# Episode 021 with "rosetan" the band

- Episode: 0021
- Date: 2020-01-17
- Duration: 3:13:22 (11602s)
- Guest: ["rosetan" the band](/guests/rosetan-the-band/)
- YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rONJltCa5bc
- RSS: https://share.transistor.fm/s/ca202c7b
- Audio: https://2.gum.fm/op3.dev/e/pdcn.co/e/pscrb.fm/rss/p/pdst.fm/e/dts.podtrac.com/redirect.mp3/media.transistor.fm/ca202c7b/fe2ddeb9.mp3

## About

Rosetan is a guitar trio whom I work with closely and enjoy life with often. This group consists of Jake Carrol, Jake Wilson, and Erik Nordin. Flexing their small town sounds the last few months, this group has been making their rounds to different shapes and sizes of venues - and bringing with them an enthralling soundscape. With a boy's attitude, a teenager's anger, and a man's craftsmanship - Rosetans music reaches into your chest,  asks "who's doing the breathing here?" and starts pumping your damn heart for you. We open the podcast with a fan favorite of theirs - "ii" (known to some as "baseball")  and then I and the boys begin our trek through the rosetan journey thus far.

We touch on how things got started and we cover backgrounds of the members, each with drastically different paths to here. We talk about the music community and working with more than just the core members to build something more pristine. We chat about the importance and difference in mentors and teachers, the boys give intro guitar players some tips, we talk about beginner musicians and artists - and we expand in-depth on our growing views of the community as we become older and wiser men.

Being a 20 something artist or musician is frustratingly beautiful. We help each other talk through various devices, spread some ideas towards new musicians, and then we touch on some of our own music interests at the moment. We chat about fears and insecurities through musicianship, being in a band and community, and the 4 of us find easy words to express our appreciation for one another as musicians and friends. We take turns dropping loads of song recommendations and delve deeper into the mind of the musician to round things out. Being with this group so often has pushed my boundaries as an artist, engineer, and musician and I couldn't possibly be more grateful.

Look out for more songs from these 3 outliers in the coming year, and support them on Bandcamp or at your local brewery. Cheers!

## Chapters

(none published in episode notes)

## Quotes

(none published as a Quotes list block — inventory has_quotes=yes from inline "who's doing the breathing here?" / "ii" (known to some as "baseball") kept verbatim in About)

## Guest links

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## Archive picks

# Archive picks (not from published notes)

Extracted from the YouTube auto-caption transcript and published About already on this episode. Labeled separately from Jacob’s published About / Chapters / Quotes / Hashtags.

## Memorable quotes

- [00:00:00] Jacob: “known as baseball from Rosetan you can find them at Rosetan and Bandcamp whatever you're doing right now I hope that you're thinking about yourself in a positive”
- [00:07:20] Rosetan: “Eric Nordine he's like guitar player or Eric 13 he's that and stuff it's like you give something in name it now a new creative something over here”
- [00:14:04] Rosetan: “like I even just in practice like when I'm over here working on stuff and you guys are behind me on chimed in once in a while I”
- [00:24:15] Rosetan: “necessary things how a mentor or a teacher teach you some things learn about things that like learn from someone who is better than you consistently surround yourself”
- [00:26:39] Jacob: “going to Mount Hood community you know I go see him and I would get in the car and call my dad like still in the in the”
- [00:12:54] Rosetan: “changes from playing in a brewery for like an hour to that we have a scheduled our thoughtful set you know”
- [02:21:43] Rosetan: “something so they'll be insecure about playing guitar all of a sudden right did you feel did”
- [00:05:57] Rosetan: “roast and we also go by Jake Eric”
- [01:25:26] Rosetan: “you know the Kelso Longview”
- [03:13:15] Jacob: “do good and be good Junkyard Love podcasts out”

## Chapter-style timestamps

- [00:00:00](#t-00-00-00) — Opening bumper — song "ii" / baseball
- [00:08:50](#t-00-08-50) — How the band got started — solo to trio
- [00:10:23](#t-00-10-23) — Meeting Erik & Jake Wilson / playing together
- [00:14:04](#t-00-14-04) — Show practice / deliberate rehearsals
- [00:24:15](#t-00-24-15) — Mentors vs teachers
- [00:35:04](#t-00-35-04) — Jake Carrol background
- [00:52:53](#t-00-52-53) — Gear / Guitar Center vs local shops
- [01:05:32](#t-01-05-32) — Music community / impact
- [01:19:03](#t-01-19-03) — Bandcamp listening / catalog
- [02:21:43](#t-02-21-43) — Fears, insecurities & full-circle talk
- [03:13:15](#t-03-13-15) — Outro — do good / Junkyard Love out

## Keywords

Rosetan, "rosetan" the band, Episode 021 with "rosetan" the band, Junkyard Love Podcast episode 0021, JYLP 0021, Jake Carrol, Jake Wilson, Erik Nordin, guitar trio, small town sound, Bandcamp, brewery shows, music community, mentors, beginner guitar, musicianship, Longview, Jacob Rhines

## Hashtags

#Rosetan #JYLP0021 #JunkyardLove #GuitarTrio #Bandcamp #SmallTownSound #Musicianship #ErikNordin #JYLP

## Short guest bio (from episode speech + published About/links)

"rosetan" the band appears on Junkyard Love episode 0021 — a guitar trio of Jake Carrol, Jake Wilson, and Erik Nordin flexing small-town sounds across venues of every size. Jacob opens with their fan-favorite "ii" (aka "baseball") and the four of them trek through how Rosetan got started, member backgrounds, the music community beyond the core three, mentors vs teachers, intro guitar tips, fears and insecurities in musicianship, song recommendations, and mutual appreciation as musicians and friends. Support them on Bandcamp or at your local brewery. Inventory has_quotes=yes (inline) / has_timestamps=no / has_hashtags=no / has_guest_links=no. Guest slug rosetan-the-band is NEW (one band page; Erik also has separate guest page from episode 0039). No guest contact/email.


## Transcript

[00:00:00] Jacob: Hello my lovely listeners happy whatever day of the week it is that you're listening to this I just wanted to give you a heads up I'm starting out this episode a bit different I'm gonna let a song play from the group that is a guest on this podcast right now that you're listening to so this is called - also known as baseball from Rosetan you can find them at Rosetan and Bandcamp whatever you're doing right now I hope that you're thinking about yourself in a positive manner I hope you drink a little bit of water I hope you're trying to eat right trying to sit up straight I mean enjoy this a couple minutes of this song and then we'll float it right into the podcast Cheers friend thanks for listening

[00:01:15] Rosetan: She's a kiss of sunshine she tells me That I'm handsome step-by-step I'm throw Me some fish like ass baseball playing no game I want it all I used to be Frozen in the summer this was supposed To be Better luck next year Leaves are turning red Whether gay **** Better luck next year Is it Eric Nordine so distracting Eric Rodina froze Tim you want to just open this podcast up with your toe what's going on buddy broke my toe it hurts swelling it kind of feels like it's bubbling inside of it and I'm wondering if I'm like in trouble here man oh it's

[00:04:33] Jacob: Okay well cheers to that because you

[00:04:36] Rosetan: Know it helps injuries right there's old

[00:04:41] Jacob: Like a civil war medicine yeah there we

[00:04:44] Rosetan: Go so guys we have Rosetan with us today

[00:04:48] Jacob: And poor Eric he unfortunately was

[00:04:51] Rosetan: Changing his tirely ur tire earlier and had a mishap so his toe is a bit on the hurdy side I

[00:04:58] Jacob: Like the thought of him hurting his or like doing his tie and then he like hurts his toe somehow yeah just like putting a knot how do you think that would happen well I think you could do it requires a lot of attention to put on a tie I don't know I don't know how to do it you don't know how to tie a tie I can show you a tight buddy all right let's do it I actually worked at a mr. Foreman tuxedo nice you definitely yeah but for the most part we just had not the clip-on ties but they were like go around on one side and they were in it they zip right the zip ones too like you

[00:05:34] Rosetan: Put around your neck and you can just like cinch them up I've never had any of those but yeah just like but it's a lot classier if you tie your own tie though I think it is yes and there's a lot of different not so you can learn as

[00:05:43] Jacob: Well yeah like I'm ship has sailed I

[00:05:46] Rosetan: Think from I think you're very definitely travel

[00:05:49] Jacob: Down that road you think you can teach an old dog new tricks I think you definitely so guys we have this is the

[00:05:57] Rosetan: Band roast and we also go by Jake Eric

[00:06:00] Jacob: Jake's and Eric there is three Jake's

[00:06:04] Rosetan: And one Eric I'm not even in the band but I hang out with these guys a lot this is a band that I hang out with quite often they're starting out but they're really freaking good they're a bunch of very talented

[00:06:19] Jacob: Musicians and very good people and I have the privilege of hanging out with them once a week at least right yeah thank you as we can I would say yeah yeah at the very least and so you guys let me tag along and you take my input and we work together on a bunch of cool stuff it's pretty cool it's it's definitely teaching me a lot working with musicians it's something that you know we're working with a lot of DJ's is so great and you learn a whole different side of the music world but working with more musicians who are who have instruments in their hands and more on the vocal side of things is just teaching me so much so I appreciate you guys tonight I definitely want to

[00:07:05] Rosetan: Talk about the beginning of a band how how does a band even start like what is it how do you even start a band what even happened well I think kind of that too Eric

[00:07:16] Jacob: Honestly just like let him know yeah

[00:07:20] Rosetan: It's weird I think like the branding of Rosetan itself I think came from I was tired of putting on music as Eric Nordine I had like a frustrating amount of ego connected to like what I was doing and then so when you fail at what you're doing or wouldn't you perceive yourself as a failure at what you're doing then like having your name on that is like it like a crisis and stuff like that and I think removing my name from it also removed an expectation of being like Eric Nordine he's like guitar player or Eric 13 he's that and stuff it's like you give something in name it now a new creative something over here so it's a new thing okay and so I

[00:08:03] Jacob: Did that and like I made a little Instagram page and I had like 24 followers and made some really weird experimental stuff that was aggressively influenced by like the new bony their

[00:08:15] Rosetan: Album really weird experimental stuff

[00:08:18] Jacob: Harshly auto-tuned you know trying to

[00:08:20] Rosetan: Reach out there and do weird things but

[00:08:25] Jacob: It was when I started trying to demo

[00:08:29] Rosetan: Vocals without auto-tune and someone was like that's actually pretty good and then you start doing that live and then

[00:08:36] Jacob: I just started realizing that like I don't think that what I was doing is still the whole goal is like be honest and rebranded in a creative direction and even though I had done that I wasn't like fully doing it and so once I fully

[00:08:50] Rosetan: Surrendered the idea of this isn't gonna be a solo project I got to get band mates I think that's when the band really started and stuff and then Jake Wilson weed I played like a lot of tap houses and just our hometown alone view and stuff and so I could play like a you know Ashe town antidote Tap House

[00:09:10] Jacob: And then in kilometers whoo that's first

[00:09:11] Rosetan: Yeah and that's where we started playing together probably it's kind of reached out to you randomly it was like hey cuz like I knew I knew we could improvise and jams like a couple hours and we just get some free beer in the noise summer so we did that it what a great gig as a great gig right and so Sam some dogs yeah well yeah actually that was like right after I had just met I had just met Eric like right at the beginning of summer I would say like early June and we kind of just like connected over playing guitar we're like oh will you play guitar oh me too that's all and then Eric was like hey come on down to Willy Dix and hang out I'm gonna be playing guitar there and I was like great I'll come down I have some fun listen to some music yeah some fun

[00:09:58] Jacob: Yeah I was like July aresome yeah it was really early summer so you guys bought it over hot dogs yeah what do you do yeah man like peanut butter on

[00:10:18] Rosetan: A hot dog Willy Dix

[00:10:19] Jacob: I don't miss around there anyway I went

[00:10:23] Rosetan: Down there and I met some cool people and I listened to Eric and Jake Wilson play guitar and I was like wow these guys are awesome the really good musicians and just really cool people and I hope some day that we can get together and make music together and then that was like back in July and then like just fast

[00:10:42] Jacob: Forward to September yeah I guess we started rehearsing in September to scramble for October show yeah right or was it scrambling in October to play in November it was definitely our first shows Dec definitely just how did you guys even determine how to cuz like Eric obviously you have a bunch of songs under your belt at this point oh okay

[00:11:04] Rosetan: But so you just you just hit up these guys like meet up did you know that you were talking about Rosetan about yeah the whole thing is like I think it's important to go into something with a pretty big creative vision I think it's also okay to go into stuff with oh yeah that's the whole point okay come around full circle for myself here the whole point is like playing songs and a medley of rebranding with Rosetan was also like removing expectation okay removing expectation of like we're going to get together and we're going to make it that like totally like puts a terrible over view of like what you're gonna do artistically what you wouldn't know what we're going to do is gonna hang out become the best young man that we can at that time and we're gonna sing some pretty fun songs and whatever happened like maybe we're just a band for a year and that's a really fun here like that's awesome or maybe career happens out of it like either way like it's such a powerful mindset to have with this thing definitely as Eric was saying earlier just like kind of the open mindset when Eric first came to me like I didn't

[00:12:07] Rosetan: Even know he was asking me to be part of Rose ten he just he said hey do you want to hang out and play some guitar and I was just like yeah sure and so we met up that first night and then just like it kind of just rapidly very rapidly snowballed from there well like the there's the panic of the fact that I had a show but there's also like there was a point of necessity which is how it came to be one of days because originally there was the idea of having it be a full band and yeah and there's still like some nice for tatius ideas of doing like full band versions of something on an album but there's something unique about taking an acoustic ish trio like this and

[00:12:54] Rosetan: The different kind of spaces you can play and the different energy you can bring we can play small rooms and make that remove like heavy and emotional we can play big rooms to make that big of emotional we can play a small room and just be that nice thing in the corner like you know which is what will be like when we're probably traveling out a little bit you know but then like so there's some shows where it's like we'll be on stage that's a show with other artists and stuff and that's when the set changes from playing in a brewery for like an hour to that we have a scheduled our thoughtful set you know

[00:13:25] Jacob: Kind of DJing stuff is up as opposed to like I'm gonna you know free ball while all these people drink for four hours or it's like are you playing a set with several other DJs right you gonna put together a whole like right yeah if you're doing some sort of like headliner I have an hour slot or some sort of like opening set or something it's different than playing background music or like the musical version of like submitting yourself to the elements you know and just like all these different environments and they're you just kind of learn to grow inside of them yeah you guys are very good at that too

[00:13:58] Rosetan: It's the feel honestly it's just like we

[00:14:02] Jacob: Can feel like moments it's like I would

[00:14:04] Rosetan: Say like when we are doing like show stuff like deliberate show stuff like when we like we will kind of just I don't know it's the whole thing we just kind of vibe off of each other we all look at each other like all right do we need to kick it up a notch right now or would that be kind of inappropriate for the vibe of the room right now for us to be right blowing the roof off this place yeah do I get see that really good to like I even just in practice like when I'm over here working on stuff and you guys are behind me on chimed in once in a while I give my opinion but like you guys can pick up this vibe it's like sometimes Eric will come in and be like hey I got this it feels like a crap day and I wrote this song and you guys like we're in it that's it let's hear it and in it you just pick up the vibe and you guys have this it's a cool thing that you know it's it I it's very cool to me to be a

[00:14:52] Rosetan: Part of it because I'm not in the band but I kind of get like this cool band I get to see you guys look at each other and communicate without words like that's something that it's a front as an outsider it's like wow that's cool ya

[00:15:03] Jacob: Know and that's totally valuable and it's like it's important and essential for a lot of bands who actually like have that person cuz like the Beatles had George Martin you know right and like that guy was like there all the way until like he died you know those guys just being like hey you know how can I help you like what can I do for your career and like that's what you've been doing the entire time because like even before me and Jake were in this like it was you and Eric had produced that EP together and like I mean Eric spoken of your influence on that and how you just kind of worked with him on that sort of like strip back atmosphere and kind of like help you like oh you know I guess like guiding the flow in some ways and like that's important you know because the listeners ear is part of the musicians ear yeah definitely thanks for

[00:15:52] Rosetan: Saying that it's something that I'm like learning more and more because it starts out as just hanging out and Eric's like you want to help me with this thing and I'm like I sell myself short a lot I'm like the I don't know like I don't I don't want to come over here and think that I can like help you with it or whatever but then you know ends up making this like wonderful three track

[00:16:10] Jacob: Who's to compete yeah but yeah it's really cool to find your place and just but again not really trying to do it that this whole thing has been like let's hang out with your friends and have a great time yeah let's just try to get a little bit better at these things and let's let your friends input help you and like eric has just made me so much better than so many of the things that I already thought that was super good at just by hanging out with him and being next to him be like oh he's crazy good at that thing cuz he does that well thanks man that's really nice he I think that the biggest thing going back to the expectation thing is like I had kind of thought earlier like you know we're but we're going into the new year and there's a few artists that I like an artist out of Dallas Texas that I produce for and she and she's a she's a great talent okay but last year I remember on Twitter she's like 2019 is gonna be the year for my music and I mean the years over and she had a great

[00:17:04] Rosetan: Year for like releases and stuff but like guess what she didn't like have a big breakthrough and stuff and I think there's an I think it's great to set goals but I think it's really important to have a sense of reality of like the steps that it takes to get to these goals as opposed to a ludicrous view of

[00:17:20] Jacob: Like late like to say like 2020s year

[00:17:26] Rosetan: That roasts and makes it is a year that like would probably the collapse of the morale of the band alright because it could be alright shooting for the wrong goal yes correct you should be what like am I in my opinion and what I'm working for personally and like I think of the band is good is that in 2020 the goal is like I'm going to become a better person and a better musician perfect great the template is in place for that to be successful for it to fail would be a

[00:18:05] Jacob: Huge mistake on one of our ends most

[00:18:08] Rosetan: Likely would be something on my end being the bandleader and even being the one who is probably like the most unstable in certain facets of life and

