacob: Cascade on the hill and I was by myself and my friends had floated off and it was just this like euphoric moment where it was like if I could do something make it maybe I can make people feel how he's making me feel oh is this like I'm wonder if and then that's when I kind of decided that I wanted to flirt with the world of DJing to making music so that was my like falling in love with the art of DJing in music and Kelly you skyrocketed me out there then from there it was just the history behind that a big DJing for eight years I think no something like that um and that's just expanded to

[2:40] Brian: Everything we started with EDM and then I just play a little bit of everything now you go into clubs and bars and weddings and ctsos and corporate events and stuffy stuff have DJed a funeral one so that was strange yeah oh no it's a wake we have to call

[2:58] Jacob: It awake because that's that means not funeral made actually really wasn't that bad but anyway the point being is we

[3:09] Brian: All kind of get into DJing in our art forms in different ways so there's kind of a little step in the water of how I got mine so let's go ahead and go to you cows what did you get started DJing and in like what even led you to take that step towards it so I moved up to Bellingham when I was I was right out of

[3:32] Jacob: High school moved up there and just kind of you know sat down with a few of my friends and really hey we know this cool Google bar you want to go so I went down there is this list hole in the wall it's called the Cobra lounge and this guy walked in there and really cool like

[3:54] Brian: Murals on the wall like couches everywhere who like hookah lounge pretty cool right this guy named DJ Einstein

[4:02] Jacob: Was well yeah very cool name was

[4:07] Brian: Spinning that night and he just the way

[4:11] Jacob: He be Jade like made everything just so cool and just so dynamic and it was a cool environment it was just like wow like this is really cool like I want to do that kind of thing you know

[4:27] Brian: And from there I just kind of researched it and I saved up a little bit money for some speakers and my first mixer and yeah it went from there

[4:39] Jacob: And then we had this big a bedroom

[4:42] Brian: House as a duplex and we had parties

[4:46] Jacob: Every once in a while and they're always

[4:49] Brian: Like Kelly your games we're gonna play tonight I'm like yeah why not let's do it yeah so just kind of got started

[4:57] Jacob: There and then yeah I yeah just really

[5:03] Brian: Snowballed from there like doors open up right you start mean to hit different gigs yeah so eventually I think what was

[5:13] Jacob: I was at that point where you're still

[5:16] Brian: They were sold vinyls being played - mm-hmm wait you remember like what year-ish this was oh wait hell D I'm 30

[5:24] Jacob: Yeah 30 okay yeah - you're sort of me so finals yeah that's crazy because I like skipped over vitals I guess - like really like timestamp it is like right when Rosco came out like boob us got me into dubstep you know that's crazy my first show that got me into even enjoying EDM was Rosco yeah so I just remember you're like even being in the back room and this person actually played a big part of it - his

[5:48] Brian: Name was Greg Jones and him and his

[5:52] Jacob: Buddy David were DJs and Greg's Greg and I are in the back room over where I was working at the time and he goes dude

[6:02] Brian: Have you ever heard this and you know there was like Houseman is there's like Daft Punk and like justice and all those kind of guys that were out so I was kind of some of those and that kind of got me into that but then finally it like I've never heard of this like what the what is this like and it just got me hooked so yeah dubstep and DJing kinda just went hand in hand and I kind of took off from there so one house party led to

[6:31] Kelly: Another house party I think I did it for like there was a house party after house party for like three months straight of course it just that I've got me like kind of like help me I don't know how to say it like just get better yeah DJ forces you to learn I mean throws you have the wolf and it's like perform in your yes so try owner

[6:53] Jacob: You know and yeah that's came home met you yeah and Khan the rest is history yeah we started doing some bigger shows and say yeah well okay dope cool dad that's DJ Kells and so now we got Toasty DJ Toasty man give me some of your background I really don't even know the ledge oh my gosh man you guys gonna make me feel old so I actually started DJing in 95 so I was in a high or so I

[7:25] Brian: Started because we had mobile DJ's coming in and doing our high school dances and they were older and they're like way older like 30 plus and so they were playing music that I mean really wasn't connecting with anybody and so I you know I said I could do that and it's funny you know now I think back and I got into it too because I'd go to the high school dances and I was kind of the outcast I didn't dance you know it was very awkward I love music classically

[7:59] Jacob: Trained piano saxophone bassoon trombone played all those instruments growing up but I you know I didn't like the music that the guy was playing and I didn't I

[8:11] Brian: Couldn't dance so it was like okay well

[8:14] Kelly: I want to go to these functions because that's part of that whole social you know growth thing how am I going to be still involved and so I hooked up with the guy locally Scott knelling who owns

[8:25] Jacob: Music more deejays great guy and I said hey you know I don't have the music library cuz in 95 yet there wasn't the Internet there wasn't like you just go to Spotify or you know yeah you could you couldn't just go buy music I mean sorry you couldn't go quote fine music you actually had to have a collection and so he hooked me up he said yeah I'll

[8:50] Brian: Let you rent my mobile gig set up and so we had way too many speakers and blew too many Breakers the next dance and it was it was amazing it was so much fun so that was 95 starred graduated high

[9:06] Kelly: School went off to college for a little bit came back and there was a place that opened up in town it's on the corner of

[9:13] Jacob: Commerce and Florida right now it's the

[9:17] Kelly: Roxy coffee that whole building used to

[9:20] Jacob: Be called South Pacific so that was like 2002 2005 and so I went in there and

[9:28] Brian: They it was funny because they had started with house music because that's what the owners liked and it was way before the EDM boom and so nobody in town nobody one in your house music and so they'd had like two DJ's that were just working it and good DJ's fantastic deejays and I loved it I went in there a couple times I'm like oh my god this is you know it was fantastic and I had

[9:52] Jacob: Started listening to I grew up you know

[9:54] Brian: Listening an alternative music you know grunge and STP and Allison chains and Red Hot Chili Peppers in that whole Nirvana that whole age of grunge but I'd

[10:05] Jacob: Really got into like eurodance it's gonna sound cheesy saying it but vanga boys and to unlim and you know that

[10:13] Brian: Whole pop house for your cheesy pop yeah

[10:16] Jacob: I mean you know Chemical Brothers you know that whole genre of music just prodigy so I just I fell in love with that type of music but there was no place to play it there was no place to listen to it there wasn't online mixes back then you know so anyway stumbled into to this South Pacific and they had these house DJ's loved it but there was nobody there they're all over at the casino with next door because there did top 40 pop over

[10:43] Brian: There and so I talked to the owners and I said hey you know I'm a mobile DJ and you know I'll play any type of music you want to play and they're like yeah we'll give you a shot so start playing there

[10:52] Jacob: And just did kind of an open format

[10:55] Brian: Wedding reception mix music and at the end of the night the last 30 minutes I'd always play house and the people that wanted to listen the house we're there you know and if the people that didn't want to listen the house and they just kind of trickle out the front door and it was okay the owners were cool with it so did that got hooked up with a

[11:15] Jacob: Concept entertainment so that place

[11:19] Brian: Close to no.5 2005 then got hooked up concept entertainment became their music director and oversaw music programming

[11:27] Jacob: For seven different locations in Portland so thirsty lion chain Grand Central bull Lotus there was a couple other places but the main one that I was

[11:38] Brian: Working out was Barracuda which was the largest nightclub in the Pacific Northwest 1,100 person capacity on average DJing between 8 and 15 hundred people sometimes we push capacities so that was definitely a getting thrown to the wolves because South Pacific was like 200 people max and you have different room sizes have definitely different energies different speed of mixing just different

[12:05] Jacob: Skill sets yeah and honestly a 1100 person room is a lot easier to DJ for than like 150 percent room you know because they're all there 11 other people they're not going anywhere you can get away with whatever you want to play and so that you know somebody enjoy it because that's what the crowds need someone to give them permission to dance I mean that's not a lot of crowds works yep if there's one part even one grifoll you can get 30 people happy out of a huge group like that you get every seven yeah so did that for a while they ended

[12:43] Brian: Up shifting their focus and expanding their thirsty lion brand which is a gastropub design and so they actually

[12:52] Jacob: Closed Burcu CUDA and I closed a couple of the other locations that were just high risk meaning liquor sales as opposed to food sales and so they close those down I made a career change got into IT at that time but have still kind of dabbled in I had a residency over and Bend for three years and was doing that once a month do a lot of consulting for sound

[13:19] Brian: Installs and promotions and marketing so I kind of get to keep my toes in the nightclub piece of it but not be out late you know past 9:00 p. m. and still

[13:33] Jacob: Get to getting involved with the local scene here with you guys kind of

[13:37] Brian: Dabbling back into what I really love but obviously it's not my full-time gig anymore yeah so I mean yeah it's dead

[13:46] Kelly: It's funny how it's you start with one thing and it rejects you on to all these other things that because that's how I started with my audio engineering an audio directing stuff is I was like met up with Kelly and I was like music is cool right and then it was like DJing is cool and then it was after that it was kind of like the production company that I've been doing just random whatever like Heil rap chords like just teach me I work a camera I'll do it you know it's doing like all these side things it was fine like oh cool I have like I am pretty good you know I'm getting good of this music thing I could start making this kind of my specialty and so I drove into that sounds like what you did that too um I want to think

[14:23] Jacob: Forgive me you guys it's history that's great I want to back up a little bit

[14:27] Kelly: From the moment that we like first got

[14:30] Jacob: Into DJing right I can't talk about what you guys see as different so imagine where our 16 year old selves where our you know or whatever age we were when we were like thinking like what if I could DJ what if I could whatever it's so different now than it

[14:45] Kelly: Was back then like we had our own struggles and we found a way like I mean ours seems like cakewalk to you because you had to really search them yeah though so the you know it's funny I was thinking about this on the drive over that you talk about gatekeeping right you know like you needed to meet somebody in order to be able to get into that world and for me I a guy his

[15:09] Jacob: Name's Aaron he's a couple years older

[15:12] Brian: Than me and he was really in the house music and he had turntables right so the the things that are different for like a DJ trying to get started now from back

[15:21] Jacob: Then back then to buy to use turntables and a mixer it was like seven 50 bucks meaning used and it was garbage stuff right but then to be able to

[15:35] Brian: Actually get the music so talking about vinyl right so an import a UK import

[15:40] Jacob: House record might have three tracks on it was 1199 1099 up at platinum down in

[15:47] Brian: Portland so to be able to even inquire the music because you couldn't get it anywhere else besides on vinyl most the times or you can find it on CD this is before limelight wire so you couldn't even pirate it right for a domestic so if you wanted to you know get 50 cent in the club and you had to buy two of them because you'd wear them out seriously oh yeah that's a thing to wait hold on how do you wear that I don't know much about my know this so you know your