[00:18:16] Jacob: Stuff but I think but I think there's

[00:18:20] Rosetan: Been like lay it but like for me personally like there's been a lot of growth in recent months and like a lot of has been because like being in this band and being a band leader is a really crummy term but like as far as its wired but it's the only thing that explains what's going on really I'm kind of like just judge and for now that's what it is to like because for now like so far I've been bringing songs to them but now and the songs from the acoustic EP live have been wonderfully embellished right and then they're gonna have stuff to brain to me like Jacob Carroll just like to some he showed me like before the podcast started that's great Jake Wilson shows me a bunch of stuff that he's written you know so there's more things to tap into then like then my sadness in

[00:19:01] Jacob: 2019 you know but that's what because that's what got you guys like it's like hey I can get this whole thought out now it got you guys together and so just how old you guys are to whatever happens next we're gonna just see what happens with it like not having these goals do you guys think that a lot

[00:19:18] Rosetan: Of young artists get too caught up in the fame like do you think they like because I heared a lot of times a lot of times onlookers who aren't artists who aren't musicians who aren't they don't understand and they'll say things like oh one song you can get famous or one more hit and you could be the one and things like this and in that mindset is always really weird to people like us I'd say because we're like what like that's not the gold though the goal is to love life and play music with friends right yes like definitely what

[00:19:48] Jacob: You said like just like loving life and enjoying the music and enjoy making music with your close friends like we're doing right now like I really love what I really love about this is just like we're bandmates but we're also like we enjoy spending time together like that's super important to not get together and hate each other and have to make music sort of like an

[00:20:13] Rosetan: Arms race yeah and like I don't really feel like there's any competition in between us like we're all working together and then like we have this amazing person

[00:20:24] Jacob: Jake Ryan's with us like you said about that Beatles guy earlier just like he's that constant sort of like oh I like what you guys did there oh maybe you guys could like do that part a little quieter and me and so we're like we're really open to a lot of input - and back to what Jake said yeah it is

[00:20:43] Rosetan: It's an interesting thing like a lot of

[00:20:47] Jacob: People like especially outside the

[00:20:50] Rosetan: Music like so one more hate one more big song you know it's like it's like that was like the big the big shock for me cuz honestly this is my first experience in like an actual like band like playing music I have been doing serious band things and Eric has been so good at being

[00:21:08] Jacob: Realistic like because after our

[00:21:12] Rosetan: First show and like just like incredibly positive feedback from people close to us and people who have never talked to before it was easy for my mind to just be like that's it man we made it this is it this is it a

[00:21:25] Jacob: Hollywood here I come there was a talent scout at that Tap House for sure we made it boys and then Eric was just like we got back down into like we got back down

[00:21:40] Rosetan: Practicing again and Eric it was just like all right on to the next show what do we got next let's write some more and it was like incredibly just like oh that's how that's how it works in reality it's not we make one song we do one performance and that's it we made it boys like and then like I feel like a lot of people can get discouraged like that like they make one song and like

[00:22:01] Jacob: Maybe it gets like 20 plays on soundcloud if they're lucky and they're like music so it's not for me you know yeah your music sucks if you're going towards the wrong goal if you if that's how you're what's how you're weighing if you're doing well or not of course you're gonna have bad measurements that

[00:22:19] Rosetan: I think like music in social media and

[00:22:22] Jacob: Things like SoundCloud as like a musical

[00:22:25] Rosetan: Social media and a platform I think they're like social tools now and I think like to younger generations and not to like separate myself from younger generations but I feel like people younger than us don't look at music the way people like 30 years ago

[00:22:42] Jacob: Or 50 years ago or however long picking

[00:22:45] Rosetan: Up instruments and having to like actually do it like they're not looking at it the same way I think it's more of a social tool and that's why it's more like check this out come see my song

[00:22:55] Jacob: Just go see it you know yeah it's weird

[00:22:59] Rosetan: It's like the it gives people in my opinion everyone should have the freedom to post and upload any sounds they want and that's important but I also think that people get and an unrealistic feeling of like there's like the first time you make an official Spotify for yourself like for your own self and stuff you're like I'm **** signed bro I got a blue checkmark on my goddamn even for that yes when I saw the junk I love podcasts on Spotify and the branding is big and that and it took effort to do it and therefore yes that's good but it's then it's then the taking that success part of like

[00:23:41] Jacob: Okay I have achieved this and then going further with it where it's like I have achieved this and I'm all this and a bag of chips going oh you know way off of the rail with it where it's like you have to be realistic about where you are currently in the steps moving towards things I think um I think I think in music there's a really important analogy than like a staircase right so there's like there's I want to be a musician and then at the at the top of the staircase there is like I am a famous whatever like if your goal is to be famous right okay the stairs going up to that are

[00:24:15] Rosetan: Like necessary things how a mentor or a teacher teach you some things learn about things that like learn from someone who is better than you consistently surround yourself with people that are better than you practice for more than a year I mean like to get good at guitar the way that I did to get a scholarship to college it's not like I play guitar for a few months and posted for you on YouTube and I felt really good about myself so they gave me a scholarship my family spent a lot of money on private lessons for me I was lucky enough to have parents that wanted to fund me as an artist and as a young

[00:24:54] Jacob: High school you know what I mean like a lot of parents like screw that you're

[00:24:58] Rosetan: Definitely putting some numbers on the board at a young age I mean you've been you've been talented from a very young age yeah well but that's still only because of teachers though I didn't have a lot of raw talent I think I think on a good rot year well III think meaning from the parents perspective of like oh **** this is something we should put some money to right well I'm making it worth their time and worth their money like they knew the after why didn't you put in your work to prove this right yeah okay so to go to that point like I started taking lessons here in town from longtime local legend Bob

[00:25:29] Jacob: Nelson okay he's a great guitarist he got he got me I can and he started me off we fly I loved dissonance which is

[00:25:37] Rosetan: Like clash II stuff in music and because it pulls out emotion to me I loved it I

[00:25:42] Jacob: Found a lot of dissonance in Latin jazz

[00:25:45] Rosetan: Bossa nova Brazilian jazz Antonio Carlos

[00:25:48] Jacob: Jobim is a girl from ipanema blue bossa sounds like songs like that where the court changed her color changes are so thick and insane and very dissonant he got me into that and then eventually I still had to uh I had to go on to

[00:26:04] Rosetan: Another teacher like I had another tier that I knew had to go up on right and so then we took I took lessons from a Portland jazz international jazz guitar

[00:26:13] Jacob: Current not legend I would say but

[00:26:15] Rosetan: Northwest legend Dan Ballmer and he's he teaches at Lewis and Clark College and he travels internationally plays for other people too and he's someone who has a solo career in place for people like he's so that's who I learned from a lot in Portland and he's someone that consistently I think was like three or four lessons and he's like you're not that good it was awesome it

[00:26:39] Jacob: Sucked I was like really frustrated I remember my freshman year in college I would still take lessons from excel was going to Mount Hood community you know I go see him and I would get in the car and call my dad like still in the in the dude the driveway crying like real human tears frustrated because I would cuz he just feel like this and he just he just wouldn't stop but he would keep counting up a tune too fast and I couldn't start Chris couldn't write I

[00:27:03] Rosetan: Would freak out right like get home I would ignore my guitar for a few hours and bike okay I got to practice that song before rehearsal tomorrow at school and then I would do that and then whatever he was telling me at the lesson let me just click all of a sudden and

[00:27:19] Jacob: It's like this dude's it's so good he does crazy so just sitting on the information like not even realizing that you were holding on to it for later right and then you get to playing again and it comes out you're like damn it nice yeah it's genuinely insane it's a

[00:27:34] Rosetan: Wonderful teacher there yeah man and then Brian Mitchell mark Moore's choir director was probably the biggest influence in my developmental stages of life as a young kid as a young artist and stuff like because he showed me like this choral music where everything was cluster chords which like basically a cluster chord and acquire is he divided the choir into a lot of sections and you almost have every note on a scale being sung at once and it causes a harmonic swirl and it makes you make sure it makes your spine tingle and goosebumps it's a crazy amazing experience he got me into stuff like that he was also the jazz choir director and stuff and so he got me into really weird free form improvisation Miles Davis **** brew so at a younger age I'm digesting pretty

[00:28:16] Jacob: Heavy music that's like stuff to study that like in college like I was taking college music theory when I was 16 and

[00:28:24] Rosetan: But it's not but and I think that's

[00:28:27] Jacob: Because I found success in music quickly

[00:28:30] Rosetan: Because my teachers were so good right that like that's a really big thing to like I'm yes I put in work I put in time and practice but they told me to practice they showed me what to practice they told me to move all I needed to move on I went up and up and then they gave me the tools to when I went up to Seattle I could I could work under some really

[00:28:55] Jacob: Really cool people right it's because I and they gave me those tools if I would have if I would have went up there with raw talent not being able to identify what things are and not know what I was talking about there's no way these opportunities would've come you know what you're talking about in the audio world that's why you have great jobs and you can yeah but I go you wouldn't go to your world and I don't know what you're talking about but same George though that's like if you if you go set up this festival I'll be like that's and then you're like

[00:29:21] Rosetan: Playing a major and I'm like that's like kind of like what we all do here what we all bring to the table when we're and just dab but I'm trying to form a thigh here so we're all literally at a table so I bring to the oh yeah well we all bring something unique and we talk about a lot here and it's just like it's so cool getting to make music with these guys all of all four of us bring something unique to the table whether it's theory whether it's the ear whether it's the feel whether it's the emotion or the sound tech even like stuff like that or just the opinions the outside ear everything we bring is so

[00:30:13] Jacob: Valuable and it's incredibly obvious when one of us can't make it to the

[00:30:20] Rosetan: Practice like something's missing like

[00:30:23] Jacob: It doesn't feel complete it's like the

[00:30:26] Rosetan: The cheese isn't on the pizza it's like

[00:30:29] Jacob: It's like on the sauce crust it seems worse I'm glad none of you guys

[00:30:41] Rosetan: Are the pineapple for that pizza you

[00:30:45] Jacob: Know you know yeah Hawaiian pizza was

[00:30:53] Rosetan: Like my first love we got it pepperoni

[00:30:57] Jacob: He's a cheese beat yeah but you guys here's something that everybody needs to know what is that if you fried Brussels

[00:31:04] Rosetan: Sprouts what no listen to this fried Brussels sprouts dude Porky's has those fried Brussels sprouts but what's amazing is

[00:31:11] Jacob: That the size and shape and consistency

[00:31:14] Rosetan: Of these little crispy circles are like little tiny like pop-up beets crispy pepperonis oh wait okay

[00:31:21] Jacob: I mean they have that salty taste yeah you could totally have a vegetarian pizza shop just sell these **** at the store no dude you call a fry cauliflower crust as well now wait actually now we're getting to the mere people what people wanted to hear the lack of meat of what people wanted yes look at that chair just went down yes that chair is gonna be a hatred of but so people who have been listening to my podcasts watch your head he missed it whoo Eric is sitting in the chair that just randomly loses its hydraulics and just starts going down but so which now the people listed my podcasts often know about that chair cuz it's been in the last five well I well I'm honored to be a part of this the meme when are you going to have the chair as a guest can you guys step outside we'll just do a little yeah just leave the jet follow on

[00:32:17] Rosetan: Twitter has its own podcast build cast

[00:32:27] Jacob: And there's a half hour of that cat

[00:32:29] Rosetan: Consistently purring welcome well miked

[00:32:32] Jacob: And compressed it's one of my favorite

[00:32:39] Rosetan: It's like well I already I already want my own kitty so bad I want my I want a little kitty that I come home to and I'm like what up Paul and like I'll go get my five and he's like I had a good day it's like I had a good day too now I can release my stresses and pet you very calmly and lovingly and you're my little guy I'm going through that I think about cats is they're so unpredictable it's you're like this is the sweetest cat ever and then it gets older and it just it hates you and you're like what am I gonna do I'm a habit I have this cat I

[00:33:13] Jacob: Have this cat named Frank and he's

[00:33:15] Rosetan: Huge man he's a tank he's Frank

[00:33:19] Jacob: The tank shoutout Frank yeah he's a he's a he's a chunk of a cat and he's a sweetheart like he will seek you out like that's not cat behavior usually like he will you open the front door and he comes to you like he's a dog he's confused I think I think what happened was we took him away from his mom too early you know and we had a dog in the house you know and I think he was raised by the dog and so now Frank about being taken away from your mom Oh Eric man you couldn't make me cry on

[00:33:56] Rosetan: The podcast no it's not true actually

[00:33:59] Jacob: It's like a wildly inaccurate fact about my life that I need to quickly correct go on about your cat that goes to you when he calls no he's a sweet he's a sweetheart and I love him and his name is Frank that just reminded me because you said you would name your cat Paul and like everybody's like why would you name a cat Frank like that's so odd that's a human name but and I'm like what human name yeah well why do we why do we put limits on what we name animals right so this is actually super great I have two cats they're not technically mine but I do put cat food out and they hang out in my backyard um one is named one's name is Steven he has a yellow eye and a blue eye he's super cool and the other one's name is Glenn and he's just a black cat Glenn and Steven Glenn and Stephen Glenn Steven Frank and Paul they're all gonna get together and play poker homies yeah

[00:34:48] Jacob: And it's cool it's funny because like all jokingly make up these names but in the back of my head I'm like I know this is gonna make Shaylee laugh a little bit sticks like it's like cuz when I tell her she does laughing Lee huh and so she can't help it when she pulls in the driveway and there's some like cat dropping across she's like dammit

[00:35:04] Rosetan: No hey Jacob Carroll yes sir want to give me a little bit of your background in music like how long have you been playing music so you've been doing guitar alright do you play any other instruments do yours yeah my dad actually bought me a guitar just a just

[00:35:21] Jacob: A simple squire you know real cheap

[00:35:25] Rosetan: Starter guitar for my I think it was my

[00:35:28] Jacob: 10th or my 11th birthday he bought me and I was like you know of course I'm 10 or 11 so I'm super into like we'll get to that we'll get I'm not 10 by the

[00:35:51] Rosetan: Way disclaimer I'm not 10 years old if you're listening I'm not he's dead alright anyway yeah my dad got me a guitar for my 10th or 11th birthday I don't remember and he's like you learned how to play you learn how to play blues guitar and I'll buy you any guitar you want he said that to me when I was 10 or 11 years old did you like the Blues at that time though like did you um I spent a lot of time with my dad and like pretty much every time we were hanging out doing stuff in the garage anything like that he had BB King Stevie Ray Vaughan

[00:36:19] Jacob: Even like Jimi Hendrix playing in the

[00:36:22] Rosetan: Background we were doing stuff you should write a song called dad and lacks the blue yeah we could write a blues song that's just called daddy's favorite daddy's favorite and it's about me right

[00:36:34] Jacob: Yeah anyway yes so anyway

[00:36:42] Rosetan: I was like super into it and I got frustrated super early because I couldn't play like Jimi Hendrix right off the bat and a guitar I hurt my fingers and I hated it and it sucked so I hung it up for years I was like guitar sucks I hate it I'm never gonna be good at this yeah it's hard to suck at

[00:36:59] Jacob: Stuff if you're listening to this it is

[00:37:02] Rosetan: Hard to suck at stuff going but keep going keep going because you will have to suck to get better exactly point you that go through a stage of suck exactly yeah you have to suck at stuff this is one of the most motivational like some

[00:37:15] Jacob: Instagram girl needs to turn that to take it and make a valuable quote with somebody walking in a like retro

[00:37:23] Rosetan: Filter like down a pathway like

[00:37:27] Jacob: With a quote you know I am set up by the **** that I post everywhere is just so set up for this opportunity be brave you suck at something new it sucks to suck it suck I loved that one

[00:37:42] Rosetan: Before you picked up the old guitar oh wow

[00:37:45] Jacob: I was probably I dabbled a little bit like in high school I picked it up again I learned a few pentatonic scales you know just do-do-do-do-do-do yeah and I thought I was just the man and then like I could play just a few notes and a few riffs and I hung it back up until I was like 19 or 20 and then I met this dude I went to college with and

[00:38:11] Rosetan: He was light years better than me at guitar his name was also Jake so automatically made him a cool automatically made them cool Eric have you heard of him Eric no comment from Eric anyway we started playing together and he liked Eric with star players

[00:38:41] Jacob: Named Jake

[00:38:47] Rosetan: Jake's just whispering over their videos

[00:38:50] Jacob: Whispers break though it's like he was

[00:38:53] Rosetan: Trying to think of what Jake is hell

[00:39:00] Jacob: It's just a bunch of Jake's saying Jake you know what if you had unoriginal parents and you were born in the 90s your name is Jacob all right so anyway yeah I started playing with him he's like yours better than me really influenced me to pick it back up to pick it back up again and I kind of been playing ever since then and then I met

[00:39:18] Rosetan: Mr. Eric Nordine and mr. Jake Wilson who

[00:39:23] Jacob: Are also incredible musicians and it keeps me motivated so you didn't you didn't have any like background like any training or do you think that I took guitar lessons for like two weeks oh **** how'd that go and it was

[00:39:35] Rosetan: Terrible really yeah it was like this

[00:39:39] Jacob: Dude like he just like had this Walmart

[00:39:42] Rosetan: Guitar instruction book and he put it in front of me and I couldn't read sheet music and he would just solo the whole time while I struggled to play mary had a little lamb going back to teachers like that's why kinda mentor like that's why I give praise to my teachers so much it's like we got some guitar you can play pentatonix he can play pentatonic so listen who's gonna be in the Chase Bank when I need to cash my money order

[00:40:23] Jacob: From George Strait what's what for

[00:40:28] Rosetan: $15,000 paid on that feature guitar boy but yeah but yeah III saw the nursing to here you took I don't know that about you I didn't know you took a couple weeks of lessons and that sucked because I've heard so many people like what we'll start lessons yeah piano is a common one too with this white will those start lessons and the teachers bad enough where it's nufs out the wants to even play this instrument exactly what happened he would just sit there and play ac/dc licks while I'm

[00:40:58] Jacob: Struggling to learn mary had a little lamb and just like it was just like this sucks I hate this I'm never coming back again you guys I never took private lessons but I started taking violin in