[16:14] Jacob: Needle you when you're cueing you're actually cutting a little bit off the song each time and every time that it plays through it's not digital it's not just reading ones and zeros you know it's reading the bumps and the groove so that needle digs into it and it'll actually the more times that you play it the less sonic quality that record will have and finally and then just you know being drunk back in my early days you'd skip a needle and you'd scratch cross and then it was junk because it would click each time that it would come around so you'd have to have to be able to you know if it was a hot song and those were five bucks and they might have one or two tracks on it so this was you know 23 years ago it was just it was super expensive to be able to even get into DJing you could go out and buy the single on like a CD you could buy someone's album right but if you're mixing if you're doing an eight beat mix you can't mix the singles yeah

[17:12] Brian: So it was it was challenging you know your guys's challenges are way different than what mine were you know when I started definitely yeah I think too much like one of my challenges is I mean you said it's like oh I got like I have these banger songs like oh no I got to get him I mean it's probably you could probably play that out for a while or there was chances where people wouldn't really hear that song unless you had like you bright show them yeah and that was that was a any other challenge that you'd have is you know you'd show up to a gig and you pack two crates right so crate has between depending on the size crate 40 to 70 tracks on it right so you'd show up and you have 80 to 140 tracks that's it

[17:53] Brian: Right and so if the crowd wasn't feeling what you were playing you're kind of in a corner yeah cuz you couldn't go anywhere like you know you if you're if you had a multi-hour gig not just a one-hour gig show up you know be the stud but if you had like an open to closed type set and you started playing your tracks and people showing up and like oh I don't like this type of thing you know if they're expecting hip-hop or top 40 in your playing house you're kind of stuck I mean that's yeah I mean that'd be devastating I could like I'm always you know cuz you're always watching the room you're like okay they don't like this right we gotta go somewhere else yeah there's part of like you know you got to kind of push what you were hired for a lot of times you got to dig into like what's really going on what you kind of want to push them into what's gonna happen in the coming hours yeah you can't just give them exactly what they want but man I couldn't imagine that being looks like grab a playlist or like all right I'm totally in the bed I'm going to just like look up Spotify for ideas

[18:44] Brian: Right and then once I get the ideas I can even download it so that's something I could even download it on the fly yeah you couldn't even like you didn't have the option of like well that's a whole crate I left that says genre I left in the crate at home right and even touch on it well and I and I think that you know some of the crowd challenges that

[19:00] Jacob: We were talking about earlier I you know

[19:05] Kelly: The thing with the crowds is that they have their Spotify list that they've been listening to before they even get to the club like I want to hear that so I think some of you know when we can touch on that more later but yeah I

[19:18] Jacob: Mean I definitely do want to touch on that I mean that's something that I think I'm talk to both you guys about is the I've noticed in the last few years

[19:25] Kelly: That I'm you know my job is more difficult like that sentence just kind of sucks but crowds are more difficult

[19:35] Jacob: To please they want what they want right

[19:39] Kelly: Now because that's what they're used to I mean we're all like that to start some extent but I'm like really taking a like how is it different from when I first started when I from now and then hearing you too it's like the people's reaction to okay I

[19:53] Jacob: Don't like this song no okay but carry about my life you know like oh that sucks like oh maybe this isn't place for us let's go somewhere else me this isn't our drama of music tonight let's go somewhere else now that person is like they're so used to being able to pull out their phone and change the song they don't stop him didn't stop themselves but they're just walking up to the stage it's like their body is just moving them and they're like hey can you play this song or can you play something else or they'll say something like blatantly rude over the last few years I personally feel that people have gotten I mean I'm gonna say

[20:22] Kelly: 50% more mean towards the dude

[20:25] Brian: On the stage maybe that's just been a lot of my experience I definitely don't want like paint a corner that like everyone's mean to DJ's now you know I'm not trying to cry about it but um it's I don't know I think that the technology and people in the crowd knowing more about music knowing more about thinking they know a lot more about our jobs in coming and like demanding things I definitely touched on that Kelly have you noticed any like you've been doing it for a while - I mean and we've kind of been in similar crowds we've played a lot of the same places have you noticed any like the last few years you know any technology kind of changing the way people definitely you know I

[21:06] Jacob: Am a primary user of Spotify I think people like to create their own playlists and it is very 80 d in a way like when for me like I like to sit down I listen to listen whol whole album like just sit down listen to a whole album and just kind of you know get the get the feel of things and I if I don't like a certain song I'll just keep let

[21:31] Brian: It ride just keep playing and I think you're definitely right like people come up to me like hey I want

[21:38] Jacob: This song right now or I'm gonna leave in like five seconds yeah when people start figuring out that doesn't work what why would people say that all the time right here's the thing if you really want your song played give the DJ some money passing five bucks over respect yeah right show up like here's what you do you show up you go hey I really like your mix tonight or hey I really like that sure that's pretty cool like do you think you could play this song for me or even like you say well say that first like you like compliment them yeah then like if that doesn't work like pass them five bucks right see if your

[22:16] Brian: Song gets played yeah Arisa well and I

[22:20] Jacob: Mean that's been since the day of you

[22:23] Brian: Know the dawn of DJing that has

[22:26] Jacob: Always been requests always and you know for me uh you know my residency and Bend was amazing because it allowed me to play basically everything and you know the crowd was so diverse there was there's gay and lesbian and black and Hispanics and whites and it's just an awesome mixing pot of different backgrounds and people enjoying different music so you can kind of go everywhere but then you have you know it's my birthday crowd and they come up and they want to hear you know their song right now and there's a

[23:01] Brian: Lot going on when we're DJing you know we are trying to I equate it to chess

[23:07] Kelly: Where we've got four or five songs that we've in our mind were like I want to go here this is the end point that I want to get to so you know someone comes up to you and they're like oh I want this song and you're at 120 beats per minute and you're trying to get to 130

[23:21] Jacob: Because and we can go into music theory and talk about you know trying to rotate the dance floor and all that but they come up they're like oh I want this song and it's a hot song right and it's

[23:32] Kelly: 70 beats per minute and it's like okay the energy is way up here and then they're being demanding and they're like but I want it right now and you don't want to tell them no because it's a good song and maybe I'll get to it you know and you tell them you know like yeah a great song I'm gonna get to it

[23:50] Jacob: Probably in about 45 minutes and they're like no I want to hear right now he refused to accept that and yeah like that they the fact that is an option for them to come up to the stage say I want this and we say I'm gonna try it's not right when you want it and for them to just walk away and say okay thanks it

[24:10] Brian: Seems to me that I'm getting more like no right I want it's a weird thing it is yes so as you're talking about BPM you your talk and I definitely wanna touch on that I want to describe to you know I think of

[24:20] Jacob: Listeners who enjoyed eating they enjoy what we do maybe they know anything about us but we don't know anything about teachings right you mentioned BPM beats per minute and even terminologies like that I wonder like unpack so that is something that when a DJ starts every single song has a BPM of beats per minute every song has a tempo every song has a key has all these dynamics that it's the DJ's job to wondering about prior to know about prior they have to take that song prior in if they're in a comfortable spot they already have all their cues laid out they know what they're gonna do with that song they know that song goes good with these other songs sometimes if they're familiar with if it's not brand new yes our Kelly that shared this oh my god

[25:09] Brian: [Laughter] it'd be funny if you were ranting like some BPM and all these things that

[25:24] Jacob: DJ's to you so if you guys can help me I

[25:27] Brian: Would love to without like whining about this is something that I'm concerned with it I'm gonna sound like I'm just like you got to understand when I'm trying to do back here you know how do

[25:36] Jacob: We explain the art of DJing of disk jockey of mixing music cuz it's not just about who can play the most bangers it's it's not just about the transitions it's not just about the taste it's about looking at like glancing around the room saying where's this gonna go in ten minutes of work what's gonna happen what time is it now what's it gonna look like in 45 minutes there's like you said beautifully is the chess game right in and I feel that the to me looking forward to the next few years the crowds if they continue to be so demanding and not understanding and not try to like let's just be where we're at let's try to control this thing let's just exist and let the DJ do what they want to do I fear that we're not gonna be able to play chess we're just gonna turn into wonderful solo Spotify stylish right so um yeah I don't know any experiences you guys have or anything you could think of that's like explains the part there so the phrase that I always think in the back of my mind that a successful DJ is someone

[26:40] Brian: Who plays the right song exactly the

[26:42] Jacob: Right time that's if I have a night like that and I have like five or six points in the night where people just freak out mm-hm you've played the right song and not freaked out just because I played you know the top 100 is right like

[27:01] Brian: People forget about a song and you play it at the right time like oh my god you know in the and the dancefloor just goes and they're just having the time of their life and you carry that for like five or six songs right like oh my god I mean that for me as the DJ is where it's at is playing the right song at the

[27:19] Kelly: Right time because you can play all the bangers at 9:00 p. m. and that's the wrong time mm-hmm that's what everybody requests and that's what they want them it's weird yeah I want to say like even even though I going right off the bat they're just that Einstein guy that DJ

[27:34] Jacob: Einstein watching him kind of paint the

[27:37] Kelly: Room was so cool and I guess that's that's I think that to me is what it's

[27:43] Jacob: About like it's you're right you can definitely play all the bangers you can even play stuff no one's even heard of and in your mind it's like oh yeah this is gonna go off okay but it doesn't and you're like what's going on because some people dude all right a DJ is kinda like food man what we're like chefs in a way like sometimes all you want some greasy hamburger yeah man that's cupid

[28:07] Kelly: Shuffle is the basic aim my favorite when I play locally cuz that's the first thing that come up in requests you can play cupid shuffle tonight like you know what tonight's gonna be special we're not gonna play cupid shuffle oh and you see the look in their face they're like I've been here in the cupid shuffle every single week for the last three weeks you know for the last three years made yeah that's true okay can I get fold can I confess something real quick that's it oh my gosh Brian you're gonna pay me for this so we all want an agreement that keep it shuffle is just the bane of our existence right it is so I got evil one day I got really evil cuz

[28:49] Jacob: You cupid shuffle it just repeats itself right so what I did I called it I called it the stupid shuffle and it's ten minutes long and it's this it's like the same like over and over so people like to dance to the song that kind of line danced it so 10 minutes long yeah you put it people out there for six minutes and they're just like when's it gonna end I'm like you know

[29:16] Brian: What's so hilarious is man it's so crazy you just mentioned that because I have an 8 minute and six seconds I think it's cha-cha slide yes that I actually did the other day I was like I gotta go to the bathroom my friends here I'm gonna say hi to him really quick so I was like this is perfect I got like four minutes that I can be away and so I was walking around and I was literally thinking at the end of it they were so enticed at seven minutes the exact same amount of enticement that was at one minute and so I was like I could play this exact same song and these I still go into the left back to back just mix into

[29:48] Jacob: It yeah alright so that's a great thing to even just lean on so the reason why you know we're poking fun because it's our job right the cha-cha slide the shuffle I'll still play for me it's yeah by Usher that's like always the one that I always joke about that song I hoped it just burns if I ever invited invent a time machine I'm gonna skip over cha-cha slide to keep it shuffle and just delete that like uh sir but no you know not ya know but uh so when we say things like it's a lot of people like I know you hate requests Jake or I know DJ's hate requests some people kind of get that it is a request but they know that sentence right and they know that like they also come up and they say hey we play the cupid shuffle like nobody's dancing row they're like it's gonna get everyone try to tell you like they try to like bro trust me with this thing that the credit person so how do we communicate how do

[30:45] Brian: We explain to them why we don't like this is a broad example but why we don't

[30:51] Jacob: Really like requests and why we don't super love the line dances for me it's because I can't do anything with it's just hitting play but what about for you guys what's that I you know I'm you guys might shoot me but I think it's anything there's two sides to the coin if I go into a new market okay so like

[31:09] Kelly: When I first started going to bend and I didn't know the market at all right and so I'm out there and I'm doing my deal and you know trying to impress people and people would come up and they would request stuff and so if you don't know the market like if you're traveling you're doing a Northwest circuit or whatever right people that are coming up to you and they're like you know I want this trick or want it you're like okay I need to probably go in that direction so it gives you a clue of okay this is the type of hip-hop this is the energy level hip-hop that I need to be playing or a top 40 you know because that's the type that they're requesting so there are some good and bad things with it but the whole you know I want to hear

[31:49] Jacob: This song it's 10 p. m.

[31:51] Kelly: There's nobody here it's number one song in the US whatever it is right they want to hear it right then you know and a lot of people consumers maybe don't understand as DJ's we definitely don't want to say no but there are a gazillion songs out there and for us to repeat a

[32:12] Jacob: Song in a night is ridiculous with the amount with the amount of songs that are out there and the hits that have been out there over the past 20 years it doesn't I mean there's so many other songs that you can play besides two songs in the same night so it makes it challenging I mean I personally don't like requests it depends if I'm having a specialty night you know if we're doing an EDM only night and they'll come up in the request and Drake and I'm like you know the last 15 minutes you've heard has just been straight house you really think that I'm gonna be playing Drake you know or it's billed that way I mean that's one of the reasons why I started doing my own nights you know is to throw my own party and say this is what the music is so when they walk in the expectation but yeah I have kind of a love-hate relationship with requests I mean going back to the

[33:07] Kelly: Whole cheeseburger and a steak kind of

[33:10] Jacob: Thing I mean some people like stick some

[33:13] Kelly: Some people want a cheeseburger like you know that shows one cheeseburger every night yeah so even like even if you have like the hottest records in your mind if you go through your DJ pool if you follow some of the hottest you know

[33:28] Jacob: Playlists on Spotify - you can you can in your mind in my mind you can sit there and you can go okay these are gonna bang out like these are gonna be really popping up wherever

[33:42] Kelly: You're playing you know and people will still come up to and be like what is this I look at you like you're an alien like hey man can you play like strictly from like 2000 to 2010 like that era of like club music they never even tell you that much info though what I love to do is tell you that they don't like what you're doing and they're doing what would you like for me to play and writing something - uh something good write something different something good something you can dance to like . hold on every song for the most part has rhythm and you can dance to it so let's not use that as a criteria for the genre of music that you want me to play western music is well i've said to

[34:24] Jacob: People I can't teach you rhythm what

[34:27] Brian: Would you like I have literally said that multiple times in of course they don't understand it but so you and you were saying you with request you don't you know mind them but yeah I mean it does is you were talking about the paintbrush thing and that's that is very beautiful Kelly but like I think that sometimes the requests kind of like rip the paintbrush out of our hand and they're like here's your sharpie just draw what I want right yeah and we can't not only have you just like

[34:53] Jacob: Thrown this big old like mud clot into our clear water of what we're trying to like show you here we also just have the

[35:02] Brian: Next 20 minutes to try to recover from what you may have just like really want us to play right now and in but so here's another thing and this is somebody I definitely won't touch on and this will be really good to talk with you with you about Ryan because I was

[35:14] Jacob: Thinking about I've been very just trying to turn to take my whole life that you know like trying like why did I get into DJing why did I what am i doing now what's gonna happen just like when I

[35:26] Brian: First started and it was electronic music for sure like I wasn't against anything else but I was just so hooked by electronic music I did I had blinders on for any other music guy super loved hip-hop always I would listen to it stuff but I didn't want to DJ I'm just gonna like do the electronic thing and what I had done at the beginning was like I took my I mean I'm even just gonna say like a little bit of high school popularity I'm gonna say that and then I and then I sort of thrown parties and started like book in the homies and then so we have like these huge outdoor if we don't know if we told you about these like these outdoor renegade yes kill and I've chatted about it multiple yeah I mean we'd have like a few hundred people like are upwards ones we're like drop the address the day of and we have

[36:09] Brian: Like 500 people out there or am like these are totally illegal and terrible but this was years ago but so what it was is these are my you know my parties to me I have all the boys with me like I give myself the headlining slot I play sure I want people love me of course because I just put myself in the golden spot right but then I started

[36:27] Kelly: Like okay well this is taking up a crazy moment I'm gonna start making some money for it I started getting like we played my Barbie play at the club started playing clubs in Seattle and we did a couple events in Vancouver Portland um but it's funny because what I started with this thing is I can play whatever I want I'm DJ Chronos people love

[36:47] Brian: What I play and they did and they let's do it my online presence met the same thing my people came to my shows they listened to those same mixes later I loved it started doing more bar gigs and start realizing that like Jake rinds isn't super popular everywhere Jake Cronus isn't super popular everywhere you have people in this bar that I'm playing for don't give a about what I'm playing and what I'm doing with my fingers and how cool it is that I'm actually writing songs and then it's like it was this weird thing where I was like oh man I got momentum in this direction I didn't realize where I was putting myself yeah and so all of a sudden I'm like this confident playing for 500 people who love me right and then I'm in a bar at 10 p. m. and an old guy is just like screaming at me with his finger in my face because I didn't play Johnny Cash or some

[37:30] Jacob: Right and so it's just huge dynamic right so we see DJing disc jockey DJing like it's the most broad

[37:38] Brian: Terminology ever but like we kind of not only get confused ourselves I think but like the audience gets confused like they don't know the difference between the guy that hired out their wedding and Skrillex right they have no idea and I think like what I was saying there with that example of me like you know I was like the cool guy the headliner the like I have this sound I was more of an artist and less of a worker you kind of get into these environments where you're playing at a bar you're playing in a club and you want to be kind of your own artist you want to be an individual you want to show these people like hey I don't know how to explain it to you in words but like I know things about music I can show you a story in this musical journey tonight if you - let me right but that doesn't cross well with giving people what they want when you're hired for a gig so well I think that I think

[38:26] Jacob: One of the terms that I've that I've tried to live by two is two for you and one for me and so when you're mixing you

[38:37] Brian: Know when you're playing the songs so you just you're not losing your total integrity because I mean you got a gig you know if you're gigging and you're like okay I got to do this you know two or three times a month you know how to be able to have supplement income or to be able to just feel whole whatever it is you just don't want to be a soulless jukebox like you just don't want to show up and play the top 20 songs and just call it a day and collect your check and I don't think anybody has ever got into DJing to be able to do that so I think

[39:05] Jacob: That the one there's two ways that I've

[39:08] Brian: Kind of been coming back into DJing

[39:11] Jacob: Because any time that you leave for an

[39:13] Kelly: Extended period of time I call it the itch you get the itch right you're like you're like I don't you know what I need to take a break this isn't for me you know I don't I want to go explore other areas whatever it might be life family artistry right and you'll get down the road you'll be like okay I got to go do this again because this is who I am so for me getting back into it you know I'm I'll be 41 in April I mean I'm

[39:37] Jacob: I'm very much a veteran of doing this I'm not a young buck and I still get it I'm like I want to go

[39:47] Kelly: DJ tonight you know and so what I've done is now that I'm older I have to absolutely be selective and so when I go out and do a gig so if I'm heading over to Bend like in February it'll be a two for you one for me meaning two for the crowd one for me or how do I find a unique remix for this

[40:05] Jacob: Song that isn't too far out there like it the integrity of the song still gets played and people recognize and they can still sing along and say oh this song right and so recognized enough but then the flip side is then is like what you're talking about you through events that people knew what they were getting when they showed up right and so you can put yourself the center of attention and be able to play what you want to play so there's definitely two sides you know keeping your integrity with the to free them one for you but then you just you just do a night you

[40:38] Kelly: Know and I've been to listen to a lot of podcasts with older DJ's that's what they were starting to get back into rather than doing this you know playing the hottest clubs type stuff they go back to their home city and they mean big cities like Seattle in San Francisco and LA and they start doing their own nights they're like ok I want to be a

[40:55] Jacob: Creator of music right and I want to deliver it to people that are interested in that and so they start doing their own nights to be able to do that rather than ok I gotta do four gigs this month and you know I gotta do them at these bars that you got guy in the corner yelling at playing Johnny Cash right so for the record I love Johnny Cash but oh yeah Johnny Cash is great it just doesn't mix that well with Skrillex right it does no it does you just have

[41:20] Kelly: To try our des no that is super interesting I really like that perspective because I guess that is kind of what I at the beginning same thing as I started I was like I want to do this town we're in the small town where we're at probably heard a million times you listen to podcast but we're currently in Castle Rock and we're talking about the towns of Kelso Longview area anyway which is where a little bit a little bit more hour north of Portland and you know two hours south of Seattle so we have this small-town dichotomy um but it's weird right like it's

[41:59] Jacob: It's interesting like you guys have played Seattle Portland it's like just some extent like it's weird having the small town right next to the to the