[00:41:09] Rosetan: Fifth grade I did Orchestra and all I

[00:41:12] Jacob: Ever did was Orchestra up through a

[00:41:14] Rosetan: Sophomore year and like I had the greatest teacher the whole time mr. Williamson over at a Kelso and a

[00:41:22] Jacob: Countyman dude that guy I used to piss him off really and also because I was so

[00:41:29] Rosetan: Hyperactive alright like Elmer Fudd or

[00:41:32] Jacob: Something you know because he kept he did look like Elmer whew yeah kid you're gonna find a way to make fun of a teacher no but like that guy I mean like he did so much for me and was so

[00:41:45] Rosetan: Patient with me and even though like somehow I still to this day don't think I ever knew how to read music but I still managed to do it because I would write like the finger positions over all the notes on up all of my I would go through like I should have been writing tab books in sixth grade because I was going in there reading and all that Givens guitar pro like that computer tab with your program I looked at that a couple times as weird yeah I didn't like tabs as a guitar player guitar pro was this thing where there's a website where most guitar players at all stages when they're trying to learn a song they go to ultimate guitar calm okay with like you screen what tabs are to real quick tablature when you look at it shows with a bunch of hyphens what a guitar neck will look like with six strings and then on those six strings it will put a number on where a - would be and that number is going to be the fret

[00:42:44] Jacob: That you press down there for that being the note now as far as a rhythm good for you know

[00:42:52] Rosetan: What was cool about that is that it makes you have to hear it and go oh that's where that one fits in so there is a part of learning and building some strong connections there I think is still I mean III tablature has cool symbology that helps tie together those discrepancies though like weird little like things that represent like a band that program that's crazy it's given me a crazy flashback because that program is the reason I picked up guitar again because I gave up on it for so long because I couldn't read music and I didn't give a **** to read music and so

[00:43:26] Jacob: I remember my uncle had that what was

[00:43:30] Rosetan: That guitar pro that program he had it on his computer and he was showing it to me and I was like wow I can play crazy train now I can play the intro to crazy train I can play smoke on the water and like I was playing all these songs without having to read music and like

[00:43:46] Jacob: Like obviously you get to a limit where as a musician that's all you can do is just play Lakes to famous songs you know and you're not really making your own stuff but to a beginner I believe like

[00:43:59] Rosetan: Tablature can be beneficial like reading tabs as a beginner guitar player you're having fun made some progress yes so like I can play along with my favorite songs and I don't have to read music or like it will it'll show you an order of notes that you yourself have not thought to play yet and now you're like I now have that in my toolbox so can we just you know based off the nation of the podcast let's say person who has never picked up a guitar for a guitar before nowadays guitars are pretty cheap you can get a decent guitar use guitar whatever 150 bucks whatever a hundred bucks yeah and they want to just like learn let's just play around they can go to tabs I would say would you say start with tabs if they won't like check out some of their favorite songs or what would you say hey that's a that's a yeah that's a tricky question for guitar players because some I'd say learn chords I would say learn chord shapes and then go and learn skills honestly I put off skills for so long I didn't learn skills until like a few years until a playing guitar

[00:44:58] Jacob: And the embarrassing thing is that

[00:45:01] Rosetan: When I was first learning guitar I looked at skills and I thought they were chords I was like scales and chords

[00:45:10] Jacob: Right so like because when you see them

[00:45:13] Rosetan: On a chart they have the same kind of figuration so that they're all dots on a fretboard to kind of look like you're placing four taps listening yeah

[00:45:24] Jacob: They're their numbers so tabs work

[00:45:27] Rosetan: There's a pair of six parallel lines and it's like Eric was saying earlier the number on the line is the fret number that you're pressing down on the guitar and so when you're looking at tabs just say like six five four on a certain line that you're playing frets six five four like in order in the frets are so when you're looking at a guitar the frets are you settle this metal yeah

[00:45:54] Jacob: Yeah and so you just count from the top one two three four five all the way down dude honestly just learning that for me so that's why I asked it what you guys would recommend because for me if

[00:46:05] Rosetan: You guys didn't know actually I played a little guitar myself when I was younger and that was what I learned to do it I didn't know chords didn't know any of that stuff but tabs were like that like I was very discouraged but then I looked up tabs and well maybe put it away but it

[00:46:24] Jacob: Was to where like if you said smoke on the water and crazy train those were two things that I learned too because you can look at the tabs like oh this is on the third one two three yeah cool so it made me go from like nothing at all to something so that was encouraging but I but I mean I'm I put it down after a few months and I didn't pick it up back up for years so but that so that's what reading tabs is as far as saying like

[00:46:47] Rosetan: Chords and scales what how would you say you would go about learning that next step of chords like what's so person who wants to pick up a guitar just try it out how would they learn a chord I think we should all three give

[00:47:06] Jacob: Answers okay I would say

[00:47:11] Rosetan: Like it depends on who your teacher is or it depends on if you don't have a teacher and if you're just picking up a guitar in any sense just like try to emulate something that you know like look up a song that you want to play and

[00:47:26] Jacob: Then look up that chart and make it

[00:47:29] Rosetan: A really easy song that's possibly repetitive so you're doing the same thing over and over again and you're locking in what those shapes are and configurations because there are a lot of open chords that you just put three fingers down and a lot of songs where you hold those three fingers for like five seconds you know and that's that's enough to get like a few amount of beats in so you would say like emulating your favorite songs would be a good start if it's like for its artists strumming chords yeah hallelujah touch the guitar and if you're learning

[00:48:03] Jacob: Chords and then like pick you know just like experiment for sure but like try to find those spots where you feel comfortable first so that you find where you can fit in unless you're just like totally like balls to the walls I'm just gonna take this for what it is and like do you think man I'm just

[00:48:27] Rosetan: Trying to think like in retrospect if I was gonna learn guitar differently what would I do the same well what would I do differently is very hard because like a lot of times like I'll play something and then people who don't play guitar will be like wow that's awesome but to

[00:48:44] Jacob: Me it's like a warm-up you know and like to where I'm if I'm hanging out with my musician buddies they won't even look you know so it's incredibly it's really

[00:48:54] Rosetan: Weird so to answer your question I'm

[00:48:58] Jacob: Gonna have to go ahead and agree with

[00:49:00] Rosetan: Jake Wilson here and learn chords especially song as you know because for me that's what got me back into it was being able to play you know the intro to crazy train I'm like wow I feel like an actual guitar player now it feels nice

[00:49:17] Jacob: But definitely after you get comfortable

[00:49:21] Rosetan: With the feeling of the guitar in your hands your new guitar player spend a little time with theory don't be afraid of it's very intimidating at first but if you begin to understand music theory a little bit stuff starts to click you understand why you play the notes that you play and why they work honestly

[00:49:41] Jacob: There's so much useful stuff on YouTube

[00:49:44] Rosetan: I mean I just four hours so a lot of times what I'll do is as I'm just like diddling around I'll put on some sort of like something like type in music theory and see which one has a lot of views and it kind of looks a feeling hit play and watch it and just let it play like I feel like just learning about

[00:49:59] Jacob: It leads into wanting to learn more and like okay what do my fingers do next and it's like you subconsciously seem to start to understand it like what Eric was talking about earlier how stuff started to click when he was at home after the lesson like there's been

[00:50:16] Rosetan: Multiple times like you were saying like I spent a lot of time on YouTube now learning from guitar channels on YouTube

[00:50:23] Jacob: Because they're still obviously like

[00:50:26] Rosetan: Even if after I've been playing for 12 years there's still more to learn and there's there will be stuff to learn until I die or put the guitar away which

[00:50:35] Jacob: I don't think that'll happen but just

[00:50:38] Rosetan: Like they'll I'll be like watching these videos and they'll be hard and I'll get frustrated I'll put my guitar away for a little bit and then I'll pull it back out and be like oh that's why that's why I play those you know it's like you're working on it in the background the conscious reading guitar and he's like I learned it yet but I think by like next Thursday like whenever run out like whenever I'm listening to his song like I mean the song is going through my head but of course like my mind is just like instead of thinking if I'm thinking about the song I'm just like bouncing with the song you know like I'm either thinking about what I'm hearing which is probably just like hearing what I'm thinking you know that's a whole nother

[00:51:35] Jacob: Right totally told ya but you just kind of get to this point I don't know that whole approach of a cliff of what whatever drop-off that was kind of made me forget where we were headed with that one well we were just it's fine we were just actually going to round out advice for like a beginner then I'm really excited to hear what Eric has to say like somebody who is freshly picking up their first target

[00:52:02] Rosetan: Squire Eric has some advice about minor

[00:52:04] Jacob: Inversions some major sixth chords man yeah by from the get-go so this is

[00:52:13] Rosetan: Jessica walking through target to get her first guitar this is who you're talking to oh so wait don't go to target would you say that yeah my very first thing is do not go do not buy a department store guitar for your first instrument no the reason why I'm saying this is because it'll be painful to learn when it's time to restring that guitar which will be quickly after you open that box it comes

[00:52:38] Jacob: In it's baseboard wood it's plywood it's a it's literal it's not even a viable tone wood yeah bethi's and most

[00:52:47] Rosetan: Of those so it's so instead of

[00:52:50] Jacob: Spending 50 at Walmart or Target it is

[00:52:53] Rosetan: Worth spending ninety five to $100 at Guitar Center or on musician's friend to Squire that's what I started and if it's not what about and is there any local places that you recommend not anymore I mean III

[00:53:07] Jacob: Till's music has been you know III I do

[00:53:10] Rosetan: Recommend Till's in the sense I gets a local business and like I support local businesses but if you're starting I don't recommend spending that much money on your first guitar it's worth just it making it if you if you're if you're younger person starting you're asking for it for Christmas I mean the way that my dad did a lot of cool guitar shopping with me is he would take me down and we would spend a day goin a guitar shop so I would play some stuff this is after I'm a little more established though right and then he would get a feel for what I really liked and then he just get something that was like based off it you won't get anything that I played we could get something close to it and he like he's because he's still surprising exactly yeah so not my

[00:53:48] Jacob: Parents are incredible but whether or

[00:53:52] Rosetan: Not you have incredible parents the what you want to do to start when you playing guitar is you do not want to start with a crappy guitar you want to get a decent one doesn't have to be a phenomenal one but you want your first chord to sound good when it's successful second of all you need to be goal-oriented from the start so if your goal is to learn a song from your favorite artist then there's some things need to do towards that if your goal is to become a guitar player that's a

[00:54:19] Jacob: Different Avenue entirely and with that

[00:54:23] Rosetan: Avenue I immediately suggest that you get a guitar teacher and it does not have to be a super formal thing my guitar lessons were one half hour every week I'd walk over to teals music from Mark Morris high school I'd sit down they'd say hey we just drum some stuff he kind of correct me on some things we wouldn't really be hammering things too hard and let what a good teacher will fluctuate things will be a couple lessons where he's hanging out getting the vibe of you seeing like where he needs to start and like for me when I when I teach lessons I have a quick way to get two or two or three chords written on like a chord chart paper for them with the fingering that they're gonna take this home we're gonna easily be able to know we did at practice and look at that and they're gonna be able to strum these in time until I see them the next time and then I'll add something to that right and then and then with that you're building tools as a guitar player with those tools you can

[00:55:15] Jacob: Learn the songs from your favorite artist quicker so I did you know I was

[00:55:21] Rosetan: Kind of thinking about that how you can set out a song like you could be sitting

[00:55:28] Jacob: There and you could be finding out a

[00:55:31] Rosetan: Really cool chord you're like this is intense I'm gonna send this to my

[00:55:36] Jacob: Student and then this like because you've shown me some pretty intense stuff you're like yo check this out blant land lampblack and it's like I mean like sometimes I can do stuff like that but then I can never repeat it because I look at it and I'm like I don't have the patience to find out what I just did and so but imagine something that to a student who's like this is canon this is Lord and they're like I have to learn this and then suddenly like that becomes their dad and that like they're there 12 bar blues is this **** immense evolution that you had by just like setting them a goal do you think that's beneficial as a teacher though I like to start with that sort of like intensity here's like I've okay like I've played with people like I've

[00:56:28] Rosetan: Played with people because like I'm a decent guitar player like I've played with people and I watch them play and I'm like wow you are light years ahead of me in like guitar playing like I would have to practice for years like put my fingers through the fretboard daily and practice hard with a mission like what Eric talked about earlier to have this goal for yourself whatever that goal may be to get to the point where you are or like as if you were to teach guitar would you rather be

[00:56:59] Jacob: Like all right here's an E major and here's an a major like what do you think or do you want to be like here's how

[00:57:06] Rosetan: You're teaching and I guess because everybody has a different goal I mean like even between the three of us like as much as like this current like combination is like something that we like really enjoy I'd like to be a part of and feed into it's like individually like we represent different

[00:57:28] Jacob: Facets you know of musicality and that's what's so cool about it and realistically I think we'd all fall much more into that and then you know about

[00:57:41] Rosetan: The very first lesson the way especially for kids I always tell parents the first lesson is always free because you want to make sure that this kid really wants to do this and that's why I'm gonna take the time to make sure it's a half hour in that half hour I will be able to tell you if this kid really wants to I'll ask the kids straight up did you die by that guitar for you yeah did your dad way you take lessons mm-hmm you will take lessons okay I guess so okay you should

[00:58:05] Jacob: I mean if he wants to do it next lesson that's fine but if not don't worry about it you know stuff like that and then the other thing to you is with the goals like i9y at the time a nine year old now she oh she's probably middle school now she I

[00:58:22] Rosetan: Taught her some basics of guitar and I

[00:58:26] Jacob: Just kind of like fizzled out and stuff I don't think I think eventually I didn't follow through at some point looking back at it but from but from

[00:58:34] Rosetan: The very beginning I like I was having her dude downstrokes and I was showing her chords where she can move just a couple fingers at a time but it's doing two chord changes that would make her verbally count 1 2 3 4 1 2 3 so already in her infancy and in the beginning stages of music she has an internal metronome right because these are these are tools that I was shown at a pretty young age where I thought if I were to learn that even younger Wow would have been quite incredible right so that kind of goes back to what I was saying is like I really wish somebody would have told me about music theory when I was like even like 16 it's like I didn't even know it was a thing until I was 20 maybe well there's a huge misconception of what music is I know what music is as a whole like to the general population and then to musicians oh definitely did you just hear a song by Katy Perry like wow Katy Perry made a really good song it's like she didn't

[00:59:37] Jacob: Hearken back to what I was talking about

[00:59:39] Rosetan: Earlier how like and in this current generation people are kind of looking at music as a social tool like it's kind of

[00:59:48] Jacob: This point of allure and like oh if I can have all the right factors like that you know that kind of be you know which is cool I love it but why is everyone kind of like **** it up yeah you know where are we shooting for **** that isn't us why is it good you

[01:00:07] Rosetan: Know it is like that would have been a great song except and there's a lot of

[01:00:12] Jacob: Like yet like younger like in high

[01:00:15] Rosetan: School for me every kid wanted to be in a band and play guitar and stuff and now it's a lot quicker to like to like rap over a beat really fast and upload it I get that because there's nothing better than showing someone something that you made to show something that you

[01:00:34] Jacob: Made friendship will send each other **** in our group message of course yeah like it but at this point this points a little extended sermon I'm trying to like no but I'm saying it's okay but you gotta watch it I'm saying you got it you got a notice it dude it's not it's not great to like function your whole career off it right what I said no you were talking about just hey look what I made how good that feels all right yeah and that in the end that's and that and that's phenomenal and stuff but to chase after you know it's also

[01:01:08] Rosetan: Important to know like if life actually looks like let's say you show your friends if the your first song ever and they go oh the first time you've ever done anything that's awesome they're gonna they're gonna do that then a very common misconception this is I'm diagnosing this from my history I want to be clear I'm not making fun of anyone for their doing I am diagnosing these things because I have done them myself then it is really easy to crank out a lot more stuff and release everything that you make and show everyone all the time though you gotta hear it and then you're gonna notice that less and less people are engaging there's a few reasons for this in my opinion one of the reasons is it's

[01:01:49] Jacob: Kind of music vomit at this point you

[01:01:52] Rosetan: Need to like in the world of like

[01:01:55] Jacob: Do like if I were to post every single like it that's like posting every single bit like time I'm just trying to jam you know okay so like there's a difference between having a lot of music and making a big deal about every piece of music because it's like if you every once in a while really feel passionately and you said kind of like mission goals for yourself on a timeline of like oh every so-and-so songs because I'm on a frequency of making a lot of songs you know like I'm gonna make this one important and then people are gonna follow up and they're gonna see what precedes it or what succeeds it and it's like I think that's the problem I feel like people don't put enough space

[01:02:33] Rosetan: Between what they think is a big deal

[01:02:35] Jacob: And I think there's a lot of hype

[01:02:38] Rosetan: Culture every time you release a song this song has to be the biggest part that did not used to be there I love you think everything is the best and it's like yeah okay it's okay to make something and be like hey is this why I did today we're confused about it though it's like we think we need to get exactly what we got the first time and something I've done or maybe we've all done hey I'm very guilty of it right because I open the problem with doing that is that you're feeding into that unnecessary competitive nature of it where it's like the only reason to hide yourself up is because you see something and you want and you want like camera I

[01:03:18] Jacob: Was saying that well okay but I think what you're rounding about something I've mentioned a little bit before garyvee actually talked about this thing about I've used this analogy like so you post five things on Instagram you have you know the four of them they do crappy like they're but like one in two they're like you like they're your soul like they're what you're good at like they're and then the other things are just like you're like I wonder if people will like these and then so your one and two are the most you but number four that gets ****

[01:03:50] Rosetan: Five million views that number four and

[01:03:54] Jacob: It's you dancing on spinning on your head like it's something that you don't really do but it's so the thing that people like a lot the thing that gave people like oh shoot you guys like that's what you really like a lot like what if that's not authentically you I think that's like I think that like when it's like you can put out say like hey all five of these things are things that I want to experiment with but like if the public picks we

[01:04:22] Rosetan: Only like number four you might say okay number one and two I thought were me but they're trash right along with this point and the this is why Rosetan for me what do you mean instead of the public

[01:04:36] Jacob: Like I have people that are closed creators to me that I can bounce these ideas off of now I think the biggest thing with me what like even my Instagram handle for like years Eric Nordine music I trashed that crap