[42:08] Kelly: Big town but it is cool being like

[42:12] Jacob: Finding your own lane and like digging it in and like okay like there's some people here who like this but like let's like find really who they are right so you can kind of put yourself on this so I any like listeners and young listeners and young DJ's and young artists musicians put your cell phone put yourself on dude like if you want to start throwing parties start getting your homies together and in pull like what do you have you have a light cool my other friend has a green light we'll get your blue light we'll put those behind us go do that two lights right you got any friends and speakers my aunt has a speaker right get it together pool together that's what we did and we am I mean you know try to get some legal stuff going on your end don't do everything illegally in the woods but yeah throw in your

[42:52] Kelly: Own nights we're actually that's something that we're all doing we're all kind of older and we all have our gigs here and there we all DJ in like different ways I have my more audio engineering Kelly's still always in school he's always like it constantly Michael I became more of a wedding DJ

[43:09] Jacob: Yeah right yeah I think just

[43:12] Brian: Yeah putting yourself on do you want to talk about wedding DJ and Kelly do you want to like go in the contrast between that because that's something that I think should be explained what's the big contrast there Oh wedding DJing is way much different than bar DJing

[43:26] Jacob: Or even DJing as yourself

[43:31] Brian: What wedding DJing is kind of one of

[43:33] Jacob: Those things where you go into and

[43:37] Brian: You're trying to make these people's day like you're the like one of the most integral parts of that person's wedding so you're there with it's you're there

[43:47] Jacob: With their family and it's you know you

[43:51] Brian: You play very PG music and it's not

[43:55] Jacob: Heavy mixing it's more of just playing

[43:59] Brian: What these people know and it's not heavy mixing like I said I don't want to mix it they just they want the full song right what makes anything like not in between two songs not mashing yeah you're not mashing you're not you're not really doing much of that you're just trying to set a mood and trying to keep the wedding party moving that's what I think weddings are really are and yes it is about the music but it's more of creating that time for them sort of so well there's a I think there's a different level of I'm not gonna say

[44:38] Jacob: Professionalism but there's a

[44:41] Brian: Different amount of stress I mean I honestly haven't done a wedding in 10 years I purposely I get asked all the time it's funny I'm you know be a nightclub and people are just going nuts and you know playing all these remixes and they're having the time of their life right and they're like oh I got a wedding come up I want this guy right and they'll come up to me I'm like you don't want me at your wedding because it's gonna be like this and you'll be dancing but your family's not gonna be

[45:05] Jacob: Into it your buddy will hate but

[45:10] Brian: When I was doing when I was gigging with weddings regularly its or corporate events special events class reunions parties you know it's stressful because like weddings it's one of the most important days of their life and you

[45:24] Jacob: Know a speaker goes out or you're late

[45:27] Brian: Or you don't play the right type of

[45:30] Jacob: Music I've had instances where you know you guys might laugh but you know baby got back right so sir mix-a-lot which is a classic hip-hop you know even ten years ago it was classic right and so

[45:43] Brian: Wedding party will come up we want to hear this song and we're like all right that's safe right that's a safe song

[45:48] Jacob: Right and you play it and then the mom

[45:51] Brian: And dad that are paying for the wedding come up to you know where you're DJing and they're like what are you playing why are you playing this and the dance Horse packed and the wedding reception is just having a great time right and so it's that it's that weird that weird dynamic of appeasing the person that's paying you so traditionally it's been you know mom dad with the bride right um - the bride

[46:15] Jacob: And the groom who are honestly stressed

[46:18] Brian: Out most important day of their life they've been building up to this moment and they want to have a good time they don't want to think about what songs play there's one dance to be over here right and so it's definitely a different

[46:30] Jacob: Stress level than playing like you know

[46:33] Brian: A nightclub gig yeah it's do this is

[46:36] Jacob: Huge it's for me I'm I mean I've

[46:40] Brian: Recently stepped out of weddings it's what I actually they're there emotionally I'm very like it's hard for me to like I pick up on a lot of emotions like that no I you know when it's in the same way any of us do I'm sure but so if it's like if I mess this up this is not just like oh man they're not gonna want to hire me and they're not gonna recommend me they're not gonna but when I'm thinking like if I mess this up I'm gonna ruin this woman's wedding it's the most important day of her life I'm breading her whole like I'm putting these people their most important day in their life on my shoulders right honestly I bet you that you guys do the same thing in certain ways too yeah oh it's something that is super huge in and I think that like a lot of like the drunk uncles that weddings are very unforgiving like they're very again

[47:25] Brian: I'm particularly a sensitive dude I can usually take some banter but sometimes man when I'm thinking so in depth about not ruining this woman's wedding and trying to do the absolute best that I can like I'm just a thin piece of glass and I don't realize I've had weddings where I'm just like I'm so good I'm like okay things are going so well and I'm like some drunk uncle comes up and he just so mean to me that I'm just like on the verge of tears afterwards yeah oh man I'm like man I didn't realize how much I had on my shoulders but it just started to crack so um but yeah so like so I've stepped out of weddings not that it's like just because people are super mean and I'm super sensitive this is just because I as far as enjoyment and

[48:04] Kelly: What I want to be doing I've just been able to like make my money with my audio engineering stuff but I mean weddings can be fun okay they can be a blob I think it's totally like super fun right and if you can get that vibe going you know and if you're going from you know Beatles twist and shout and everybody is just going nuts on the dance floor I mean it's a totally different energy level than you know a

[48:27] Brian: Nightclub gig unless there are dry wedding dry weddings suck I mean I've never successfully done dry wedding I have not um oh wait I have performed obviously provides services the dry wedding but it was everybody sitting eating dinner and then you're just trying to hit the bangers yeah and nobody's dancing know what to do it wasn't the one that I did was not bad I only did one it was honestly good like after the at the end of night there like that was amazing right it's wonderful

[48:54] Jacob: I'm like nobody on the floor right you

[48:58] Brian: Know what's funny is I was kind of comparing it's like how weddings typically go though honestly at the end I just felt bad I was like I wish that I didn't like I'm not willing to do this because I just have my one flat rate cuz I have to do it that way it's so much but I was like I wish I didn't charge you this much because I feel like what what you got wasn't like I give people so much more for the same price you know you don't want to know yeah

[49:19] Jacob: Yeah I was super apprehensive about

[49:22] Brian: Doing what it's not first like people would always ask me they'd go do you do weddings and I'd be like oh man like yes I have done weddings and it's just it is a lot of stress the I think the hardest part about weddings is the processional like the down and back is like the most nerve-wracking thing I think I remember it was like 9:00 like 95 out and I just

[49:50] Jacob: Remember Oh Jordan coming up to me he's like dude are you okay and I did a I did a double set up which is your you do set

[50:02] Brian: Of speakers out by like the altar and then you'll have like another set of speakers like where'd all the dancing is going yeah the reception really hard to do by yourself and I'm just I'm just there just sweating bullets cuz a I'm nervous I don't want to I don't want to mess this up and be it's just super hot out so as soon as we got through to the processional it's like I could kind of take a brat path who like we're through that like now the fun part begins and yeah like just what and like what you saying you have those drunk uncles who come up I had a remember some guy came up to me wanted Van Halen's eruption I'm just going through like the normal wedding stuff right interruptions like this like three long guitar solo by Eddie Van Halen and it's a great so I mean I love that song but it's like not wedding appropriate it's like and so finally I

[51:01] Jacob: Caved and I was just like alright I'll

[51:03] Brian: Play it and it's just this ridiculously

[51:06] Jacob: Awesome guitar so and yeah so I played it and I'm like okay we can move on from that and he comes back like five minutes

[51:15] Brian: Later played again no I never also so like I've also been at the mercy of a five-year-old once to where that'll get you to yeah I think they give the kids the power they take it yeah I've and here's the thing when I get hired for weddings you're hiring me

[51:38] Jacob: To basically curate this thing like it's it's not gonna be one of those things where I want someone like because people

[51:46] Brian: Think that people think that if they go up to the bride and they convinced the bride hey bride play this song because the DJ is not playing it which is a terrible thing to do there's other

[52:00] Jacob: Things that the brightest worrying about like I don't know the absurdity of how often that happens I'm pretty surprised don't know if that happens often around you guys but people have like if I've said no they have gone to the bride or groom what do you write an eight-year-old also does that like you won't play my song right yeah so this kid he wanted like Five Finger Death Punch and I'm just like no we're not playing ha no and he goes and gets his dad and his dad comes up to me he's like hey can you play this song I'm like no he's like well I'm gonna go tell the bride

[52:36] Brian: I'm just like please don't do that and he went and got the bride and the bride came over and she's hammered and so

[52:44] Jacob: She's just inebriated already and she goes hey can you play the song I'm just like I'm not the mercy of an eight-year-old who has terrible I

[52:56] Brian: Shouldn't say that who doesn't understand like this is a well an eight-year-old should not have that much power of course the and he's 8 years old right he doesn't have that power he also shouldnt have a driver's license that's why we're safe on the road right gosh like could you imagine if you still listen to the music you did when you're 8 know what I listen

[53:14] Kelly: To when I was 8 I was listening to like biggie smalls I mean I guess no not all of us were that cool but yeah I would get into like I you know I at 8 I was very sheltered so I was listening to like the Commodores like 60s and 70s

[53:31] Jacob: Music R&B black jazz that's the type of music that my folks listen to and so that's what I grew up on you know so at

[53:41] Kelly: Eight gosh that would have been me know early 90s so and then you know my mom my dad kind of got stuck in the 60s or 70s so you know when you're talking about DJing diverge a little bit so the you know you have the sphere your musical your musical influence year so age 16 whatever you're listening to when you're 16 if that song or that group of

[54:07] Brian: Music ever comes on in a bar or nightclub you will you will fan boy or girl out like oh my gosh immer and so

[54:15] Jacob: You know for me I didn't really have that it was all I was always listening to like I said 60s and 70s R&B rock that

[54:23] Brian: Kind of stuff so it's interesting you

[54:26] Kelly: Get in those mixing moments and you look out in the crowd you like okay if I want to hit home with some of these people and you're like okay you know what were they listening to when they were 16 if they're 26 so that's 10 years ago you know so you do all that type of you know

[54:40] Jacob: Thought process on it but yeah I don't

[54:43] Brian: Know why an eight-year-old would be doing heavy metal at a wedding and the crummy thing is that as soon as you play that then the entire mood that you've

[54:52] Jacob: Set for the entire night is now destroyed which is great when you are trying to reset it right like right sometimes you could just throw it like you know like out of nowhere you just throw some song that we can sing out loud even right even if it's a slow song right reset it but when that happens when it's like just song that's completely out so jarring yeah and people know what to do and it's funny because we you know the squeakiest wheel gets the right that's what it always is with I mean really everything but the person that always comes up it's hard for me anyway for a lot of us because it's hard to tell them like

[55:28] Brian: Hey you're not everyone right like what you're saying right like cool like I like I cool man like I trust okay I believe you that this is gonna fill the dancefloor but it's also my job and I've been doing it for a very long time so I think I know more than you right in like what you can't say that you of course you can't say that to the person that's coming up - what weddings are different Reid - like yeah oh so I'm gonna try and be Jake for a bit here

[55:50] Jacob: Okay reading a crowd is kind of looking around the room seeing if people are vibing out - what you're playing so

[56:01] Brian: Reading a wedding is a little bit different because you know you have your it's it weddings are more have a timeline whereas like a bar doesn't when

[56:12] Jacob: You're not we're gonna do toast we're gonna do dinner we're gonna do first dance you're not hosting the event

[56:19] Brian: Right yeah at a wedding you're hosting the event you are the timeline you're controlling it right so you're not gonna just play some crazy stuff during dinner you're like you're gonna wanna you want dinner music and ease into it you want yeah just and then as kind as the night progresses you know we're still PG but I love it when there's weddings where it's like you kind of look around and you're like okay all the old people and kids gone right and then it's like okay try it turn it turn it into club turn this place into a club right yeah well I and I and I think some of the challenges you have like when you play a reset song right if you want to call it that or a request that's been demanded by to the wedding party now they've come over to you the challenging part and you can run into this in the nightclubs too is you play that song and it breaks the

[57:09] Jacob: Mood and awesome somebody has to make a

[57:12] Brian: Decision do I want to stay or don't want to go so at a wedding you've built this entire vibe right and the wedding party's having a great time they're out there dancing and then basically you get demanded to play this song you play it and now like oh hey look it's getting late and oh you know all we've had a little bit too much drink so it can actually destroy the party at that point and same thing in a club night you like if you get demanded you're like okay I'm way up here the energy-wise and you and you play this hip-hop song right that nobody knows because they demand it off their phone people it breaks their mood and then also they're saying you know what hey let's go maybe we go find someplace else yeah they weren't even gonna say that right they're enjoying it they're having a good time you know you as the DJ they're making you're making money for the bar you've created this atmosphere and then also and you got to play this one song or you make a mistake and you play the wrong song and then it breaks the vibe and

[58:13] Jacob: Then and then people basically pull up and they're like alright well let's you know let's go to this bar let's you know we're done for the night or whatever yeah it kind of flips that switch and it makes them start like going down that right yeah it's kind of

[58:28] Brian: Strange um so the world of today DJing I think of like you know like 16 you know young kids 16 year olds you know 21 like anybody listening who's like alright we've got some old cats with like let's listen to this podcast and see if we can like learn something

[58:47] Jacob: Right nowadays dude it's so it's so

[58:52] Kelly: Crazy different like whether you're going to be like a wedding DJ whether you're gonna like you want to play EDM whether you want to be a producer like knowing what lane you're

[59:00] Brian: Going into I think is really important that's something that caught me off guard that I didn't realize was like I started building a mobile DJ business and I didn't want to be a mobile DJ no that was years into it and I'm like oh I don't I don't want to be up till 4:00 a. m. right I every night I don't want to like carry all my stuff to to this gig every Saturday you know in I'm not saying these are bad things like these are still things that I do very much I still this is how I make money you know but it's when I started realizing like oh I kind of cornered myself just like letting the opportunities kind of ride me into the field Manila too so I think writing opportunities is important but

[59:41] Jacob: I think when you when you don't know much when you're starting from like zero point as a DJ I think knowing the

[59:49] Brian: Difference between producing DJing between wedding DJing between club DJing between knowing what the words open format means right all these things so

[1:00:00] Jacob: Someone who just loves music and we've all had them throughout our life they're like man I would love to teach a write we have so many people who are they think that they can't they're like I don't know anything you know whatever right like we're always I can guarantee you we're like dude do it that's so cool right and I show you I'm over it like we're like yeah so what do you guys think like the starting point what would you say anybody's want to get into it well I think it goes from what you said was that you have to love music first oh yeah and you have to and honestly I mean you don't have to love like every single genre but you have to be a lover of music and I think it

[1:00:36] Brian: Doesn't matter which lane you pick out whether or not it's mobile or wedding or nightclub or straight genre nightclub meaning you know you're a hip-hop night club DJ or you're EDM night club DJ you just have to love music and be or build or appreciate it like oh I like that sound you know or be able to recognize you know I don't know I mean one thing that I that I wish that I would have got more into and hopefully you know I can make time to is producing because I love I love music that sonically complex but at the same time can be simple and so it you know I don't like all hip-hop but I enjoy listening to hip-hop because I can pick out different pieces I'm like oh that's cool that's cool right I would say even to my former self or even to a young producer it doesn't happen all at once like you're gonna suck first for a long time I sucked for 15 years I'm just gonna be honest I thought I was I thought I was good whether that's like

[1:01:44] Jacob: DJing or producing like you're gonna go through that phase where you're just gonna suck like the music you make just is terrible like you're trans are terrible who like music selections

[1:01:57] Brian: Terrible selections right but Brian yeah you're right you have to be a lover of music and it has to be something you do

[1:02:05] Jacob: It's like even from the podcasts about Spencer like he was like you have to do it like uh-huh you can't you can't just be like oh I'm gonna I want to lift weights so I'm gonna go to gym once yeah I know look at him I'm gonna talk about I meet everybody about him but I'm not getting ready because I haven't touched him yet but look at that i'ma look at ya

[1:02:27] Brian: So I mean it's with anything it's

[1:02:30] Kelly: Shooting basketballs it's doing math problems you have to do it you have to put that work in and it's sitting in your bedroom for hours really I'm pretty sure I

[1:02:40] Jacob: Like annoyed the crap out of my roommates up in Bellingham just playing like all the time the hours and hours and days and days you probably just wear it headphones because and it's so enthralling and that's the thing is you know if you're like oh I want to be a DJ but if these things don't spark you I'm not saying there's a certain amount of hours that you need in but like just follow that intuition man if you do have a drive to not hang out with a bunch of people but you actually just want to be by yourself and make some music and you want to mix some stuff and that's more exciting man follow that's right oh that's so okay I think that like just loving music just like you said is the perfect that's how you get into it that's like as much as

[1:03:21] Brian: Again bringing back the gatekeeper thing as much as you're like I don't think that like I just like music I don't even know what I don't even know what a C minor is whatever right well I've been DJing and I've now made an audio engineer degree out of it I've 91 junior degree I travel the freaking u. s. like making money and I enjoy it and I have like really cool friends who I could talk about DJing with on might not get like knowing how these microphones work started from me saying oh what music I think cascade is cool yeah you know right like so I think just starting with I love this and then just working at it just put some headphones in and just get to work and like in afterwards afterwards once you kind of start getting better mm-hmm that's when it gets fun mm-hmm like when you're ready to I mean you know I Brian do you get butterflies before you go on a show every single time you type every time it doesn't make sure it doesn't yeah it doesn't matter and it's not butterflies like oh I'm gonna do a bad job it's important to you so you know you have to love music yeah and it

[1:04:21] Brian: Has to be important to you if you just want to you know show up and I'm not picking on you but because I've done it too but be the headliner and you know and have eyes on you and not put any work like just pick the top ten beep

[1:04:34] Jacob: Port songs and play them in Miravalle oh my gosh is great it might not be for you cuz you're gonna get burned out real quick mm-hmm because people gonna move on you know or it's gonna get old you know you talk about all the different things that DJing has done for you know for me it got me into IT technology

[1:04:56] Brian: IT technologies and getting to where I'm

[1:04:59] Jacob: At with my career and doing some really cool complex things with computers and

[1:05:04] Brian: And all that all the intricate like

[1:05:07] Jacob: Installing stuff that you do yeah I'm so crazy but I mean that started from you saying I like music yeah I like music I can do it better than them this guy that's doing do you guys think that like cuz that is super cool if you think about like the ultimate like creation

[1:05:23] Brian: Entreprenuer like it's like you don't even so DJing I feel like you could really start it's you know guitar playing you're like I love music I'm gonna tar it'sit's quite a while before you like I mean you're just like make

[1:05:35] Kelly: Something like you hate everything that comes out of your fingers phrenic seven months with those are like we do Jing I feel like you can really get you know I'm within the first couple days for me I was like dude that was so cool I want to call my friends and tell them and joke you know so it is cool like just getting it just start mixing a couple songs there's all these cheap mixers nowadays right yeah well and that's the cool thing with I mean it's good about so you know as an old dog veteran all these people now are DJing right and like everybody's a DJ that was you know from like 2010 to 2015 everybody was a DJ and the price of

[1:06:10] Jacob: Entry is so much cheaper you know you

[1:06:13] Kelly: Can go get a hundred dollar controller you know with a cheap computer that you find off of Craigslist and you know a downloaded library or Spotify or whatever it is right and you know the old dog in me is like well they haven't put in the dues right you know I haven't packed like two milk crates full records and you know that I didn't have to spend seven or fifty bucks um they haven't slept in their car well yeah whatever it is right you know we're playing a gig for 50 bucks and a bar tab you know they haven't like put their dues in but the same time it's exciting for me because it's like anybody that comes up to me like hey I'm gonna learn how it's DJ hey here's what you do go by this hundred dollar controller right like if it's not for them it's okay they

[1:06:56] Brian: Haven't like put a bunch of money into it and have it be like oh I spent all this money and people are you know I'm not into it and so it's really it's actually pretty exciting that everybody has the accessibility to be able to do what 25 years ago me was a challenge to

[1:07:13] Jacob: Get into so it's cool because when you find something that you love you want everybody to like go along with it right like have you heard this or have you listened this or have you seen this or every diamond I don't think you this is really cool right and you know so it's exciting for me

[1:07:31] Brian: To have everybody and their brother be able to like my kids you know I'm like said I'm older so I got you know a ten a nine year old for them to be able to not play with dad's equipment cuz I have expensive equipment that $100 mixer and like go mix go figure out what you like I'll go buy whatever music you want to be able to listen to you right and they aren't quite there yet but I'm hoping that they will be so it's cool for me to be able to like I said see all of these people that want to get into it have the opportunity to that's a big

[1:08:07] Jacob: Part of my core is opportunity for

[1:08:09] Brian: People to be able to experience things that are awesome so I have no clue where else going with that but I think it's cool that you know a DJ starting