[01:04:48] Rosetan: Because I'd sold sounds shitty but it's also ambient boy for the win that's right that's why I am in my heart two eyes in reality like in

[01:04:59] Jacob: Real life I know but like but creating music by myself got me in an unnecessary and an unnecessary competitive race

[01:05:11] Rosetan: Where like I was looking at other people creating and stuff near or distant and the people from past people

[01:05:20] Jacob: From far and I'm thinking like okay then like I got a ramp up for this next thing and realizing that being in like

[01:05:29] Rosetan: Your entire own lane and creating a

[01:05:32] Jacob: Community around that Lane and making I mean honestly the impact we've had on the community and our three local shows has been great the fact we've been able to fill three rooms with people that locate so we had one show and that was great for schedule coming about right yeah we don't know keep going on that though yeah okay so this for me what a big thing for me is that like is that I

[01:06:02] Rosetan: Like I like that self-gratification thing that's an arms race musically we talked all night you touched on the earlier I literally quit guitar for two years to start DJing because I saw like how much people like liked you and stuff and I was like oh no one notices me because I'm playing guitar so I have to become a DJ and so I

[01:06:20] Jacob: Tossed years of schooling and like

[01:06:23] Rosetan: Something that I was like really good at and sacrificed it for something else and then got lost in all the wrong things and that kind of a scene mainly like narcotics and stuff like that like just like making a lot of selfish deceitful choices and then after a while you have some problems and whatnot and that's not everyone in that scene that is unfortunately what became me in that scene I just didn't I didn't have good self control and then with that

[01:06:46] Jacob: Became trying to make beats and doing

[01:06:49] Rosetan: Stuff like that and even then I'm struggling with a lot of insane mental health issues I'm depressed I'm constantly anxious even as a creator i'm not finding peace and music and you're staying a play and there's lots more everything yep a-and you're not treating yourself right be clear I'm not sure I'm feeling myself like necessary right now but I'm doing a lot better and I think be the reason why bro stands because I needed to change I wanted to change myself musically and so I thought rebranding myself as an individual would be that and then I realized that like you know I used to be in bands I was in a band called telegraphy before this an instrumental post rock band I played in bands in the

[01:07:27] Jacob: Seattle and Portland and stuff and the community of that the camaraderie of those people the consistent checking in the talking to each other every day even though even if you don't see each other every day the someone to talk to no

[01:07:43] Rosetan: Matter what the goal-oriented as a team

[01:07:46] Jacob: Wanting something wanting to make emotional music and make people feel something unexpected or they came and they did want that they did expect it and they got it you know it all that kind of stuff being able to do that is probably it's cool that we filled in at the end of the year cuz it's easily the highlight of 2019 for me already the

[01:08:07] Rosetan: Last the last three months of 2019 the start of this band is undoubtedly for me as an individual the highlight of my year because it because these guys have given me a reason to be consistent in my personal life where it's like I need to I need to work hard at work I need to be a good man there I need to improve myself when I work for Parks and Rec I need to be more patient when I Drive so I'm safer when I travel with my friends I want I we did a we did a

[01:08:36] Jacob: Weekend trip together and stuff because I wanted to know what would be like to travel with them because we're about to do that and you know you just can't want

[01:08:44] Rosetan: To know what you write long drive long

[01:08:47] Jacob: Drive and just you know I just think

[01:08:53] Rosetan: For me being in a band gave me a

[01:09:00] Jacob: Much-needed sense of self-worth in an

[01:09:03] Rosetan: Area of music where there's not a lot of eyes or ears but the ones that

[01:09:12] Jacob: Are there are like so intentional and that's like the connection that I need because the music that I'm writing is not something like I am foliat terms like it may not be for everybody right and so far it's been inherently like Burley sad music and stuff and that's just something that I have it's not that sad I mean it's I mean nature of it of course is sad but it's like right it's like this has more emotion than what we're I just feel like I don't want someone to be like I'm not gonna listen to their music

[01:09:44] Rosetan: Right but just from a place where I came from and writing it came from like an inherently sad area and like word now it's like January 3rd I'm excited to like what we're gonna play a new song for the first time well yeah basically when we rehearsed it a lot last rehearsal and it's something where I was like I have to write about like go into I go to the beach all the time and we did a beach trip together and I want and my parents always took me to Fort Stevens I got like put that in the song right I got to put other details in my life and I got to stop talking about life as it's happening at me and I should be I needed to change the narrative as a lyricist which is an area that I have not I'm very new to writing lyrics like my music has been instrumental for almost a decade so you know this is all very new is singing it's like I say inquire mark Morris but singing is not something I'm very I'm confident in at all but it's something but it's the way that like makes this feel that good to me will do then yeah

[01:10:42] Jacob: Yeah I think that I think that just watching a lot of your progress like I've known you as a friend like we got connected through the DJ world yeah so I knew you at your worse yes you know like into in now like wonderfully I get to know you at your best to again I do want to emphasize though like you weren't some sort of like demon back then or something like you definitely you certainly were just that you've always been a wonderful person you just we're a little caught up in your vices and you're trying to get some attention because you know as much as we're always trying to get attention you know that's it's a huge thing in DJ world is a quick tip to get it man you guys especially when the way was not strong with it to like you know and when I was super happy to have you and it's cool because you know we look at these things out I was super happy to have you like because you were actually very good at DJ like you think that you like didn't contribute that much but you're pretty good at DJ but I think that it's

[01:11:37] Jacob: Also really strange and fun to look at these times now and think of like if you didn't do that thing where you did the DJing thing for a while right in and you did learn quite a bit like on Mabon beat

[01:11:47] Rosetan: Making and stuff

[01:11:48] Jacob: Yeah and in we like now are our pass head cross so it's just interesting you know it's just I like to point these little things out because I feel like as a listener if it's just kind of like sometimes you don't realize that when you're in the **** when you're in the mud it's like you gotta keep going because you're learning something right now right you know like it like maybe somebody's in there like their DJ phase of being an ambien person you know what I mean you know could be your mother hey you're looking a little like a DJ man are you alright hey you're like backwards into this I know it's too boring joggers for like nine days

[01:12:27] Rosetan: Crossfading a little too much alright

[01:12:32] Jacob: Guys okay that's enough this has been the junkyard left podcast no but it's a

[01:12:44] Rosetan: Good point though with the past like I think the past is still necessary because sometimes I look back and I go oh I wish I could have changed this or that and this goes for more than music this goes like personal life stuff there's constantly you look back and you go I coulda shoulda woulda all the time

[01:12:57] Jacob: But constantly okay but right and that's

[01:13:00] Rosetan: Been my that's been my biggest mental enemy and I think it's also been misdiagnosed depression I think I think

[01:13:09] Jacob: I call it depression and I don't thing MN sleeve through real depression and I realize that maybe it's you know I think it's smaller nobody talked about this later with mental health and stuff I think as a whole we misdiagnosed anxiety and depression eyes like filtered on depression right like we don't feel like the pressures really general because look at what a depression is it's like cuz you sort of

[01:13:32] Rosetan: Slice between depression and going through a depression and being depressed and visited prayer and there's a difference between having anxiety and being anxious we don't know how to separate ourselves from our feelings in an actual reality when we're going about our days we don't know how to separate that so when we diagnose issues we can't rationally and on the same line separate our feelings from ourselves we can't say oh we're

[01:14:01] Jacob: We're beyond this identity you know like

[01:14:03] Rosetan: The there's no medical identity for that

[01:14:07] Jacob: Because it's not a recognized and I want to say just honestly I think all four of us can probably just say like a amen to that like just going through it man don't just become depress and can't do anything like I could expand it man you can expand it and see what it is Jake as a as a chick Wilson has a

[01:14:26] Rosetan: Really good way of poetically speaking like there's been numerous times when we're down here we put the guitars down for a minute and we're just talking as friends and then like Jake will say something and then it takes us all like what seems like 20 seconds plus they just kind of sit back and digest what he

[01:14:48] Jacob: Just said and we're like wow how long have you been sitting on that like have you been like long-ass **** time probably just like and that comes back to what I was talking about earlier is how it just we're not strictly

[01:15:05] Rosetan: Together in this roast and thing for music yeah no III think I think Rose ten

[01:15:12] Jacob: Is more of like and that's the other thing too is like it's more than music like we're collaborating with a visual artist consistently - I really got to talk about this yeah say let's talk about the community I was thinking of Rosanna's kind of like a Brock Hampton if you think about like not wholly but Brock Hampton was like they're a bunch of **** who are just like you're the videographer your part well I mean we'll talk about okay I'll explain it out so I the community of bros dance the exact an exact thing like that would be boney bear like Justin Vernon I listen to that podcast broken record podcast with Rick with Rick Rubin and that was really great and there's also other things basically bony bear is like it's a six

[01:15:54] Rosetan: Person live band but it's a 25-person

[01:15:58] Jacob: Art project right here 28 some like that so visual

[01:16:04] Rosetan: Artists painters animators digital artists that like are doing weird audio stuff beyond music like how do these people get paid that's my biggest question because if I knew the answer to that then I would hop on it the answer

[01:16:22] Jacob: Is eventually I think I think that goes

[01:16:27] Rosetan: Back to that a great mentor up north that I face for every once in awhile and here in mind and he had the biggest quote that he told me maybe a few months ago which was also ironically had a turning point for Rosetan which was like why did you start in the first place okay and that's why going back to taking guitar lessons you need to make

[01:16:47] Jacob: Sure you want this in the first place and in my opinion to make sure he wants it for the right reasons and you guys set it up with the right teachers because it all connects down the line this like we as humans if there's childhood trauma it affects us as adults it can mess like there can be you know some things ask you in the beginning of the music stuff it will come up as an issue later but you may not feel it in the mid point but it will come up so it's just better to take care of basic music things early on got everyone to look at it sure and you know I just think you know so this is go back to the bonny bear artist community so that was something I really admired okay there's a little bit and that there's a way my friend sai-san he does this incredible visual art where he that there's

[01:17:31] Rosetan: No way to describe and I think his Instagram handles just add a sigh son with an underscore at the end of it sy som dude it's interesting it's bizarre I don't Kellyanne Sydow left one of his a chalk drawings on there for like a week oh he oh she kept it up there huh result her for like a week oh so he came back the next week after he did that I was still there oh that's right at Rose a tan in the middle yeah but I think the

[01:18:02] Jacob: Big thing is like with him he doesn't

[01:18:06] Rosetan: Have any like formal training with stuff

[01:18:09] Jacob: And he and there's also not really a genre what he's doing I would call like it's abstract at best - giving him a name but he just listens to music and he goes he

[01:18:22] Rosetan: Mainly only draws when listening and I think that's really powerful and so like that's why I want to work with him and him doing like a live canvas during one of our sets right that's why he's been practicing canvas painting recently is because he wants to well I would like him to in a situation where we're like where we're playing our set and he's off

[01:18:41] Jacob: To the left and it's like a corner of white sheets on a canvas he's just gonna paint during that set at the end of it that's that's that's the end of it you don't get to change that right just like we like for us like performing like you leaving it there you know ever every performance has been wildly different so every crowd gets like that's four you know that I was I

[01:19:03] Rosetan: Was a I was actually listening to like this stuff that we have on Bandcamp just like in preparation for our like I like to compare what's on Bandcamp right now to what we play like live and during practice and how it's different and how it's the same picking up on stuff that I think like we do we do really well and stuff that's like wow that's different in the way we do it live alright that's different that's the way in the recording and I think it's really special like anybody who's ever been to one of our live shows or let me put it this way anybody who's ever been to two of them got a different show absolutely

[01:19:41] Jacob: Both times like they didn't hear

[01:19:44] Rosetan: The same song the same way two times

[01:19:47] Jacob: What's interesting is like the influence and we've talked about this between like practicing at a Stevens house practicing with Jack at Stax and Stevens AG is a

[01:20:01] Rosetan: Marvelous man fantastic guy he's really kind he kind of gave me my start personally just like it could quick-quick for sure hold on to that thought and don't lose it like for sure don't lose it he gave me my start at my first open mic at 15 and he has always encouraged me to record and stuff and he kind of gave me the year and

[01:20:19] Jacob: The sense of organic abstract stuff like he kind of helped cultivate my brain in here oh yeah but yeah no he's a great guy and just been very generous and like the same sense that uh Jake Ryan sighs and just like giving Rosa Tanner a chance to just be like hey come here mm-hmm and just like hang out you know like I'm here too but let's just see how this works and I think like Steven offered like

[01:20:50] Rosetan: A lot of like really technical advice at first which was really cool it's really helpful especially is like guitar

[01:20:57] Jacob: Players and he's got like the amps all set up and he's got the mics all set up he's like how do you feel about this baba wawa and he's got like a blah back for you oh you're like wow I'm glad

[01:21:11] Rosetan: The blahs all sound the same

[01:21:15] Jacob: Grunting at each other like yeah it means so much more you know it a lot of unorthodox things noise it's cool and as I don't know I think it's cool just being able to work with people you know

[01:21:34] Rosetan: Who are just outside of that band thing once again oh you know where it's like that they're not playing the instrument but they're like remember the band like Jake or Steven or you know I

[01:21:46] Jacob: Mean like talus because we

[01:21:48] Rosetan: Were talking about arts with the kids

[01:21:51] Jacob: And how she creates these amazing visual arts for us that are that are just fantastic and like and there was one picture I want to touch on that she made and it was of a model Cheyenne leave

[01:22:09] Rosetan: This fantastic person as well but she's

[01:22:11] Jacob: Holding an apple in her hand and the shape of the Apple in her hand with the way her arms are holding it looks like an AR I was like ooh that's a rose a tan yeah if it was intentional or not like if you've if you've been to the roast and Instagram page like that that's what most of it is and just like all the stuff she created is just like so incredible and I actually got the privilege to meet her a few weeks ago and she was just like such a cool person to like I had I

[01:22:46] Rosetan: Had only seen her artwork and like kinda this goes back to community I had only seen her artwork and so I was like a little bit starstruck sure when I met her cuz I was just like wow like I've been following your stuff forever you did all this incredible stuff for the band and like it's so cool to meet you and she was just so humble about it she's like well awesome and that was that was the same with the Wildish band from the area **** obsessed with the wilder said yes what's the wildest you can hear both of those bands at Ashton brewery January 11th that's gonna be the last time we played together it was something that our first two shows were together so it's something super special oh yeah and anyway but keep going yeah

[01:23:37] Jacob: Yeah and like back with them like coming back to the whole community thing like working with other artists like as an

[01:23:44] Rosetan: Artist like guitar player myself musician like I honestly looked up to

[01:23:49] Jacob: These Wildish guys for so long I was like I was like I was like damn like this good of music can come out of my

[01:23:58] Rosetan: Hometown like are like and it gave a lot of hope to me like at some point that I could find a group of people you're gonna do it man like Eric Nordine and Jake Wilson like I could find a group of people and we could create and of course Jake Ryan's over here to create such good

[01:24:14] Jacob: Music and then we approached our first

[01:24:17] Rosetan: Show and we played with them and then I was like oh my god looks like it's you

[01:24:22] Jacob: Guys it's you for real like I didn't even realize cuz they were just like friends like we were just hanging out I'm like that's one of my favorite

[01:24:31] Rosetan: Things about like I mean laundry music scene is so funny because it's so small so disorganized but when it's the thing is the thing and then when it breaks down it really breaks down you see the people because they're not celebrities but I mean like I mean in a small town everyone knows each other and you just kind people doing like crap that person does

[01:24:53] Jacob: That you know cuz I've been there too and it's really cool when you kind of get up front with them and like you get to know them and if you like them or you don't you just realize that like this is this is the movement that's happening like these people are part of what's happening and it is so much better so much better when you find out that they're just friends if they just hang out like after our first show we just straight up afterwards we all just hung out and had

[01:25:26] Rosetan: Fun as people and as friends it was wonderful to just like it's just like watching those guys like get off the stage and just having people and like myself included just be awestruck at the beautiful sounds they'd created and then like we're talking as friends afterwards and like we just put all that aside like I was just like totally different totally unreal experience and dude hey I think that we have something truly beautiful here with the town like ours right we have it is a small town certainly you know the Kelso Longview

[01:26:06] Jacob: Castlerock Kalama woodland like it's all kind of like you know calots County but it's there's all kind of like it's a small town but it's huge like it's big and it's right between those it's right between Portland and so we do kind of have like an intense small town or like the ultimate small town right like where the word the popular small town and I

[01:26:26] Rosetan: Think that being like doing what you

[01:26:29] Jacob: Guys are doing by literally just being

[01:26:32] Rosetan: Genuine like up from the bottom II hearts people just exploring what you're exploring it's really creating this like

[01:26:39] Jacob: Reach of communities so you guys talking about - Lissa and slicin and in working with me and working with Steven attack and working with all these people is you're kind of bringing up the community with you and Eric you were in the DJ scene for a while and so you were also dipping into the hip-hop scene so you know how a lot of the DJ and the hip-hop scene it is inherently whether they realize all the time or not it's kind of versus not we're together yeah this thing this thing is the most authentic like real it's really like you feel you're just watering it and it's bringing people with you and it's I think like the importance speaks for itself and you guys getting like all this like this huge toy you're about to go on that not huge tour but look local being enjoyable like hey here's what we're doing with our life right now it's so good like we have moments where we text on the group message like every couple days at least one of us is like you know if I can love you guys like it's great I mean this I think that

[01:27:37] Jacob: Reaching for these things like look at your community stop looking so far on social media you know listener musician

[01:27:44] Rosetan: Please like just look at what's around you look at the awesome dude you have next to you the chicks you have next to you the people who are good at this thing and that thing just start combining I'm like hey you're a videographer can you come over and like teach me a couple things don't teach you something about music and whatever and you start making things together we all have these little communities we forget about because we're like let's look on the internet and who's the hottest cuz I won't work with it's so important that people like look at it that were in that position because people look so dependently on the internet and like I feel like people feel empowered to do their own thing without knowing what their own thing is by being fed so much

[01:28:21] Jacob: Input you know and I it's distracting because I get it myself and like it's probably because I had an idea of what I was doing before I was exposed to so much internet you know I was