[1:08:21] Jacob: Out now has a lot more accessibility to the technologies to be able to build it into something that's way more and trust me when you start DJing you think that's all you want to do and that's cool and if you stick with that path there's nothing wrong with that right I mean there's perils with being a full-time DJ but you know we can talk about that and maybe another podcast but it's but it's you know if you're starting out and you and your DJ then that's great but there's so many different things that you can learn from DJing event

[1:08:59] Brian: Planning and marketing and promotions

[1:09:03] Kelly: And audio engineering and social like how to interact with people in stressful situations where you're sober and they're super intoxicated right or they're in crisis mode or whatever it is I mean there's so many things that you can learn being a DJ that you wouldn't think that had anything to do with teaching you know right yeah

[1:09:26] Jacob: Yeah that's it's crazy it's again it just opens up so many doors like it's cool to think I mean cuz I never even it's not like a lot of times we think we have to have our job title or a decision figured out before we even start it right we're like I'm choosing to be a DJ that's who I am now that's what I represent that's what I'm gonna do going forth but again you can just say I like music and just point out any of like these apps these little programs these whatever and just dink around I was thinking like even as a DJ we listen to music a lot differently than other people listen to music mm-hmm like even when we show up to other clubs like Jake and I went to tube a couple times tubes a club down in Portland that has

[1:10:09] Kelly: Phenomenal DJs there oh it's just and it's teeny tiny it's like it's like I think we did 50 people right and they got a hundred people and oh yeah the way that it's built in there like when it sounds right there when they have the sound tight to that there has been time was too loud but it sounds super tight in there those will sit there and we'll be like whoa did you just hear that did you hear what he just did and we'll just we'll just sit there and we're not nitpicking it we're just listening to it differently or I'll go to like 45 ease and I'll be like oh that's that collab with this person this person this right or I can hear this song coming in or I can yeah you know it's the cool thing that least in different DJ's here some people something that's it's totally cool to go to clubs and just have a good time right like me I it's a little bit of both it's like I want to see what their what

[1:11:07] Jacob: Their visuals are like you know how

[1:11:11] Kelly: They're mixing new stuff old stuff just

[1:11:16] Jacob: You know what's funny is something that

[1:11:19] Brian: I didn't know when I started was the can of whoop-ass I was opening up on my own brain for every event I would go to in the future oh yeah like I do realized that I would I would be judging all I thought I was just still gonna be able to go to all my favorite shows and just dancing around and have a good time but instead I'm just like over analyzing every single second everything it's like the second that you learned that a tree is a tree you can't look at it be like that's not drowning what that is alright yeah because once you know this information in with the music world you keep well and I and I interview you know we go back to being a chef for the night right so you know I part of being a nightclub industry early in my career you know front of house I'm waiting tables and doing all that right

[1:11:58] Jacob: So when as someone who's in the restaurant industry a chef or whatever you go to other restaurants and you're analyzing everything like oh it took too long for that food to get out or you know this flavor profile is weird right it's the same thing it doesn't matter if it's an EDM show doesn't matter if it's festival doesn't matter if it's concert I am constantly looking at everything and not judging it's like oh that's really cool or you know and trying to figure out how they did that or how they did this not even so much the artist piece of it but then you look at the artist piece you're like oh yeah this club you know in this VIP and I've only heard that a couple times you know or how they're mixing I mean my mixing style has changed greatly since I've dough headfirst into bass music into you

[1:12:44] Brian: Know dubstep and trap and mid-tempo and yeah and it's like okay double chops and it's you know all these different techniques that to me as a straight DJ you know meaning eight beats and mixing that's my style to see how they mix now

[1:13:03] Jacob: Is it's awesome to be able to go

[1:13:07] Brian: Experience that so yeah it's

[1:13:10] Jacob: Definitely frustrating for people that I take with me to events because they either like can you just shut up yeah like I don't care your route you're breaking the illusion okay it's funny because I would I go with friends who because there's a lot of people who are they love the intricacies that like I have tons of friends who don't know anything about DJing they kind of remain in that like everything you're saying though I love please telling me like because people would love to hear about that right and majority the part like I think if it's a girlfriend she doesn't hear any of that at all but uh like some of these guys when you're explaining it they're just like wow like that's what it takes to think that way and it's funny though but it's like it just unfolds that way you don't really try it's not like I'm not trying to over analyze the situation it's kind of how knowledge works you can't you know the thing with the tree you can't look at a book and not start reading you know what the word say right this is this really cool thing that I

[1:14:01] Jacob: Knew that there was music there and knew that there was like once you know how to read know or once you know like oh you hear that and that's this sound that's this key you unlock that's like a different language right so it's a different way of understanding the world but it's cool there's even before music there even before all the weird rules of music and how it works together like DJing us its own thing still it still writes desperately different um I

[1:14:27] Brian: Have noticed like so I was never a producer I didn't I don't have a music background I am growing up I skateboarded a lot and I listened to everything I loved like really likes you

[1:14:41] Jacob: Know punk rock rap everything I just had an obsessed with music I didn't know anything about I never should have quiet class anything so learning all this was

[1:14:50] Brian: Kind of weird I feel like I would kind of like dance around and like certain conversations where I'd be like I'm in front of people who are like nice good producers and they're saying things that I have no idea what the words are coming on their mouth because

[1:15:01] Kelly: I don't know I don't have the music background know trying to like keep up and it's kind of funny because we think DJing like okay so you know everything about music you know everything about audio engineering you are about live events you know everything about my sister like whatever they there's a lot of different compartmentalization when it comes to teaching so as I've been mommies like more recent years last year and a half I've been producing more I've been kind

[1:15:26] Jacob: Of like digging into my knowledge and seeing what happens like watching less tutorials doing more of like stop trying to plan it just like go on to go in front of the board and just like it's not cry into it for four hours and generally what comes out you know is hugely different process producing in creating music is a night

[1:15:47] Kelly: And day difference than DJing so can we

[1:15:51] Jacob: For the average consumer who doesn't

[1:15:53] Brian: Understand like I said the difference between wedding DJ can we like talk about the difference being like a producer and a DJ can we clear that up for sure yeah so producer is

[1:16:03] Jacob: Somebody who pretty much sits on

[1:16:08] Brian: Computer and you know they'll

[1:16:11] Jacob: Use a what's called a DAW a digital

[1:16:13] Brian: Audio workstation shop workspace a

[1:16:17] Jacob: Station or space works it's enough it's a doll and you might hear Jay karai talk

[1:16:25] Brian: About like certain ones like Elton free

[1:16:28] Jacob: Lips some people used reason a lot of

[1:16:31] Brian: People use logic and these are all different dots there's one's not better than the other I'd say Pro Tools is more for live more

[1:16:41] Jacob: Like live instruments and whereas like

[1:16:44] Brian: You know more DJ's are probably more

[1:16:47] Kelly: Like Ableton or logic he's got confusing

[1:16:50] Jacob: You said DJ's who like me are producers sorry it's a confusing thing so producing is like is like making the music right yes and engaging is it's funny because you we sound like we don't do anything when you say in the sense but producers make me as it can we play other people's music correct yes I don't know how to explain that to where but I don't sound like word but you can have a DJ that will remix a song right

[1:17:14] Kelly: So or they'll make an edit and so they'll rearrange different pieces of it and they're using the same tools that the producer is

[1:17:23] Jacob: So it you know producers they make the

[1:17:28] Kelly: Music and then they get into a

[1:17:31] Jacob: Point where they start getting asked to perform that music live you know whether or not they've pre-recorded the mp3 the file and they're doing what we do which is as a DJ just hitting play you know and mixing the song in so it's the the word DJ has been used interchangeably over the last ten years now because producers have rightfully so

[1:17:56] Kelly: In my opinion have come forward and they're like well we want to get paid for performing our music to just like a band you know and you know so you have like Calvin Harris Calvin Harris is a producer okay he produces his own music but he gets bucco buckos going to mega clubs in Vegas and around the world to actually play that music as well so you know producer and DJ are interchangeable in the fact I think one way meaning a producer can be a DJ but a

[1:18:34] Jacob: DJ in a traditional sense isn't a producer right yeah that's like I said like I've always made I've always made edits and that's the thing is like people like hey man you should make a remix of this song that's like I've gotten that sentence yeah because people think that you're cool they've experienced like I don't know anything about this stuff but I know that when I heard you play it was super cool dad right I'm right and I like this song and I think that if you did it in your style it would sound cool so they know that but you know and I make edits to where you know you mash up different things you have different samples and you know mashing up is even just you take more than one song or the elements of a strong instrumental in an acapella and combine them together in your own way yeah good I would say like there are producers out there that you would even know is are is them on a different track like it would be like a oh who's a

[1:19:28] Kelly: Popular female singer

[1:19:32] Jacob: Dual Eva yeah do live like you'd think that like oh like she has just some person in the background who makes her all her music well turns out like nine times out of ten like it might be Diplo or it might be cashmere cat right yeah and these are like big DJ's that people have heard right names but you would never know it's them and it's like whoa is that cashmere cat what's going on

[1:19:56] Kelly: Or even like Cali was I think there

[1:20:03] Jacob: Was when a Black Panther came out there

[1:20:08] Kelly: Was like the guys who were making the

[1:20:10] Jacob: The soundtrack to or the theme music to Black Panther they actually used a Callie like bass head yeah it's so cool they would they it just they were shown in the interview and Callie always you know Marx's you know Callie snare you Callie this alright whatever it is and so there it is he goes holy crap like my kick drum I made is actually in

[1:20:37] Kelly: In the black feather wait can you back up a little bit the kick drum he made can you explain that a little bit so that's a producing side he collie as a producer he produced so when he makes a kicked run he has these sub programs let's say within the DA

[1:20:51] Jacob: Within a digital audio workstation and you can have their synthesizers there's all these crazy when the listener if you've seen you know all these crazy knobs there's now the same thing they do all those same things but it's on your computer it's digital you know so when he says he makes his own sagar his own kick it's like he's like making these frequencies and combining you know modulators and all these effects different whatever to make a sound so he's saying he put out there he's like hey here's my kick and it sounds like you've ever it is and then

[1:21:20] Kelly: Other people downloaded that right in

[1:21:23] Jacob: Their house Amma right and they and they put it in they dragged and dropped it and they put it into their beat pad and they made a song and that song ended up a Black Panther so that's what you're saying like that's so crazy right yeah and so that's what like I think when the average consumer hears producer or DJ they don't really understand how complex it is and I think that what should have happened is so fast but we need different terminology I think is what should have happened here as it is confusing as right but yeah I think like getting

[1:21:52] Brian: To know the difference between DJ and producer a lot of times like me for example I've been a DJ it's gonna be getting more few did forever but now that I'm producing my own music I have a plan I'm starting to do like some more MIDI stuff in my live sets I have a plan of like bringing in vocalists for stuff that I arrive ok I write like the instrumentals of dink around on the piano keys and then I'll write the lyrics but I'm gonna release a song with

[1:22:17] Jacob: Someone else singing it but it's I wrote it I wrote the instrumental but I don't particularly think that my voice is gonna make this long it's great right B and you're doing the arrangement with the overall track right yeah and so in so looking forward in the future it's gonna be again the same confusing loop right it's like I am a DJ I'm known as this or whatever but this is my producing also it's not me it's someone else he me it's right this confusing DICOM well I made a good example so nitty-gritty ok nitty-gritty he's famous right now for doing these tic toc videos where he just walks around and like he gets different sounds right he did Walgreens one which was hilarious he's walking through Walgreens and he picks up like a little plastic guitar and goes ding and he's recording all the sounds right and then he and then he puts in but a lot of people don't realize that so bad bunny right bad bunny had 200 mile-per-hour which was actually co-produced with Diplo as well and so

[1:23:06] Brian: Nitty-gritty actually has a Latin Grammy

[1:23:10] Jacob: Because that song won a Grammy and he's

[1:23:15] Brian: He made some of the instruments and then Diplo put his name on it but Diplo and nitty-gritty didn't sing it's a bad bunny song right and so it's amazing to have like all of these like if you if you look at sicko mode there's

[1:23:32] Jacob: Like 30 or 35 people that are credited on it I'm so glad you brought that I don't know if it's 35 I have to look at the Wikipedia yeah it's a ton it's it's crazy so I was reading an article on yeah look it up Kelly but it's so that song is so sampled that there's yeah I got pulled off YouTube as long as

[1:24:03] Brian: Under five seconds I'm Gucci I might

[1:24:06] Kelly: Learn the copyright laws I've learned those on SoundCloud pretty well yeah so so all of the samples and all of the

[1:24:17] Jacob: Arrangements the notes everything is everybody was credited on it which you know that was a big a song of 2018 right you team yeah or mo Bamba or my mom or Bamba that one

[1:24:32] Brian: Was they don't came out Nord see that's the thing a lot of these trends in music are super weird I the more I like to learn about society and like all the culture stuff I'm like man I don't think we actually like these songs I think that we're just being told like that we it yeah like a lot of times has it been

[1:24:47] Jacob: More detached like the last again year a lot of the pop music that I used to really like I'm like oh like I was just I was just doing my job and like regurgitating it yep yeah didn't like Old Town Road classic case dude right I

[1:25:01] Brian: Think Old Town Road only is only popular

[1:25:04] Jacob: Because it was on tick tock yeah much yeah and it's little kids with smartphones man right well yeah that may control it's weird because little kids with smartphones so that's the thing with social media that's new that's sending music in different ways thanks let me see that yeah there's a ton of people were just sick of mode it's like projecting us into weird things I heard this thing on Instagram they're talking about you know getting rid of the likes on Instagram yeah and they are diving into that and they're like I heard maybe this Gary Vee talked about how as an artist so say you create you have zero followers you have five pieces of art and they're just like the most intuitive they're all very different but you're like a wide-ranging artist and they're all five different very important pieces of you like that you somehow got to some conclusion to make these intricate art well number one and two they don't nobody really likes us number three that has 500 videos number four that has 17,000 views number five nothing and so if these are different kinds of arts you're number three number four you're like these are what people like apparently so that's what I'm gonna do

[1:26:03] Jacob: Right but now you have other four parts of who you are maybe or who you are trying to explore this thing you're trying to commute to the world through art that have now been like you know it's not many folks in those because people don't like those well what if those people who like those photos those whatever I said that whatever number are all eight-year-old kids would tick-tock right so you just curated your creation you know from your soul as a human whatever this means you just curated it based off of you the likes that you got right so I feel like that is a little a little bit different I things like music is we're seeing that with music but I will say that's just popping music I like we all listened did not just a popular music right there's plenty of underground music that's not known in all these genres that is just

[1:26:45] Brian: There I mean it's when you really think

[1:26:48] Jacob: About and it goes back to accessibility

[1:26:50] Brian: You know when you when someone a producer 30 years ago 25 years ago you need to have a full studio we were talking about analog and digital mixers earlier you know you'd have this whole stack of analog equipment then you have your mixer in front of it and then you'd be able to acquire the musical instruments to be able to you know you either have to have produced or record it live you know or you'd have to have like a sound Bank or you do MIDI you know which was garbage but the accessibility to be able to create music is amazing like you could pirate don't pirate software but you could pyar you know your DAW and have a

[1:27:29] Jacob: Cheap $300 laptop and produce the next big hit you know whatever big hit is in your mind meaning mainstream or like all your buddies love it right so it really leveled the playing field oh yeah it's crazy I mean I'm myself personally getting into making edits and you know making not remixes you know we want to talk about that too you know difference between a bootleg and a remix and an edit you know a remix is something that's licensed by the artists yeah it's official bootleg is you have either stumbled across the

[1:28:04] Brian: Different components for the song or

[1:28:07] Jacob: Stems or you are you know basically do we're going to do it yourself acapella and then remix it yourself which is a bootleg you know you have an edit which you're rearranging or mashing up two different songs so it's crazy like I said the excessive be able to create music and yet we have the same 20 songs that are being played on the radio or you know Spotify or you know any get keeps getting regurgitated and we talk about you know all I got to hear this song because it's the biggest song in the world I'm like you listen to it like 15 times already today like you listen to it in your car on the way here right and you're gonna you're gonna listen to it on the way home right yeah yeah it's funny how it goes though I mean it a lot of times I do think it guys does go back down to like the gatekeeper thing people like that you

[1:28:56] Jacob: Know they don't have time to dive in all their own music tastes a lot of times people I don't I don't think they think they can I don't know like it's like let's not even think about I don't know much about music let's just let this play right I don't know it's cool

[1:29:10] Brian: Like seeing where it's going like

[1:29:14] Jacob: You know sampled music is not new

[1:29:16] Kelly: You know everybody remake sing other cheap people stuff adding all these things but like I don't know what the cap is like Kelly just showed me the credits on sick I'm at Travis Scott well my try to Scott he's in it's like there's a hundreds of people in it you know there's a few people in it but no

[1:29:31] Jacob: It's just interesting to see what the future's what do you guys think so back in the day when there was bands right there's much people there was there's predictions like I remember the Daft Punk a choreo Moroder has like this

[1:29:42] Kelly: Vocal sample of like I predict that

[1:29:44] Jacob: It'll be one person on stage or something like that what do you guys think in 10 years where does like the not only the bands but live just live performances DJing bands producers what do you think it's going 10 years yeah even how you said that like I think

[1:30:02] Kelly: Skrillex actually did a thing where they had he had George Morrison from The Doors who was like I think it's gonna be like a bunch of machines or it's gonna be like a tapes maybe yeah I don't know

[1:30:16] Jacob: It's music is like in this really cool

[1:30:19] Kelly: Cross over stage and it's like who would ever thought that Diplo would make a song with Morgan Wallen like right as

[1:30:29] Jacob: A country artist this country are yeah yeah and Diplo is like this you know very urban beat kind of guy and it's you're seeing like all these

[1:30:40] Kelly: Different people like country singers

[1:30:43] Jacob: Come in and doing like EDM or even

[1:30:48] Kelly: Like there's like even like rehab did a song with Mitchell Tenpenny or did that remix to Mitch Mitchell Tenpenny song and it's amazing it's so good and you're seeing I'm seeing all these different blends of music coming together because

[1:31:05] Jacob: A lot of people are just saying screw

[1:31:08] Kelly: The rules right and I think that's organizing there is no rules there are no rules yeah like I just wrote down because I wanted to talk about it there's no such thing as cheating when it comes to music but what do you mean there what do you mean there's no scenes so we were just

[1:31:25] Jacob: On you know producing music there and I I say that there's no such thing as cheating like well I okay I guess I have to define this a little bit better because you can't just go rip people off you know you can't just go I'm gonna do

[1:31:41] Kelly: I'm gonna steal this whole track and then just make a little name over it yeah all right I mean you can definitely make edits and that's fine but you can't just be like mmm this is

[1:31:52] Jacob: Mine now yeah you'll get caught yeah so what I wanted to say there's no such thing as cheating like when you make music and you're just sir now and you go to you hear a beat loop or you see a lip or a beat loop that's a bar as long you're like gosh I really like this beat

[1:32:11] Kelly: I'm gonna I'm gonna take this beat and

[1:32:14] Jacob: I'm gonna put my own guitar over at something or something and people are like well I feel like I'm cheating because that's not something I made yeah but yet it's still not cheating in

[1:32:28] Kelly: A way because it's like you're not um it's it goes back to like well I didn't I didn't pick up the drum stick and hit

[1:32:38] Jacob: The drum and recorded it or I didn't

[1:32:42] Kelly: Skin the sheep to make this drum or I didn't write I'd like where does it stop yeah I and now I'm a sheep farmer yeah and

[1:32:52] Brian: Not a producer right yeah no that's funny cuz there's this like little thing that I think we've seen we sent in every couple years we send this picture back and forth you remember this it was something along those lines like I started thinking that making my own or using someone else's drum samples was cheating so I started making my own and then it's like I started thinking that using someone else's drum was cheating so I started learn how to make my own drums yeah and then before you know you're a farmer you don't make music anymore right that's why are you ready

[1:33:21] Jacob: Dude Kelly I think that's a great point like thinking that you're cheating so that's something that I have come across lately so I am working with a ton of bands a lot of like yeah crazy talented dudes who where I'm just like I don't know what you guys are doing and how you doing it but it's really cool like a lot of really talented guitar players and stuff and something that happens sometimes it's like nothing they do it on purpose but I don't want to show them my because it's loops its samples like because I'm a DJ that's how I learned that so that's how it is like I can't pick up something super authentic and it's like I have this feeling in the back of my head that they're gonna be like wool a little more pure than you that's kind of a cool little beat you got there buddy you know keeping yeah it's funny though it's funny and they don't do it they don't do it like they don't they don't actually feel that way right it's like intuition that I have around them but there is some times where some of the conversations me as someone who is on the fence or like on

[1:34:16] Jacob: This like in-between of like these different worlds of music I think like I'm kind of just like a foot in whatever tour I could get it into like hearing