[01:28:34] Rosetan: Definitely involved in music and playing guitar and being like yeah before

[01:28:39] Jacob: **** MySpace even came around you know and like that was that dolly this

[01:28:44] Rosetan: Was huge for music to the seventh grade I was in it like I was I was like

[01:28:51] Jacob: Putting these emo bands like under oath

[01:28:54] Rosetan: Was definitely in my top 14 friends they weren't they weren't in my top eight friends but I was like in eighth grade and I was like Alan need two rows cuz

[01:29:04] Jacob: I'm too cool for that you know what's dope about my listeners as they know my space my ages like they had five my space hmm what a weird thing you know because like it definitely came around and like people are I was like Tom came and did I don't know nothing about that guy I just know that Justin Timberlake was it a huge factor in

[01:29:26] Rosetan: Getting MySpace yeah he's bought it he bought it and tried to revive it and then I went bring sexy back tried to in

[01:29:34] Jacob: The Grammys failed going back to the community thing though you know the

[01:29:39] Rosetan: Community thing with Rosetan is that's also bigger than like what's happening with Rosetan and the Rose team content this is also something that's continuing with like the people that we play with

[01:29:49] Jacob: Right our next show we have david

[01:29:51] Rosetan: Robbins who's the frontman for alpine grace they're a great local band what I'm more excited for because I play with him before I've heard him a bunch I know this talent but this guy Mason the Mason John is playing and he's someone that I saw playing like in bands he was older than me in high school great personality guy I've honestly never seen him but such an admirable person and in a just great supporter yeah I would agree with that and then like and so and he and we just kind of started chatting he's come like all of our shows he comes and seen in sees me play like solo guitar in places and he's always been so supportive now I was like you still playing man like let's get you up there again right that's community right like what's a long time I do of course I want any and he's like absolutely man like definite let's do that and I think that's like a really important thing at any point where you have like exclusivity I feel like you're shunning

[01:30:48] Jacob: Like community because if your judgment

[01:30:52] Rosetan: Can determine like what's exclusive or

[01:30:55] Jacob: Inclusive then how is that a community you know I think I and one

[01:30:59] Rosetan: Thing that I truly believe is like the best way for us to have success as a band as a Rosetan is to have our community and to have other artists behind us and for us to be behind then if they want to be successful right that's the only way it's gonna happen if someone like for us to get booked at the McMinn immense venues and for us to get greenlit by so far sounds we had

[01:31:21] Jacob: I had to have musical references I had to tell I had to tell them who I have played with individually to give to give merit as to why my and is worthy of playing those places right kind of freaky so what do you do what do you say I my past thankfully is filled with I'm it's not worth the name dropping but like my past is fill with some really cool people and give that through down that list and it's that list is a pretty visa is

[01:31:52] Rosetan: Unfortunately a pretty quick green light in those conversations because we go oh you've done serious stuff but the music that they even reached out to you from so was it so far sounds that found you guys on band campers there was something where how'd you guys what is so far sounds actually oh so far sounds of something what that would I was hired to play guitar for a singer out of Brooklyn playing some music that like is just not my style right but it's a gig right like being successful in music doesn't mean like you as an individual are busting out numbers being successful music is having consistent work in my opinion and so I do a lot of gigs as I play guitar for other people a lot and she was doing a so far sound show and I am an ambient guitar player by nature and stuff and so I introduced a lot of things like that and she wanted to do a boney bear

[01:32:40] Jacob: Version of I don't wanna lose your love by the outfield and that's where I got the idea for one of our Arrangements too and I just really let the whole crowd have it there as far as my effects go

[01:32:56] Rosetan: And my abilities I news and my chance to really prove myself in front of a lot of musicians it's a band touring through Germany that was headlining so I just a lot of people that I wanted to really show like I'm talented to write this is this is where all of that schooling all that learning from good teachers all those hours of practice it's four times like that how do you find the right moment to do that cuz that's also another art right finding the right moment to show off you know oh let me flirt with you a little bit but I'm just here for the gig Yeah right

[01:33:24] Jacob: I think the maturity comes with the more you play you know when the space is yours it's really hard to explain that's another conversation but specifically who watched them you can watch it yes absolutely oh you can deftly watch it happen on stage it's communicating yeah it's a blast man and it comes kind of natural especially when you play with people more right now with this thing it's to hire musicians and a singer we added an hour of rehearsal in that afternoon and they were going through and playing this set but the owner of this so far sounds it's like they're in every major city around the world they 400 in some something cities in the world okay and every week like in Portland every Wednesday there's a live secret show somewhere so you buy a ticket online and then the day of the show you get sent a text or an email with the address of where that show is and that's where you go you don't know who the artists are you don't know anything about it and it's a way to get unknown artists and traveling artists work while touring through cities between shows or that is their tour it's just it's the whole idea is community

[01:34:25] Jacob: Right now this is where I get I learned from this so put that to the side okay the booking

[01:34:31] Rosetan: Agent for so far Portland offered me her contact info to me as an individual she's like the episode niece all this stuff and she usually they talked about something about roast and I was like and that it wasn't even performed at this point I was like yeah I coos - JP that we did know it wasn't even done yet oh I just had that it Instagram page with 20 followers and a couple weird auto-tune songs so I was like yeah but it's not this I mean yeah I have something but I will soon I will soon right so there's always been motivation to get this done because someone had a quote of high level quality of booking was like I want whatever you have okay yeah right so it's like okay I better put that together okay and so fast forward to a

[01:35:14] Jacob: Few weeks ago I sent out like 40 something emails and one was to her and then also going through the so far sounds process of you know getting verified there and whatever they do there it's like they do a lot of quality control like not everyone plays which is it which is something I really enjoy like they say if you don't hear within 14 days you can reapply in six months because that way they you can't spam then make me miss does the same thing if they pass on you don't knock on their door for another six months because that also encourages you can get better you can get better why not I like them that's a simple policy that can set such a foot down quality control is the most important thing in all levels of content that people are drastically ignoring there is a learning curve and learning curves are necessary and every artist goes through them but qual you can try being a part of some major production things where I was the fly on the wall or the smallest piece of it your perspective of quality because I

[01:36:13] Rosetan: Want to know what you're controlling

[01:36:15] Jacob: Yeah so I think I think I think you

[01:36:19] Rosetan: Would agree like you know when guitar sounds good or bad yeah right so quality controls to be being like no I don't want that in the final recording just

[01:36:28] Jacob: Like cutting the fat off right yeah

[01:36:32] Rosetan: Choosing to have talus ax do our photos for the Instagram page rather than me because if I did then they baby pictures

[01:36:41] Jacob: Of ham ROS ham but the

[01:37:01] Rosetan: Quality that's white Alice did like our first like it did a run of photos for us because I wanted it I wanted to

[01:37:10] Jacob: Present ourselves at a level of like you know and it takes seeing something at a certain level to understand why something could be a certain way and maybe how it functions so I get that not everyone has that luxury or opportunity that's why I take the stuff and I'm very grateful for the stuff and the people I've been around and so that's why I like I want to take that stuff that I learn and put that forward into what we're doing that's it finally

[01:37:33] Rosetan: Makes sense now because since day one

[01:37:36] Jacob: I've heard you talk about quality

[01:37:39] Rosetan: Control a little sterile as a brand new

[01:37:48] Jacob: Bandmate as somebody just getting into the I wouldn't say the Arctic face it guys I've been and have been in the art for 12 years now the majority of my life somebody just getting into like the

[01:38:00] Rosetan: Meat and the potatoes of what it means to be a good guitar player like real in real-life situations you know

[01:38:06] Jacob: I've heard the words quality control a lot and I'd be like does that mean not playing wrong notes or what does that mean do you guys remember that scene in the office where like they're asking Creed

[01:38:20] Rosetan: They're like what do you do he's like

[01:38:23] Jacob: Quality Auschwitz

[01:38:25] Rosetan: I mean Quality Assurance the Halloween

[01:38:36] Jacob: Episode that was like that was like a great coincidence or like where his

[01:38:50] Rosetan: Characters I swear to god he's actual

[01:38:55] Jacob: Creed my favourite Creed like moment

[01:38:57] Rosetan: He's like I'm going mung beans sprouting mung beans my great my favorite Creed moment is hold me now I'm six feet from

[01:39:13] Jacob: The edge I didn't finish my point about community I think it's one of the most important points I have to material podcast you guys are gonna hop in on that but let's go back community yeah

[01:39:27] Rosetan: So the with the community thing so we got to quality control because of like people that I want to play with right community also goes along with that wanting to become friends with the wild is already being friends with you and then me personally I already knew a lot of members of the wild ish and like

[01:39:44] Jacob: Either going to schools and we're playing music in their past in a past life with enom stuff like really nice you know just awesome dudes so wanted to play with them knowing that they're from here knowing that they're a part of this community and their roots okay David

[01:39:59] Rosetan: Robbins and his band Alpine Grace Castle Rock rooted spread throughout calyx county rooted father local musician there's some heritage there right he has a sense of duty as a local musician to like he like he kind of knows the process of things and is david robbins yeah and in his

[01:40:21] Jacob: Performance and stage presence is it is great songwriting is actually really

[01:40:27] Rosetan: Really incredible to be honest there they have a new song called batman do and it's actually really good a super good man i really recommend it get mad 70s vibe that's really good man they like what just which is like i yeah it in that and that's just something that's why i'm excited i have david robbins there do some solo acoustic stuff they like to see what he can do you like when he just like he's like and then like take in and like for future shows you like so we played our first show together right and then like the second she'll take one of the one of those guys with me and the third she'll take another guy from that first show and take him with us right or I can Ellensburg I have a friend that I lived with in the in downtown Bellevue

[01:41:03] Rosetan: And he's gonna open for us and that'll be a part of our community and we're going to insert ourselves and the Ellensburg music community and there is a good music community there because essential Washington University and a lot of artists apparently go there to retire which I didn't know and they have a couple of great venues there or they have oh three venues that are worth your time and money as a musician who's like can travel and so we're gonna play one this month and then we're gonna go back to allensburg and February and the point of that is that we met you this first time I want to make an impression we're gonna personal connections to where it's like if you like this now we'll be back next month guess who they're gonna bring their friends that didn't see us last time right and that's the sense of community like because you want your following to be a community you don't want your you don't like there's like one it's a variable thing where you get to meet them to here's something I can boil it down to which was a question I think about a lot is like

[01:41:54] Jacob: Like do you guys feel responsibility

[01:41:57] Rosetan: From status do you do feel

[01:42:01] Jacob: Responsibility from stature and what

[01:42:04] Rosetan: That elevation provides for you and what

[01:42:08] Jacob: People might expect from it like because I think about that a lot and maybe it's

[01:42:15] Rosetan: Unfortunate that it determines a lot of what I do but at the same time I don't

[01:42:24] Jacob: Know what do you guys think are you talking about holding yourself to standards publicly like I'm just thinking about like objectively thinking about how people look at people in our situation like hey you have

[01:42:39] Rosetan: A stature as someone who does this but it's like at the same time we're also people who are making opportunities for us so for ourselves and that makes me feel like I have a responsibility but I don't know where channel that responsibility and maybe it should be into enriching what I'm doing I talk

[01:43:00] Jacob: About me other way yeah absolutely jealous and I think I know what you mean so I think you are already doing it and what I mean is this I think what Eric was just explaining is that Eric has had a lot of mentors in his life and Jake

[01:43:16] Rosetan: Wilson you're you we didn't I don't think we've clarified you're also in the Wildish band yeah I was tan and was yeah

[01:43:22] Jacob: I think that kind of what Eric was getting at is exactly the answer to what you're saying it is by building this community in by hey we have this show here we're of course gonna bring this guy from our community I think by stepping up to the plate and saying hey we're gonna do our best so guys that are

[01:43:42] Rosetan: Underneath us or that are next to us

[01:43:43] Jacob: Right you know you definitely core of

[01:43:46] Rosetan: Course I mean the people who are

[01:43:49] Jacob: Gonna show building open as a headliner the community is that we're honored we're all yeah in a pool you know yeah

[01:43:58] Rosetan: But by me but by so Jake Wilson by you

[01:44:01] Jacob: By you going into Wildish or roasts and as you're 100% I'm gonna show up I'm gonna really do my thing that gives permission and that also builds the community of the people who are watching you people are gonna be on those next to you before you whatever to be like okay

[01:44:15] Rosetan: Jake Wilson showed out Eric Nordine showed out Jacob responsibilities

[01:44:21] Jacob: Absolute responsibility was to like my sense of responsibility was so I get this community going because like so in high school I'm sure you can remember this big even playing for a while right like in high school there was there were like some bands that were I doing stuff around here me there were some shows to go to it yeah exactly poorly there were venues there's Jesus where bands to go that was really easy yeah I was watching your old punk kid just like somehow Kenzie's

[01:44:49] Rosetan: Reads - world quesadilla factory open

[01:44:55] Jacob: Like we as a Merton for is open

[01:44:58] Rosetan: Offer from Indian Lakes up a freaking

[01:45:01] Jacob: Quesadilla factory like and then like let live was playing there a week later and then they stopped you know I

[01:45:09] Rosetan: Remember - world like I was too young

[01:45:12] Jacob: Good like cuz I'm a little bit younger than you guys so like I was too young to go there for like shows but like I love the place cuz they had a dope-ass arcade in there yeah listeners was a

[01:45:24] Rosetan: Burger bar arcade bar and they also had a small venue for local artists and they had a bunch of dope bands playing in there I'll never forget a there was a

[01:45:35] Jacob: Gamblers die broke show with see cats

[01:45:37] Rosetan: And horse was there and somebody I like

[01:45:42] Jacob: There was like sharded glass on the floor and somebody cut her foot and was like skanking the entire night and

[01:45:51] Rosetan: There's blood on the dance floor not like the bad kind not like the bad band from like 2011 not like the fit yeah yes oops is it past ten o'clock is this like

[01:46:07] Jacob: Late Night the late-night podcast okay listen this podcast we're just some

[01:46:15] Rosetan: Homies hanging out having a couple drinks we're just we're just kicking back we're this is a band I were a cop

[01:46:22] Jacob: [Laughter]

[01:46:26] Rosetan: We're just hanging out I a really a thing about this podcast though is people really do like that I get texts all the time I get messages all times like the authenticity we're just hanging out we're not we're not that's the thing about your band - is where you're not claiming to be anything crazy you know you're just you just like you there is moments where Eric of course you're noticing like oh we are mentors right like in wait it's like not that you're trying to responsibility that Jake Wilson I get it now that's the sense of responsibility so

[01:46:54] Jacob: Yes I do feel and I think we all we

[01:46:57] Rosetan: Already have a sense of responsibility individual we feel that by the people that you invite over from time to time who like by the random people you invite over to try to do something creative or just to hang out and to mess around on the stuff or the people that you take time to go hang on strim a few chords with and stuff like that right that is fulfilling your responsibilities to the music community by small actions just as like let's say just because my I have a long background and like courage stuff this is like your responsibility as a Christian is not to be like the best Christian in the world it's like these small acts of like goodness are like important and stuff and they did not make you a perfect person and it's not what validates you to get into heaven it's just like something that's like important to do as a person right which is like which is it which is outside of Christianity's I don't know I put faith on that you should just be doing good things and like I think if there's any

[01:47:47] Jacob: Any musicians listening to this or who

[01:47:51] Rosetan: Have seen us live or follow us on Instagram or bangtan band yeah Instagram cake or have just or just heard about us

[01:48:02] Jacob: Or whatever just one thing there's one

[01:48:08] Rosetan: Thing that I've learned from these guys and like from playing live and all that it's just like as a musician or as an artist or anybody sure your art man

[01:48:18] Jacob: Don't apologize for that is one

[01:48:24] Rosetan: Thing that eric has taught me and that Jake Ryan's has taught me and Jake Wilson has taught me is if you have something worth sharing don't sit on it man like share it sure especially like like I don't know I might have a right reasons for the right and the right

[01:48:40] Jacob: Reasons is a part of quality sterile statement but it's about that if you have something that's so important you want to share it like I get that you're

[01:48:48] Rosetan: Not gonna become the best guitar player in the world before you share it but like the people that like define success really early on in their music stages like people that like their first two Spotify releases a boom right they'd blow up it's because they knew the level of quality that had to put in for their first statement to make if you're showing it to audience make sure that it's ready for someone who's not your audience Wow that's another Jake will shot of people I can tell that's such that such that was that was a guy with like a reindeer and his hand out of five best part is I

[01:49:28] Jacob: Don't even remember what I said anymore

[01:49:33] Rosetan: But in all seriousness I think that's like that's our want and it's not about individual praise it's about but there's been a in County and Longview there's been on a hole in music

[01:49:47] Jacob: Where unfortunately uh you know there's been a couple of attempts to open venues by some churches and stuff I love their heart for wanting artists and use it to happen but art dies in a church in my opinion like that they're just like oh no I'm throwing it down this is like I've been I've been around it too much there's standards in a stranglehold of what you can and can't do when you perform in this building that we have done here and it's like so there's no place the artist can go and truly unapologetically do this there's a lack of desire to support those artists from those people it's waiting for

[01:50:20] Rosetan: People to support their cause and

[01:50:23] Jacob: That's dangerous like in a capitalist mindset it's not community I know that is socialism I said yeah I do you guys think that it is like you know it's not I mean on this podcast this podcast I really talk about like the I put my tinfoil hat on you know I talk about like do you have society's weirdness I'll make you a baby but do you guys feel like maybe like you know cuz you're all smart we all listen to a ton of podcast we all talk about like AI and aliens and all this cool stuff in society and whatever do you guys feel a little bit you guys feel a little bit of an obligation almost to like I don't know like you know we're talking about community a lot and I feel like you know until I really started talking about and started feeling it myself and started you know like being allowing myself to be a

[01:51:14] Jacob: Person in this community where I live you know like allowing myself to be like hey Jake it's okay that sometimes you know ya brush your teeth yet and you're walking down to the PIO box you know like to me I know that sounds silly I know that's not community but to me that's like a little bit it feels a little more like home to me to someone my upbringing little things like that make it feel like home yeah and I think that community is