[1:34:26] Brian: Them speak about other people not like that they're talking crap like hearing them downplay other people's

[1:34:34] Jacob: Music for not being or for being loop

[1:34:37] Brian: Bass or being I'm not original or like

[1:34:40] Jacob: Oh they just got those chords online right they don't know how to actually play those chords those things when I hear those things from like talented musicians it discourages me so much and I don't want to show them anything it actually ripped my soul out I'm like qualm an idiot and I'm not even in your guys's lane I'm not gonna show you what I thought was cool it's funny like there

[1:34:56] Brian: Is no gatekeepers but we still think that we need to like I'm not allowed to do it this way so I think just to summarize what you say Kelly there's no such thing as cheating man like you can create whatever you want you can beat on your lap and you can record that and then you can add some effects in there you can you can take it from your favorite song and take the last eight bars or your favorite song and then go from there for five hours and see what happens right I think it goes yeah screw the rules man like screw the rules like I think one of

[1:35:26] Jacob: The greatest singers still alive now is

[1:35:29] Brian: Dolly Parton easily like amazing voice and I'm just I'm kind of wondering why hasn't anybody else like I don't know if it's just because she just doesn't want to work with anybody else but that's totally fine Dolly Parton can do whatever she wants but like it's like why not get her on something that would be so amazing like I would listen that song like every day but it's just stuff

[1:35:52] Jacob: Like that it's like why put yourself in or yeah screw the rules man like just

[1:35:58] Brian: Make music but you know what is cool is in those same lanes of rules of it also has screw the rules but you can make your own to write so Kelly st. Onge if you're like you know what I think that dolly needs to be on another song and I think that I'm decent enough to make a song she's gonna be on like I don't know how it's gonna happen but I'm gonna make a song that I get Dolly Parton you know I mean like right you can have these little pipe dreams like if you're like more people need to hear this you can make that little Lane you can nudge your own little path like start your own little scene in your own town and it projected out five years and see what's going on you probably know you're gonna get um we are getting up here in

[1:36:32] Jacob: Length guys this is definitely something that I would like if you're down maybe every couple months or something we can kind of chat on the world DJing if you guys have any other DJ homie so we can get this going yeah that'd be cool I did want to if there's anything else you guys want to interject I did want to like talk about live shows and festivals just I kinda want to end on a fun note of us being in the crowd not DJs not working me myself if we could touch on

[1:36:56] Brian: Like dude festivals outdoor music

[1:36:58] Jacob: Outside for me is like I mean again I said at Cascade or in first on with the gorge was like changed me like made me want to get into music but do you guys have like your alternate for me it's festivals some people really like massives and by massives I mean like huge like the wamu Theatre in Seattle while inside some people like the more underground some people like a hundred people in like a dirty club like it like were you guys out for me it's festivals all the way has an attendee man a festival is the most magical wonderful feeling I've experienced yep yeah

[1:37:28] Brian: Festivals were where it's at so for me being older I mean I've done you know I started out with warehouse parties like we'd get the address the night of you know and you go until 6:00 in the morning and you walk out sun's out you know you're a vampire I've gone to that to you know do club events and at 45 East and just good production and good artists you know but I'm starting to move into and I've done D so I've done

[1:37:56] Jacob: Bass Canyon you know those EDM style

[1:37:59] Brian: Events festivals which are great camping I love it I'm starting to get more into

[1:38:04] Jacob: Doing the immersive type festivals so

[1:38:07] Brian: I'm queued up to go to electric forest

[1:38:10] Jacob: Which I'm super stoked for I did the

[1:38:14] Brian: That's a Michigan and then we're doing I

[1:38:18] Jacob: Did Eclipse Festival which was in 2017 so when I talk about it like an immersive festival so merciful is going to have for another word basically

[1:38:33] Brian: Tedtalks atom during the day they've got

[1:38:37] Jacob: Yoga they've got genres of music that you have never even heard of I mean they have like live music they have people that are doing live band but then they have DJs they have producers that are actually up there queuing their tracks and they're you know and they're their transitions and their instruments live

[1:38:58] Brian: They have camping so you still get that

[1:39:01] Jacob: Festival feel but going to that Eclipse

[1:39:05] Brian: Festival lightning in a bottle is another one that I want to hit up you know even farther as far as going to hopefully someday Burning Man that's kind of where the direction that I've been going into because I've done the big production events million dollar shows you know the big masses you're like yeah this is really cool yeah you want to rage but you know how

[1:39:28] Jacob: Growing as an individual and as an adult you know you get older and different things are more important to you know health and body and mind and spirit you know going along those paths but a male still build experiences amazing music that we don't get to hear every day some do yeah dude be the immersiveness of it is I'm with you on that when you said immersive festival I was like oh I should have added that were definitely like when it's all when it's all in yeah when you're when you're there you're in their world right no Kelly no we've been what the fest there's magic here there's Medicare oh wait oh wait we should we should we don't tell that story real quick okay we're gonna we're gonna end on this one story from this festival what fess thanks again guys one on this story but this is this is DJ Tosi and DJ Cal's we do actually all three of us have a show together in April and I'm not sure what day this is 18th April 18th yeah cool yeah so we have a show the three of us I feel like if you're in town in Long be very good solar star Brian is controlling all that

[1:40:26] Jacob: He has a lot of strings and ideas and really cool things going on there so that'll be fun that'll be a glow party and but anyway we can include info on that in the comments do you feel like

[1:40:36] Kelly: Yeah so Eagle a couple of info on that in the comments on YouTube where wherever you listen to this app but Kelly tell me about this transdimensional turtle or magic that you've heard of it oh well you want the magic or you want the translation both real quick okay this is so good that's what the festival is a festival and

[1:40:53] Jacob: Defer for Organ dump down through

[1:40:56] Kelly: The dowels and amazing festival rest in peace what the festival will miss it they're done and it just like what Brian said it's a immersive festival so you go there and you show up and it's amazing like you just feel like really good energy they're like people are positive people will want to talk to you into stuff like that but so the transdimensional turtle it came because

[1:41:24] Jacob: We inside the festival there was a

[1:41:28] Kelly: Gumball machine in the woods like this is a patent yeah it's how this place is they're like you go walk in the woods for a while yeah like look at a forest photos and like think of like that kind of like lighting and stuff in the wood and then there's this gumball machine and it's a mission machine so what you do is it's like a candy egg and you get

[1:41:49] Jacob: Your mission to do and Jake's mission was I think to dust off the gumball machine right yeah but mine was to kiss

[1:41:59] Kelly: A transdimensional turtle I'm like what I don't even know what that means so we we go out we go throughout our night and its use we stayed out all night like you

[1:42:14] Jacob: Can stay in this festival like 24 hours like you can go you can take a nap by the front stage like it's so cool like once I'm here you here you do whatever you want yeah it's so awesome so I think Jake got up in the morning Jake likes to go on walks kind of clear his head and he goes Kelly I found it I feel like

[1:42:36] Kelly: I ran back a campsite I was so it was so profound because we didn't know what was happening friend I was probably super up when we did

[1:42:45] Jacob: Tell me about like what how like

[1:42:48] Kelly: What you're what oh yeah okay yes

[1:42:51] Brian: So I was on this walk is like we were at most and I like you know you sleep for a few hours just the art of a festival really and I went out and I was taking my walk in the morning and this festival is really cool you can go like you like the front gates are like you just kind of wait for the dude as you're walking and it's like if you're on our property you can go in now right it's so sick so in the morning I'm like walking through the woods there's a few people here and there you walk past like a yoga class right there is I don't think there was a music playing at this time they did have music going in the morning but you could start to hear like the camp's throughout the area there's thousands of people here and walking through the woods in the way I'm like not even like on the path or anything I literally see this little thing and I take a glance and I look closely and it's like this little metal

[1:43:31] Jacob: I think somebody must have made it maybe

[1:43:34] Kelly: Yeah and it is a transdimensional turtle like a little metal dude just out in the woods yeah with like diamond eyes and way yeah hat like you want I shouldn't post like I should post like the picture of me kissing it because we actually is

[1:43:49] Jacob: Right so the tears that we went we found

[1:43:51] Kelly: We kept I found it again and to kiss it so I'll post it in the comments yeah definitely do it uh

[1:43:58] Jacob: Yeah so Jake found he was like Kelly I found it dude like we you know and I was like oh my gosh like yeah way like ran back and like we hate excuse me we gotta kiss this we gotta get in here but yeah the so the other thing there with imagine there's magic here I just immersive festival which is it's really something else you know you feel like you know we hear about Bernie men we hear about all these places and I think the outside consumer is like that is some crazy-ass and I am NOT that's right I'm not going I think that's

[1:44:28] Brian: Kind of a lot of the point you know a lot of the point of Burning Man is I don't know what it is now and I've never been myself but it's kind of like this it's Burning Man like it's the Society of like whatever you're normally used to doing set it on fire and see what the comes out right I think a lot of these vessels in the immersive ones like man the amount of times that I'm just stone-cold sober dancing around my arms flailing around like a little just a eight-year-old kid like you just feel like this whole you know well and it's an escape I mean yeah right yeah they're there bunch of other people who are just like you dance around and someone else notices that you dance around they're like hey you're awesome I love you right now and most of this that the last thing will end on here is we were

[1:45:07] Jacob: Out playing this was it a register like a muddy river look at old school cash registers yeah watch like beat machine yeah this old school cash register it's again in the woods it's standing up I may have photos of that as well in like we walked up to it and you start hitting these buttons but it's hooked to a MIDI controller no speaker it's awesome okay so they program like that do you boy you know it's like almost like Mario sounds and if you hit the right combination of buttons the register opens and it's like this thing that's like you don't know like you have to like we're playing it from for five minutes at least before they register it we didn't even know that was the thing yeah we're just jamming out and there was there was some sort of like there was a candy that Kelly was just talking about or something like right before he was something about some candy that he really particularly wanted like a certain flavor even and anyway we this thing comes out we hit the right combination and it opens yeah and in there is this candy that Kelly was just talking about we had like this

[1:46:04] Jacob: Can't like the flavor everything yeah long conversations 84 and we write what and then some dude walks up behind us and we're in the woods he walks up behind us see what leans in between Kelly now I can move in he goes away like I mean we probably high-fived and hug for like a half hour but yeah let's do it so what if that was what the fasten do for organ immersive festivals are I think we're all kind of an ingredients on that but yeah guys let's go ahead and round it up our times getting along here one more time Kelly and Brian thank you guys yeah I appreciate you having us that's awesome do some more of these cheers guys