[01:51:38] Rosetan: Built within each of us of course but there's an overlying structure that we're all building and I think that now more than ever is an important time for us to look at like hey our community

[01:51:50] Jacob: Thing because of all these new things all this internet and whatever is a little bit different than it used to be do you think community is amplified identity like identity like in multiple people or do you think it's more of just like multiple you know different people being able to make it work Jake let me go off that yeah so

[01:52:13] Rosetan: This whole time that we've been hanging out doing band stuff doing friends stuff

[01:52:19] Jacob: Eric has really been introducing to me the idea of community and so of you and so is Jake and like I at first I didn't know what it meant it was just a word you know community that's a group of people living together for a common goal whatever but I've gone out to eat with you guys gone to the store with you guys gone on walks gone did like our beach trip wonderful just like community to me it was like when we go in those

[01:52:48] Rosetan: Mom-and-pop restaurants and maybe they they throw in an extra fry for us or something like that and we just look them in the eyes and go wow I appreciate you thank you so much and ring in your fries there's an onion ring it Wow I appreciate you thank you so much even on the way out of your gas station after buying a Red Bull just being like hey I appreciate you hope you have a great day to me that's community yeah

[01:53:12] Jacob: Yeah see you're a person I think that it is very important I think that I mean we've extensively talked about community

[01:53:26] Rosetan: I think that the most important thing to narrow this down is its community is within all of us and it's all our responsibility every single-person if you're a human in this world the community that surrounds you whether that's the people immediately around you or the people on the internet that share the same things that you're into you know whether it's the band mates that you hang out with whether it's the people that are looking up to you whether it's the young kids whether it's the people who are same age as you who are in the same community you kind of have a responsibility so

[01:53:54] Jacob: I think just knowing that at all times you are whatever you're doing you're building a community what community you're gonna build definitely I want to touch on this um back to the community thing like you were just saying the oddest thing to me was

[01:54:09] Rosetan: After a couple shows that we've done

[01:54:11] Jacob: Some guys and girls that have never seen before in my entire life and this is not me being like big-headed or anything like that it's just like community things like they've taken the time to come up to me and be genuine be like hey I really like what you guys did up there that sounded good yeah and I would just be like instead of just really oh yeah I know just feeling oh thank you thank you maybe shake their hand give them a hug if they want it you know just be like hey thanks for coming out like that's awesome glad to meet you man and then just like just like being as roastin we talked about this a lot and just as like as Eric and Jake and Jake and Jake we talk about this a lot is just like being incredibly genuine up to the microphone you know that's incredibly silent is just the look on his face this edit is gonna take me a really long time being incredibly genuine as people and this goes back to buying a Red Bull at the

[01:55:20] Rosetan: Gas station and looking the person in

[01:55:23] Jacob: The eyes and maybe making more than small talk you know and to go off as

[01:55:28] Rosetan: Being genuine thing to tie it all the way back to I was saying about like getting your start honestly musically and stuff like I've made so many mistakes like the only reason why this feels good right now and why we're doing the right thing is because I've done the wrong thing constant oh yeah okay like like it's a learning curve it's a like this community is also a part of my personal maturity right one thing I

[01:55:50] Jacob: Think that a lot of people you know in my small teachings and I do like a little bit of coaching for a few people the huge jump for a lot of people is

[01:56:00] Rosetan: Realizing like that realizing that they

[01:56:04] Jacob: Can even improve right realizing

[01:56:08] Rosetan: Realizing that they're even in the place to where they can be like oh I am the mentor people are looking up to me that was that would be hard to see how

[01:56:17] Jacob: To improve because as creators we are spoiled in the sense that there's a gauge of good and bad and we're in a realm of talent ooh you know yeah I

[01:56:26] Rosetan: Could III I feel great sympathy towards people that don't have a creative outlet in this and not like a oh I feel so sorry but it's just like I don't know how I could cope with certain emotions without doing music and so they have to find it so that's why people find other mediums that are really well like other like it's not like some people do you like the adult water coloring books and stuff and like they have to do it every night like I know I think a couple of people I've been talking to about that over the weekend and stuff it's such a cool outlet defined by the way right something made me pick up a

[01:57:02] Jacob: Paintbrush for once but it's something that's like not too hard as far as like the skill level needed but you're getting something out and there's something about a creative medium no matter how low that scale is that really is processing something you know we have an inherent need to be creative and I think even like something like as to me like as a musician and like totally like I think it's like right brain like totally the artist feeling sort of mentality way of feeling up my human

[01:57:33] Rosetan: Experience like I even view construction workers

[01:57:38] Jacob: And architects as artists as well it's like that is that is their way yeah mathematical artist that is they're like like people who like fractal geometry like construction workers are doing no I don't think construction workers are there factors like theoretical math like it's not real like I'm gonna get like way far out here right now but like mute like music isn't

[01:58:05] Rosetan: Real like it is but it isn't right

[01:58:13] Jacob: Because listen to this because

[01:58:17] Rosetan: Because I can listen to a song and I'm like this is the greatest song that ever exists and Jake Wilson can listen to a song and be like this song **** sucks hey just like that I can look at a

[01:58:30] Jacob: Painting and be like this painting sucks dick and then Eric and look at the pain thing like oh this is my favorite painting of all time you know what I'm trying to say he's got a great way bottle for this though I watched a four-part jazz documentary at the age of 17 for the first two episodes were it's so important because it rooted something like I got a weird teenage age this is like when I watched claymation documentaries at age 17 like

[01:58:54] Rosetan: Like the first two episodes were about

[01:58:57] Jacob: These West Coast Swing guys where it's all about learning the tradition of something like you guys Teddy Coltrane you gotta learn that swing you got to stay home with that stuff right the East Coast in the other times they like and and you're like okay that's not nice and stuff like that and it's like well why like what white wire why are you guys so aggressive about what other people it's like this because everyone's saying they're artists and they're wrong and I say okay what's going on and in this guy in this interview goes look not everyone says any expression can be art and that's **** **** it's guys like smoking a cigarette and he's just like just heated right which is what all East Coast jazz musicians are like I feel like probably David Byrne you probably love that ****

[01:59:39] Rosetan: You I love David Byrne but he goes

[01:59:44] Jacob: Anyone he's like a baby like not all Expressionists are a baby crying in its crib is obviously expressing itself maybe **** to call that art a baby

[01:59:55] Rosetan: In his crib crying like I bet he's clearly expressing itself but you'd like that but and to be clear that's not how harsh I personally think of that I am quoting house how like a Gris this man was about

[02:00:08] Jacob: Corn yes if you like splattered paint on

[02:00:12] Rosetan: The baby I was going I in it and gave it cilantro

[02:00:19] Jacob: Toppings but didn't eat it no

[02:00:24] Rosetan: Just tempted you slightly yo Alan

[02:00:30] Jacob: Parsons Project took Edgar Allan Poe's the Raven with a vocoder back in like 1970 what ever since Ellen Parsons man you remember him from Austin Powers when a doctor evil says I call it the

[02:00:46] Rosetan: Alan Parsons Project yeah but that was a band man no I did that like I gave my grandma gave me an Alan Parsons Project vinyl it's the one with like the two ladies on it and they're like wearing veils over their faces I don't I don't know I don't know I listened to the album and it was really weird Alan process I'm sorry if you like Alan Parsons Project but to me I just didn't get it bro Alan Parsons he's a producer and he made some of the best albums for one he was an engineer Abbey Road Studios for like interesting 20 30 years of his career and he definitely did the Beatles and he also he did like the year of the cat and he made the eye of the sky and he did all that became yeah Rock listen guys to anybody listening to this if you ever meet Jake Wilson out in public he will put you on to some music you've never known existed but you will

[02:01:44] Jacob: Love it I mean like I've never even knew him and he will tell you he will tell you what year it was produced who wrote it who produced it and you will love it

[02:01:53] Rosetan: In a title and two sentences from

[02:01:57] Jacob: Each of us if we're going to show

[02:01:59] Rosetan: Currently in our time like right now with what we're currently listening to won't be like individually what album are you gonna show a person right now like what like all of us let me got to hear this go well if it's not just an artist in the song is fine and that's like right now Oh album right now it could be something historic or it'd be something you're onto right now the idea of the momentum you currently have the momentum I currently have Wow it's a this is it is honestly it can I do tie right now that's fine okay um wow

[02:02:32] Jacob: This is quite the tie and anybody who's listening to this is gonna be like what in the actual **** Jake but it is a tie between Mack DeMarco - the - yeah I know

[02:02:45] Rosetan: Jake would like that yes the Mack DeMarco - album it is incredible dude because I listen to chamber of reflection obviously I've listened to chamber of reflection I love that song MACT yes exactly no this Mike DeMarco is like how would you explain it Jake like indie almost it's a it's a gap-toothed

[02:03:07] Jacob: Canadian sarcastic exactly yeah

[02:03:12] Rosetan: So Ivan listened a lot of MACT America lately I got into the - album produced in 2012 actually it was I actually my period for this album because that album I don't think it came out in 2012 I think it came out like two years later are you sure I've nothing to base that off of

[02:03:33] Jacob: Other than I listened to it too many

[02:03:37] Rosetan: Years ago so it's a chamber of reflection no that's not on - oh there's the whole album I've been listening to - yep like compulsively listening because it's just like a such a grab bag of like music like there's some it's just him and a guitar which I

[02:03:55] Jacob: Love because like chamber of reflection like what most people know him for is like so much different there's like synth and drums about good old Viceroy man but um what's the second artist you have as a tie okay so as thing this is really gonna throw people for a loop if they know but it's no surprisingly not

[02:04:17] Rosetan: It's Death Grips Death Grips the Money

[02:04:23] Jacob: Store and the first time I heard Death Grips I saw in YouTube the music video for

[02:04:30] Rosetan: Their song guillotine III know it's guillotine but he says guillotine in the song and I was like this is **** weird and it kind of sucks and I never touched him again and then my little brother actually was like I showed him that song kind of like as a joke as a meme he got he started listening to them again he goes yo you should really give them my little brother he's so open musically and I love him for it like he will listen to anything you put his name is ty my

[02:05:03] Jacob: Little brother yeah you know what funny story with ty is that anza doe our last show I saw him and I was like brother is great to see ya and like

[02:05:14] Rosetan: Funny thing is like I'd met ty before but the problem was as I thought he was

[02:05:20] Jacob: Somebody else

[02:05:26] Rosetan: Totally blindsided by the hug and like

[02:05:29] Jacob: And everything I was like oh **** wow this is not this is not the David that I thought you were this is not who I thought you were but we still know each other so this is more than what you knew but expected you know it was I just take it we were talking about a year ago

[02:05:54] Rosetan: And he was like hey I actually listened to like a full Death Grips album and you should really give him a second thought and I was like it's just noise it's just noise and yelling that's all it is and so I actually sat down with some good headphones and I listened to the whole the money store album and the more I listened to it the more I became in love with it and I really think anybody out there listening to this should listen to the money store album especially get got it got by Death Grips

[02:06:26] Jacob: It's so aggressive you probably will not like the music it is like just like it I have no **** idea experimental hip-hop at best its

[02:06:37] Rosetan: Aggressive as hell it's a your Death

[02:06:41] Jacob: Grips but anybody who knows Death Grips and likes Death Grips is gonna **** love me for saying this but Mack

[02:06:53] Rosetan: DeMarco and Death Grips are definitely completely opposite ends of the spectrum yeah they are not the same at all and my

[02:07:02] Jacob: My musical taste is so across the board

[02:07:06] Rosetan: It's so across the board I've been super into reggae for like the past eight years I rigged a Bowie for sure super it's no doubt about reggae is like was your reggae before we go on but who's your reggae like so revolution yes who else who else in the reggae well because there's so many good there's us for like modern tribal seeds is absolutely killing it right now so like revolution and like sublime and

[02:07:34] Jacob: Pepper if your room they kind of take the more California reggae like you've ever heard sublime they kind of go that route like rock reggae but

[02:07:44] Rosetan: Tribal seeds takes like old-school like

[02:07:47] Jacob: Bob Marley Steel Pulse black uru just sort of like more dub like if you were to like listen to reggae that's just make you want to close your eyes right exactly turn up the bass like with reggae is just like it's just super bass groovy you're following the doo

[02:08:06] Rosetan: Doo and you say snoop lion yeah it's

[02:08:15] Jacob: Like you know I want to listen back to that because I didn't give it I think I actually probably made fun of it morning I think no matter if there were moments where I was laughing and be like this is **** like hilarious or like I'm driving with this like I was getting high to all of it was like 2013 2014 that's what that's exactly when I discovered ray gasher I went over to one of my friend's house

[02:08:43] Rosetan: And she was playing revolution and I was like yo and I was like yo who is this I

[02:08:49] Jacob: Was like this is amazing and she's like

[02:08:52] Rosetan: Always revolution like and so I just I got home that night and I put on revolution Pandora and I discovered like I was like wow reggae isn't actually seen this is like back in 2013 yeah I was a Greg a is like actually huge gold

[02:09:09] Jacob: So like in reggae there's like california reggae which is like super popular in the u. s. there's bands like revolution i rationed pepper that you guys like and then you have like a dub reggae tribal seeds Dennis Brown

[02:09:23] Rosetan: Like super bass heavy roots reggae you

[02:09:27] Jacob: Know so like my music taste is

[02:09:30] Rosetan: Incredibly varied like at the far ends

[02:09:33] Jacob: Its Mac DeMarco and at the other end it's **** death grip you know what we need to do Eric is every time because we're gonna have a few roasts hand podcast I would presume I'm some friends I feel like we should make sure Eric try to remember this we should always at the time of that podcast which Beck what's your fit what are you listening to you right now because dude I know you guys so interesting dude I know that you guys would be so **** different every single time because I am you guys I just have to sorry Eric what were you saying oh man I was just gonna give like a special shout out to half and run because like Ben you showed me at

[02:10:08] Rosetan: The beach that's if I would show immediately right now I was actually playing some of it on our way to get you when we were coming from it I wasn't in the car so we were crossing across the Astoria bridge and I was I was like having this allergic reaction if you remember like I was not vibing with the overcast and the bright lights them in my eyes really look and I just can't we're left off there the water reflection hits you dude that's part of it and the clouds are part of it and I just get weird reactions to that and I don't know how to explain it here or diagnose it should I should go to the doctor but uh right but I found my sunglasses did I or no we didn't find my

[02:10:56] Jacob: Sunglasses so happy but half moon

[02:11:01] Rosetan: Run there fantastic man it's like you

[02:11:05] Jacob: Listen to them you hearken back to the Eagles your harken back to time you never met him before Wow yeah it's very much I would say it's

[02:11:15] Rosetan: A very it's a very well done modern

[02:11:19] Jacob: Other the best seventies music is so

[02:11:23] Rosetan: Interesting because there's even a song like I'd say that they're most equal Z song it's called Black Diamond yeah that's on my playlist now you showed it to me yes thank you it's a mate it's just like it has no embellishment it just is the song that it is and you can listen to it and take that perspective from how you hear it but it's just fantastic because they

[02:11:49] Jacob: Almost understood that when they made

[02:11:52] Rosetan: This song that like we don't need a solo we don't need a crazy like boom

[02:11:58] Jacob: Boom but yeah but there's no big Louie

[02:12:01] Rosetan: Thing in that song but they've got the most beautiful little like piece of puke why I just think I just think that it's like such good songwriting at its core that I didn't need a lot right and they knew that which is almost it's that feedback loop that songwriters almost create when they make the best song is this feedback loop like a song

[02:12:24] Jacob: That's really like I want to be your

[02:12:27] Rosetan: Lover by Prince has just been all

[02:12:33] Jacob: Mine so much lately and it's like it's it and I feel like he's encompassing so many things from like this Jackson 5

[02:12:42] Rosetan: To Steely Dan because of when he put that **** out in like 1978 in 1979 it's like he's drawing from all these different parts but then suddenly he's like boom I'm gonna take them all together I'm gonna play drums I'm gonna play keyboard I'm gonna do guitar I'm gonna sing and then he makes us one thing you're like wow like how did

[02:13:03] Jacob: That how did any of that make sense but you just did it right you know tells a

[02:13:08] Rosetan: New story completely told a new story so so above all would that be your album is that right now like it like if you had a diamond dude I'd say black diamond

[02:13:19] Jacob: Because it has an influence outside of

[02:13:23] Rosetan: That song lyrically that speaks to people who have like problems with addiction and I mean it's spoken to me and my own problems in addiction because I've certainly had with substances and I've certainly had them with ways of life and mostly just falling into patterns of build nests and yeah just routine

[02:13:45] Jacob: Where you find yourself so deep

[02:13:47] Rosetan: Into something that it's you never

[02:13:52] Jacob: Expect that it's gonna tell you how much it doesn't mean to you know yeah but

[02:13:57] Rosetan: Like someone rebase me well what we're talking about because I got so **** focused on my darkness picking an album that like stuff like right now if you're gonna show someone else like what's gonna be right now man I've spent a lot of time on that black diamond dark way with that book

[02:14:19] Jacob: Put that in Eric Nordine as a transition

[02:14:22] Rosetan: He mentioned the new Bon Iver album okay it's fantastic yeah that I come on spokes so much to me yeah it's nuts dude but I want to hear your album mister you want to hear my okay I was thinking so a lot of times like based off of what I know this is annoying to do I'm gonna pick two albums but I'm also before that I'm going to say that it's not super

[02:14:46] Jacob: Specific right now there is a lot of times where I'm very into like certain albums where I'm just listening to it on repeat yeah so you know I'll have those times but like right now I'm preparing for a couple shows and I'm doing a lot of like I listened to a lot of piano in the background which literally just on Spotify I do peaceful piano shuffle it and I do that like hours and hours day was I'm with like

[02:15:10] Rosetan: Cuz a piano is like your main interface

[02:15:13] Jacob: Yeah because that's what I've been learning like I spend probably I mean lately I'm spending seriously like 45 can I distract your question yes because you

[02:15:24] Rosetan: Are someone who like you don't like necessarily play an instrument but you play an instrument because I've heard you play a piano and I've heard what it sounds like but you don't consider I feel like you don't consider yourself that person plays an instrument

[02:15:40] Jacob: I feel like you consider yourself a person who presses buttons in the right time in place yeah you know in and that's so much in and of itself is impactful like part of the musical as playing an instrument as also as also identifying it like correctly I would have to agree with mr. Wilson here the albums this is such a good thing so like it's like because I feel like it's like starting with an instrument you got you got to have a goal right like that's so important to have and then it's easy to be discouraged when

[02:16:16] Rosetan: That goal is not as near as previously thought oh it's also easy to get discouraged for me my biggest discouragement comes from comparison right comparison of any other

[02:16:29] Jacob: Musician even other instruments like you wash a drummer whose bet is it great even though my guitarist it's like I'll be intimidated to talk to that really great drummer right there's still I thought you feel like there's a looming he's better than you musician Phoenix Ginger Baker but the but the but the point is it's like no matter at what level it's like yeah like you fish

[02:16:49] Rosetan: We play it yeah you play piano yeah you do yeah I think a little bit of what I have issue with is of course I understand

[02:16:56] Jacob: That it's not incredibly healthy and I have to give myself a little credit where it where I need it but there is a lot of like I'm hanging out with you guys and so like if you guys were coming into the DJ world you're all three new DJs you'd probably be a little reluctant to like show me like or compare what you're working on to what I've been doing for nine years you know so like I don't like calling myself self a musician or see I'm pretty weird annotation on that but that's why I'm sure you guys like one beat that I've made because like I don't know the way of making beats I don't know the way of like producing like hip hop but sometimes I make something and we're not going to judge you either I was like I

[02:17:37] Rosetan: Almost didn't make the song I wrote yesterday and I when you place a solid time one through like it yeah so you got here before anybody else didn't you played it like you're like hey let me show you the song and you played it so solidly through I was like yes and it was just like I was like I don't know I'm not a song right I don't consider myself a songwriter because like I'm not new to music but I'm new to songwriting like obviously because they I wanted to make a big shout out to Eric over there be like because I think last time we rehearse together like has a band I asked him I was like I was like yo I was like what do you think about me like coming to you with a song or something he was like yeah sure let's hear it I was like alright and so over

[02:18:16] Rosetan: The weekend or so I was just saying I kind of sat down with my guitar and this is the growth of community the growth of community it's just like that's another thing with community is like being willing to listen to people what they have to say like even if it's like open mic stuff like hell yeah open mic stuff definitely important goes back to

[02:18:33] Jacob: What I said earlier is like don't be afraid if you feel like it should be

[02:18:38] Rosetan: Shared right with a touch of quality

[02:18:41] Jacob: Control sure why so I think along with that going back to but calling so family or not if you don't start calling yourself a piano player then where is the standard where you officially do start calling yourself exactly dude oh my god calling yourself that so you start taking yourself seriously it was

[02:18:59] Rosetan: The last few years that I started calling myself a guitar play even though I've been playing for 10 years nice dude III never wants to take that upon myself

[02:19:06] Jacob: Because it won't work it and more ambition from calling yourself that do you think I think so because the more

[02:19:14] Rosetan: I convey to people that like I play guitar but I didn't tell people I have

[02:19:19] Jacob: To preface later like oh I have this also backed me and like all I could do was be honest and just say hey you know I've done this and that but I don't have experience with this because if anything I just wanted people to know like if there was something specific they had in mind whether or not I'd experienced in that because I didn't want to be the reason for why that field because that now that was so much in herself sometimes yeah I know right so Eric what would you say cuz because me I think of things so many layers so I'm like if I were to say if someone's like hey do you play piano and I say yes intially is the second I say yes with that yes just that one word to me is

[02:20:01] Rosetan: Compare like comparing I guess but

[02:20:04] Jacob: But like what would I say if a

[02:20:08] Rosetan: Very established if Elton John said hey Jake are you a piano player I would never say yes to me difficulty I get that scale

[02:20:17] Jacob: That you're putting it's this one si now that I say it out loud it's oh no that scale exists because that's what quality control is when it's put when it's put in a healthy mindset but how do we manage a healthy but also so like Elton John to manage how he plays piano and he

[02:20:34] Rosetan: Someone like Elton John late I mean like

[02:20:36] Jacob: I know some what about his career I've been a fan for a long time he I mean he bases a lot of what he can do off of

[02:20:45] Rosetan: What others provide him and some artists work like that like they like I mean Eric last week was like hey I have the

[02:20:53] Jacob: Yeast for something and he provided that yeast and then it starts to growing to like this new piece and for some people like Elton John who you think are

[02:21:02] Rosetan: Like so fantastic and amazing his gift

[02:21:06] Jacob: Isn't it isn't what he does with his

[02:21:09] Rosetan: Fingers but when you hear a song

[02:21:11] Jacob: Like he hasn't written the lyrics of that someone else has done it but what Elton John has done is he's

[02:21:19] Rosetan: Taken words and he's made them fit into a melody and into a pattern in a theme that makes you realize like this is a song he made Crocodile Rock he made the circle of life he made all that **** but someone else wrote the lyrics with a different purpose in mind and he brought that to life and that's his purpose I

[02:21:40] Jacob: Think to keep in this exact metaphor and

[02:21:43] Rosetan: To keep this conversation I'm so this is a big full circle thing what I would hope Elton John would do in the situation if I won John says RUP and say yes I'm a piano player it would be his responsibility in a music community to be encouraging towards you no matter what your level is okay so you're feared insecurity so my responsibility as another musician is to know that I have fears and insecurities there for other musicians do as well okay and so if you're really feeding this community and feeding other Creators it's like last night I was hanging with a bunch of musicians I was the worst one in the room man but I still hung out and I had a great time you don't I mean and in but I was also like a better guitar player than some of the singers right and so this so there is something so they'll be insecure about playing guitar all of a sudden right did you feel did

[02:22:36] Jacob: You feel the need to like maybe present yourself differently to them than you would to like if you're in a room where there's a bunch of other musicians I feel a little confused on like I guess like you shouldn't present yourself as some hotshot even if you think you are but I almost feel like if you're in a position where you know you're the worst person in the room you're in a good spot well that's kind

[02:22:56] Rosetan: Of like that's learning dude like

[02:23:00] Jacob: Playing with both Jake and Eric like in in row Stan like you guys are such

[02:23:07] Rosetan: Better guitar players than I am but like never at one point have I felt like I

[02:23:12] Jacob: Don't belong like you guys I

[02:23:15] Rosetan: Get that from you too I'm and definitely don't think that influence doesn't glean influence from skill because influence gets influenced from from any place at all and like I see your patience and how you approach guitar and how comfortable you are

[02:23:32] Jacob: Just make it these big brash like blue just like a strum and I'm like I should do that yeah I should feel it out and take time and give my bass you know because the that's cool that comes back to what I've said like 90 times on this podcast so far it's just like what we all bring individually to what Rose 10 is just like we all bring an

[02:24:00] Rosetan: Individual piece to it and like I

[02:24:03] Jacob: Think a big part of what I bring it into it's just like a mood I think you know he's man Y so what will you guys bring to it for me is like that sense of responsibility carries to me like where I see you guys succeeding in my opinon any personal lives like how you carry yourselves or how you speak to me or like on the B strip like we had a really cool emotional conversation and stuff and I kinda like let out some stuff and they're just like a really nice moment and like that's the stuff that you can provide beyond music and that's and that's community deeper than then I think a scale could do you know because we're all there for the purpose of kind of this idea of like we're gonna play music together but then that comes with its own expectations and then if you're willing to feed into that it kind of demonstrates your character because whether you're good or not it's like how much character do you do you want to show and like that's still a hard point for me is like being able to be vulnerable you know but I'm playing do you think playing this music

[02:25:04] Jacob: On stage and like the level of emotion is helping you get to is helping feed some vulnerability I think so I

[02:25:11] Rosetan: Absolutely think so I think I think it's giving me more of an opportunity to just exist and kind of my own space

[02:25:21] Jacob: Without it

[02:25:22] Rosetan: I mean without expectation not that like any of my other endeavors make me feel like I have an expectation but I've

[02:25:31] Jacob: I've started this like I joined rose at an in a point in my life where maybe

[02:25:38] Rosetan: I had more knowledge on what I should be looking for when I joined something and when I initiate something and and it's just like a point of judgment and like I felt really cool about the group of people that I was working with and I still do after all these

[02:25:56] Jacob: Months you know it's like the two of you

[02:25:59] Rosetan: Guys and you Jake Ryan's I mean it's a solid group of people I had a friend that I really respect musically after our third show as an

[02:26:11] Jacob: Antidote I think and had a friend come to me and he's like hey man I've been watching AG music for like eight or nine years now I gotta tell you the team and the people that you have around yourself right now it just seems like this is the best situation just like and

[02:26:32] Rosetan: It doesn't mean like oh we're gonna it

[02:26:35] Jacob: Doesn't mean that we're gonna make it

[02:26:38] Rosetan: Doesn't mean that we're gonna be famous

[02:26:40] Jacob: It means that creatively someone that I

[02:26:43] Rosetan: Respect agrees with that like we were on the right track I don't really care about if we're on the right track in a year I care about we on the track right now you know I do care that we're on right now but like in the future but you know the only type of looking in the future that want to do is booking out future dates then continue to work on ourselves in the current timeline to like be better when we get up to those days right which is what you guys are doing heavy I mean you have Eric as a bandleader you have taken I mean this is you know probably more inside scoop than most people really care to share but you have taken as a bandleader you've been just sending out all these emails like you guys don't have a manager to think no you don't have like there's little things where I'll help in and like dorky ways you know but I'm not your manager or anything like you're handling all this like the songwriting and everything like you're you so thanks so your dude

[02:27:30] Rosetan: It's huge what would because a huge thing that you're doing because you'll text me separate from the group and we'll talk through these things because there's a lot of weight that you put on and it's a lot of weight that needs to be put on them yeah it's a you wear a very heavy vest but it's the appropriate vest it's what this man needs and so you are the one who emails these venues and you say hey we're a band and we do this and here's what's up you do these things and then you come back to the room and you say hey boys like the like the Jake's are at

[02:27:59] Jacob: Work and you text them and say hey I got us booked here and I got us booked here and before you know you have like a huge Northwest tour going on you know so take

[02:28:08] Rosetan: Taking on all these all these things and

[02:28:10] Jacob: Expanding them are you Eric how do you

[02:28:15] Rosetan: Think you're forming into this role of being a mentor and teacher yourself I mean it's something that

[02:28:22] Jacob: Like is something where like in my line of work being like at the after school program with Parks and Rec or working

[02:28:30] Rosetan: With children like as a paraeducator

[02:28:34] Jacob: And stuff like that there is like that gate that gave me like a different lighter sense of responsibility in other areas where my personal life need to improve and it's kind of noticing like if your personal life improves your creative life flourishes too but I just like wasn't doing that I definitely

[02:28:54] Rosetan: Agree yeah this being in this group and being in the career like as a paraeducator as well as like has matured

[02:29:03] Jacob: Me so quickly like

[02:29:07] Rosetan: 24 years old like being in the in the career path I'm going towards and then like being in this group as well has been like definitely been like especially it all comes back to community is like how do you want people to view you how do you want people to view you and Eric and I went out to dinner the other night and he said something that really stuck with me and it was just like I want to be those guys that can go into a place and people recognize us and be like oh those guys are really cool those guys really sweet yeah like because like the sense of community is beyond the music like I like we go to that like there's a block like there's a bar a block away from here that we go to regularly and like being nice with those employees regularly and like we can walk into any hour and it's like a little bit like those guys these are the musicians with the producer who lives down the road it's important I like and they like us

[02:29:59] Jacob: Right there's different you know local places we go to and the like that we and we're hugging the staff when we walk in because they like us and stuff is only a couple spots but going back to what you were saying and asking earlier and stuff what I wouldn't say is as far as

[02:30:14] Rosetan: Like the leadership part the type of teachers that I've had I've had a lot of good models on how to lead well musically being a part of that

[02:30:27] Jacob: Stuff underneath some really talented

[02:30:30] Rosetan: People in Seattle and working in some larger scale things musically that were much bigger than me helped me see tools

[02:30:39] Jacob: And things necessary like okay like be like basically how it's me you know what I mean and then I'm learning and

[02:30:46] Rosetan: Learning and then learning with quality-control to kind of put into scale and perspective here right and then with that I think the best way that I became a band leader here was when I started being like fully honest with myself right I think I had to let go of a lot of personal things I had to let go

[02:31:09] Jacob: Of a sense of loneliness and abandonment and put my self-worth into what I'm doing here I had to let go of a love of you know the people over here and channel that love into like he say I sent a bunch of emails that night was those few days

[02:31:27] Rosetan: Were days where I could have just soaked but instead of sulking and slipping back a little bit it's like no this love that I feel like I deserve to put into a person I can put that into the work I do with this band and it's music it's just as important to me it's just as important you can channel it somewhere else absolutely you don't have to just the sorrow of not having it you can put it somewhere else and there's all sorts of loss and hurt and

[02:31:54] Jacob: Confusion and no matter where you're at personally right now with whatever's going on you are absolutely like you are absolutely worthy and you're the way you're feeling currently is valid and absolutely does get better and sometimes to get better you have to like take responsibility and I think for me taking responsibility of past actions knowing how I've messed up in the past and trying not to do that again I've messed up past musically to like into some business facets where it's like okay so I don't do that again right yeah so you take all these things right you take the business things you take the personal things you take the musical things and you always um and you want you want to always put all this stuff back into it you know everything that you're learning from different people is it's part of a toolbox that you have the

[02:32:40] Rosetan: The hard part is making sure you're grabbing the right tool for the right thing and sometimes but that's learning is when it doesn't yeah dude and I think that's something that we're making it pretty apparent whether you're even trying to or not I just realized that we're talking about this is like if

[02:32:55] Jacob: There's any new listeners in our inherit

[02:32:59] Rosetan: Music community and you maybe you haven't made the right decisions or you haven't done the right thing like it's like a dude we're with it like where or if you're going through it and you're like I don't know how to get these feelings into words like dude keep

[02:33:12] Jacob: Going we're with you we've been there yeah I think that like just knowing you know the vulnerability of all of us having gone through these things and having to channel our energy in different ways and kind of being you know like it like I've had my fair share of suck I'm sure we all four houses like man oh just so you can get better knowing you are the one who can better artists only waiting for you

[02:33:35] Rosetan: Artists so weird artists so weird man like in that sense is like I've had a

[02:33:42] Jacob: Couple things that I've put onto my

[02:33:45] Rosetan: Solo SoundCloud where I'd be like wow this is I put my whole heart and soul into this and it gets like eight plays and then I'll just like put something out and people be like wow I love that one hey my buddy said this is his favorite song and like it's an incredibly weird thing as an artist like you're kind of stuck in like this mousetrap almost it's just like well do

[02:34:12] Jacob: I continue doing what my soul says is right or do I continue doing what people like to hear I think is I definitely think as

[02:34:21] Rosetan: Both men III think it's like a tempering of steel because each song we release we like to look at it as like this kind of epitomizing moment or like

[02:34:32] Jacob: It's like the crux you know or

[02:34:35] Rosetan: The apex but that it that it just harkens back to that hype culture of like how everything that you do has

[02:34:44] Jacob: To be you know like measured on the wall

[02:34:47] Rosetan: Like you're like 3 foot 2 inches god

[02:34:50] Jacob: Forbid let's grab the pen and go stand up against the doorframe you know like it's just not that big of a deal you know like we never focused a control work through that it finally came into human words yeah one thing I put into perspective about how small I am is I love watching your mom's house podcast it's like the podcast Tom Segura has with his wife Christine Italians and right I felt like super funny and as a side podcast he has with Bert Kreischer called two bears one cave and they talk about like Bert crush made at this point and they like laugh at this forever is like and they say and this put it in perspective what numbers really are he goes and he says because these guys are like very famous but even in celebrity bottom tier and they said in every crush goes isn't it crazy that people with 50,000 big number right isn't that weird that people with 50,000 followers actually think they're influencers not that scent that's that sentence **** me up is he's a hype man Bert Kreischer will sit there and talk about how he's **** Vladimir Putin's like

[02:36:01] Rosetan: **** doorman and how he gets

[02:36:04] Jacob: First-class train rides but it's about how he tells stories and he definitely exact I mean like he makes funny points but they exist inside the reality of the stories that he tells a story there's just a point where like they're talking about like Instagram models would be like they do it they feel like they deserve like they got 50,000 followers therefore they should have this kind of a status and this and that and it's like isn't it weird cuz like because they had they have they have like maybe 20 50 to 300 thousand followers so they're saying that they're influenced even with that amount of followers is it not as great as they think so fifty thousand eight **** so you think you have to have more but it makes you wonder like what's the weight of that following

[02:36:48] Rosetan: That you have because like we've talked about with Rosetan having such a small amount of followers it's not intentional wanted II not at all right it's its quality because the most important thing still no matter why is this word of mouth when you're in the moment and when someone says let's **** go I'll never forget when one of my friends up in Bellingham got

[02:37:10] Jacob: Fainted because a lady touched him at caps and so he left the bar and said I'm going to Nappy Roots so he runs all the way over to the wild buffalo to buy a ticket to Nappy Roots so he can get away

[02:37:25] Rosetan: From the group and I'm like hey come back buddy and he's like hey I'm buying your ticket so we both went and saw Nappy Roots and that's just silly random you never would

[02:37:35] Jacob: Have happened to somebody who doesn't know anything you just **** said that made no sense my valuate your circumstance my okay evaluate your circumstance your memories I wish don't be selfish evaluate your importance amen but my point being is that we get caught up in numbers and so it was nice to see that the line of fifty thousand even though it looks big to me **** meat meaning that it's important like he said to have an impact with what you have right like we have

[02:38:07] Rosetan: Maybe like 10 to 15 people that have come to all three shows which is what we should show you and like in at the at our second show number two right our music is only been out since our the

[02:38:23] Jacob: Acoustic EP came out in August okay people were like not a lot to two to four people we're seeing some of our lyrics to two of our songs and that's when I was like oh like that's like a real like listener and follower it's like okay yeah that wilfer your second show and for a little time like long be like that's great that's awesome man and so it's about building off of that and stuff and having people this music is not like super bouncy and poppy and it's not like everyday tunes but I want it to be something serious enough where it's like they can check in with that really this isn't meant to be bubbly poppy you gotta love this but I do believe that even if you don't like the kind of always emotional stuff I guarantee you'll be into how this performance is because it's because of what we think about it we bring it yeah because I feel like we're all being genuine I feel like we're all disciplined in the

[02:39:15] Rosetan: Moment which is for me like something that I really value about this experience is like an aspect of discipline where like I almost have to let it conform and it's more in a musical sense and it's and it's cool because I have an open mind to that and because I want to I just want to understand what it takes to do that yeah

[02:39:37] Jacob: You know in this setting and I think it's really cool I mean and I think other people value that as well because it's not as put together as they'd expect it to be well it's like well you and Jake and Kara lips I've been taking direction really well in the sense of like I'll come like what the acoustic EP stuff like I think we like we crammed like three rehearsals until I go week and a half look into a week before I first show because I want to learn those songs and get them hammered down and like you guys had tendencies of your own previous influences and I had a goal and stuff of like what I had in my head so we either found compromise we discovered a new sound excuse me or you guys were able to kind of pick up what I was showing and that's in and that's a discipline aspect of it

[02:40:22] Rosetan: Is like is just because that's what you have to do playing in an orchestra or playing in a jazz band is someone asked to put something in front of you yeah and you have to be able to understand that like sight-reading is such an high expectation of and that's not a skill that I feel like I come from a choir background so like as from like I think I was in choir from like fifth grade up until high school so

[02:40:48] Jacob: Like even though I was very young and like middle school obviously like whatever you know you're young it's still like musically it was very forming to me to be like somebody who knows what the music is supposed to sound like to be like no you need to be playing addy here you need to be singing like a denote here and then for me to be like well I don't know for sure but I'll sing a D and then when we're all singing like this translates into roast and very well when we're all playing I'm playing a deal but oh that's why I'm playing the D there because when we're all playing together this goes back to the vibe we were talking about earlier it's just like we definitely have to feed off of

[02:41:32] Rosetan: Each other I think so especially lack lack of like air quotes here a full band

[02:41:38] Jacob: Yeah like definitely I think our

[02:41:41] Rosetan: Strength here is our ability to sort of

[02:41:44] Jacob: Roll with the punches and play off of each other and collective vulnerability that you guys have been willing to go on that ride with me one thing that I'm really happy about being comfortable as friends with you guys is that one thing that I knew I wanted and had to do like this is like from the early stages of creating this and this is why that Beach trip is like I knew that I wanted to like I wanted to I wanted to get you guys bought in and to buy into this means I had to be vulnerable I want to be honest about what I'm going through as a person current past and forward in the future and I want you guys to be able to put whatever you're going through emotionally into this as well so that when we're playing it's like cuz you guys aren't going through the same stuff I am but I want you to still channel emotion so it's like what was the last time you felt this way though you can kind of put yourself there onstage and go through that with me and

[02:42:28] Rosetan: I think that's something that like being able to present the vulnerability musically I think is one of the maybe not contagious but like attractive things about Rosetan live I think is that like we did a show with Alpine Grace and a bunch of other really Johnny Franco silver Hill this week yeah

[02:42:52] Jacob: Yeah he's really good we got some stuff coming with him in February and March and anyway some other bands - I can't

[02:42:59] Rosetan: Remem now unfortunately but we were like the only band without a drummer there by like the go list like okay so like we can scream then we can bring heavier energy we can do some wild stuff it worked out pretty well - like I mean honestly just like having three people just like I mean Eric is so unabashedly just like I'm gonna put it out there you

[02:43:26] Jacob: Know and that's great because you don't

[02:43:28] Rosetan: Want someone doing that who's afraid to

[02:43:31] Jacob: Do that because if that's a disaster ah they're like this **** is not giving it his all we could feel that right it's 19 you could get this all

[02:43:43] Rosetan: Duty dude it's an emotion it's something that can't is not words for it's something that you're like oh I know that this dude this is his peacock

[02:43:52] Jacob: Feathers this is lions roar like this dude is doing what he does **** yeah and you know that and Eric you do that in guys like Jake and Jake you both just like you guys just glanced at each other and I just I know I said at the beginning but you guys just glanced at each other and you're like I get it and Eric says do this with

[02:44:12] Rosetan: His eyes and you say I know what you mean and you just do it and it just what about one of my favorite moments and you were there for it I think he was like the first antidote show weird there's a song it's the third song an acoustic EP and there's a lot of great get spoiler if it wants to do live because the guitar parts are a little more intricate there we're all doing some cool stuff that creates a nice melodic orchestration and there's one part where so Jake Wilson plays lead throughout most of the set and I kind of hold down the core of the song with some finger picking or some good chords just like with good full tone to keep this moving and every once in a while I take like AI solos kind of the wrong term it's like it's kind of the same thing every time but I guess it's a solo yeah and it felt so good the first time that after the course what we're supposed to end it I was like let's do the instrumental again like I'm better off broken yeah I was at the Eagles yeah they're spontaneous solo and a song like that solo in right okay yeah

[02:45:15] Jacob: Yeah I'm gonna solo here yeah I

[02:45:18] Rosetan: Just started doing it over there like oh we keep playing and we do not stop and there is no stopping and awkwardness like there's a just because you play with each other and a few you have to rehearse you have to practice you have to put in these hours that make these things feel like DJing you have to put in the hours to make it feel effortless when you're out there it translate in an

[02:45:38] Jacob: In and like this uncanny way to a

[02:45:42] Rosetan: Practice regime that you might have we're like you get home and you get yourself in this practice regime and you're like I'm gonna do this but then you feel like that applies outside of that practice regime you feel a manifesting almost and you're like this

[02:45:58] Jacob: Regime is finally like becoming part of

[02:46:01] Rosetan: Actually how this is executed yeah nothing how I do the things that I practice in private oh no coming up like without me even trying onstage that's one able to look this guy in the eye and say and he's able to say like hey that thing that you learned seven weeks ago in your basement by yourself you're gonna bring that out right now and you say yep got it yeah Wow beautiful beautifully put Jake that's like that's like so much of the magic that like we

[02:46:26] Jacob: Put into the rehearsals it's just like

[02:46:29] Rosetan: We spent so much time rehashing and

[02:46:33] Jacob: Redoing the same thing over and over and

[02:46:35] Rosetan: Over and over again we're like way yeah

[02:46:40] Jacob: It's just almost like it's like wow I

[02:46:43] Rosetan: Don't want to play these four chords

[02:46:46] Jacob: Again ever again and then like we pull it out during a live show and we see people bobbing along with and we're like ah that gives it life again why you know why we do that and we've only been playing these songs for if like a couple of months imagine people who have flight do us like a hit single like a whole like a career but most people don't love their music that long there'd be a way to find it there'd be there is a way to find loving your music forever though I feel like found a way of course not I get sick of **** way too quick I think you can love your own music I think it's about like performing it where it's like it does like become a lose it loses its luster sometimes you know but inside and I

[02:47:31] Rosetan: Already I'm like I might kind of over some of the songs were already doing mainly because like I'm not in the mental space that I wasn't when I wrote them and I don't want to like drag myself back but at the same time it's songs that like that people don't know like what's important about like the thing about Rose Tana having it not be my name is like now everyone knows who I am that's who listens to Rosetan their fortitude not everyone knows the story so the songs that are sad are still important to people who may need them

[02:47:55] Jacob: Right now dude like here's something incredible rubies on board okay it's like I hadn't heard I think

[02:48:04] Rosetan: Maybe I'm an earlier but that one print song yeah and I heard it too like a month ago and some of these great

[02:48:12] Jacob: Songs that have come out in the world I just haven't heard them until like months ago you know and some of them in the last few years and it's amazing that we can have that ability to like just like feel like we've reached the end of the line like ah this new thing came out it's the coolest thing everyone's been listening to it because this tame impala **** or it's like some ariana grande and boom I can't get enough and you feel like ah I'm so dissatisfied I'm so empty because this

[02:48:42] Rosetan: Was the biggest thing that I had but then you go and you find that someone made a song like 20 years ago or 20 like with like an album even like you similar fun at me like oh god I have I have six weeks of healing with this album now like okay finding Steely Dan's Asia but here's

[02:49:03] Jacob: Another thing was finding a

[02:49:07] Rosetan: Classic rock but Tears for Fears songs from the big chair and then Christopher Cross is an album which ever had ceiling I think it was just a self-titled album but this is all 80s music man and this has such an impact on me but the thing is that music like that gave birth and rise to like artists like Toto who are

[02:49:30] Jacob: Still like permeating through Africa yeah but even beyond that man it's

[02:49:37] Rosetan: Amazing **** in Africa it's a great song all these musicians are fantastic because they're all putting themselves into something that they believed in and

[02:49:48] Jacob: And like they all put that into like

[02:49:51] Rosetan: Michael Jackson and they made the Thriller album right Toto their ok these these people are timeless without attempting to be timeless because

[02:50:00] Jacob: They're just saying they were time it's how you have to create music we have our we have our yeah our goals are **** up

[02:50:14] Rosetan: Sometimes do these people that you're talking about Jake Wilson are they weren't trying to be the hottest right now no they weren't and you listen to them you listen to Steve Lukather from Toto and he's like one of the greatest guitar players and inner ranges of all time and he's just like yeah I'm just **** there I love that **** just like a barbecue on Sundays i watch football it's like what the hell what the hell

[02:50:37] Jacob: You what you it's so it's so like

[02:50:41] Rosetan: Um it's interesting to have the wall of celebrity I'm taken down and like a creative concept because the wall

[02:50:49] Jacob: Of celebrity makes you think oh they're up there and they had to do all that to make this one in reality the core of like writing something like is that the same core that you're starting something to for the most part and it's like really imply then that and that's the cool thing about music and stuff like that now I mean grind like with electronic production like it is it is like it's stuff is changing and there's a future and stuff but I do think that I don't know I don't know if

[02:51:10] Rosetan: It's getting more popular or my focus is more on it but I feel like bands are kind of becoming cool again and that's not why us being a band that's like something that I just like want to have and regardless of us being right I think the instrumental influence is very important nowadays and I think it's more influential because it shows people more

[02:51:30] Jacob: Of what they're capable of rather than what they think they're capable people might be scared of instruments nowadays yeah well it takes it takes time to sound good there but about a month you could have I could you can get a decent flow and for example we want right freaking now and getting instruments our long-term and they are like I like I'm

[02:51:56] Rosetan: It's something you have to enjoy playing by yourself like it's something that you have to enjoy just hanging out with yourself like so if you don't even enjoy hanging out with yourself for definite what that means yeah no it's originally there's this listen guys like like I'm telling you guys right now and I'm telling anybody that's like just picking up a guitar piano singing for the first time there's been more times where I've put my guitar away pissed off

[02:52:23] Jacob: Then I have put it away satisfied what made you what made you grab it back out there wanting to get better right wanting to not put it away pissed off not making that decision like this is forever **** are forever you just put it away man whatever and then when he felt that urge later right yeah like just like even now like I like I'm

[02:52:42] Rosetan: Twelve years into it like I was playing the other night and I was I was trying to learn something new and I just couldn't get it and I was like man **** this I suck and I put my guitar case away and I left it alone I was playing guitar today like you know well they're like there's all those complicated things you can learn but the song you wrote is pretty simple with two chords maybe we'll add a third one in there and embellished it to the right level and it's and that's all that needs right but it's like but it's like having the tools though to make that decision and know that's enough and know that you could go other directions like I think and I think that most I think were the most important assets and music is like having restraint and knowing like that is enough as is going back to that half moon run album there's a lot of moments there where they have that perfect amount of restraint or they have crazy embellishments but the embellishments and things that are happening our low enough in the mix that they are not overwhelming and I think I think

[02:53:38] Rosetan: That comes from also working with good producers and engineers who have ears because sometimes instrumentalists the other ones who are like I gotta crank up that part I want to hear me more there and it's like I love that part but it shouldn't be up front like that it's not the song like if you were a pain just

[02:53:53] Jacob: Like just because you can paint 37 different colors doesn't mean every painting should have 37 don't just need

[02:54:00] Rosetan: Blue and pink baby yeah like

[02:54:03] Jacob: It like a sunset is only like the most beautiful sunset you've ever seen in your entire life it's probably only about seven colors I mean if you want to

[02:54:13] Rosetan: Get super technical like some of

[02:54:18] Jacob: Your favorite songs in the world are not

[02:54:22] Rosetan: Incredibly complicated just because you can doesn't mean sure there's words in the emptiness yes exactly it's like David guilt like if you listen to a lot of David Gilmour from Pink Floyd like a

[02:54:34] Jacob: Lot of his most powerful solos aren't

[02:54:37] Rosetan: Super fast and crazy and technical he finds the feeling in the space I think I don't think that people find charming in music something I find charming Stephen tack pointed out to me and I listen to on the broken record podcast a little bit that I think there's something special about albums that don't come out to perfect as far as I get like sort of like the bony bear stuff he defines his music as the records always come out little dusty and scratched I was like whoa yeah yep

[02:55:10] Jacob: That's perfect Hayley Hendrix dusty

[02:55:13] Rosetan: Dusty and scratch sound like it's a very raw sound everything's miked and recorded that way intentionally didn't get any more processing she pumps I don't know Lucy Degas she went from a pretty raw sigh like that even her produced stuff has a nice amount of like desperate see to it and like necessity in the sense of recording do you guys remember that one band from the 60s that was like these sisters no less and their dad said you guys are gonna be someone famous someday but they were awful and they sang a song about their cat and it was terrible and it was

[02:55:43] Jacob: Unlistenable but then they gained a cult following among like indie listeners over

[02:55:49] Rosetan: Their years someone backed me up someone find out who you were you are an incredible library of music I said it like three hours ago but like Jake Wilson will put you on to music that from a time period that you've never heard of his music taste never ceases to amaze me like he's a water and a TRS I'm like didn't see that coming he's a walking record store he is he knows music I wish I could charge that much he's a walking music story he is a

[02:56:21] Jacob: He's a music catalog and his brain and he has put me on to so much music from

[02:56:27] Rosetan: Time periods that I was no totally yeah no he Jake Wilson has put me on to music from time periods that I thought I had heard everything from and I'd be like nah this song from the 70s this artist from this album and this year and I'm like how have I never heard this and why do I love it now he's like he'll come to me sometimes like the right time yeah it's just like sometimes just like in the rare occasion where we haven't seen each other in person in a week or so he'll come up to me and be like yo I got this album from 75 from this band that I know you love and be like how have I not heard this how have I not heard this just sound like some weird obscure album from this incredibly famous artist they're just an album that flew under the radar I don't know I just wait did you find did you find that being you suck man I was looking for them I feel like it's a really easy name but for some reason they just don't make themselves apparent to me it's gonna be like the like the Dixie Chicks

[02:57:29] Jacob: Yeah probably the Dixie Chicks were like

[02:57:33] Rosetan: The freakin tater tots all right so I didn't want to say we didn't fully finish I didn't want to wrap up here shortly but I do want to say my album real quick and then go to Eric's my album I would say we're saying earlier

[02:57:48] Jacob: Yes yeah okay so I had two albums yep my

[02:57:53] Rosetan: The first one is the Devil Makes Three I forgot the name of the album but the song is change the rhythm I think I showed it a couple of your chains so the album up Devil Makes Three it's whatever the **** album that changed through rhythm is long it's like a red album it's great and then also holes in our stories by Dylan Owen because I do a lot of like spoken word and poetry writing and his is very like it's euphoric it doesn't follow like any music figure it seems like he doesn't care about quantization he just he's writing like as the words come it seems like so it's double makes three is that the band name devil makes three man named yeah what's the song chained to

[02:58:34] Jacob: The rhythm chained to the into the couch

[02:58:38] Rosetan: Oh chained to the couch is that what it is yeah oh shoot yeah I totally miss booke chained to the couch but that's the whole album is great and then also the second album was Dylan Owen holes in our stories which is just so great he's just a very original artist he's like a spoken word poetry sort of guy I didn't want to go to Eric though I don't think did we get yours we haven't gotten Eric set I do want to we're getting up here in time so we round out a little bit after that but I definitely want to get a good explanation of yours Eric yeah I think two albums right now that are really but and they've come in and out of my life a little bit the number one album and I know Mele hoard music and like don't share with people because you share music with a girl you like and she breaks your heart and you're like that they like that he found that side or you

[02:59:24] Rosetan: Or you share music in like all the sudden people that you don't really like care for you see them posting about it and all of a sudden it doesn't feel as valid to you anymore you only mean it sounds like a horde music we should delete it so but that pretty much but an album that I've been loving to share with people if you like the band daughter at all I recommend looking up palace and the album is life after they're abandoned well great song

[02:59:49] Jacob: Dude absolutely lyrics the all in

[02:59:52] Rosetan: There's something about like the whole entire album it's easy to go through from start to finish there's nothing offensive about any songs sonically like you could listen to it very possibly and enjoy that presence or you could be so intent on every like I took time listens like all to get to har parts and headphones a couple of Saturdays ago which was like a big Saturday for me and I just I just heard a lot of stuff when I was like it's like law simplicity but the simplicity comes together I'd be good on like a long nighttime drive maybe you're like a backroad always you know I always come to practice it's 15 20 minute drive from my house to the studio yeah I'll put on pallets kind of getting them like it when I want to listen intentionally I can listen intention yeah when I want to listen passively it's great yeah it's incredible and I just think it's some of the best songwriting I've heard in a long time and then an artist who has two names Giada can baths but right now I mean in 2019 Giada put out an album called traverse' that really changed my life in perspective on electronic music because

[03:00:57] Rosetan: I don't really I've kind of fallen out of love with a lot of it but he's pretty original but it's a album under his name Bath's ba ths as weird as it sounds and the album from 2017 roma plasm all the

[03:01:11] Jacob: Songs are almost like so high energy it

[03:01:14] Rosetan: Can be like borderline annoying but he emotion he puts into something puts like a crazy texture and his vulnerability and his lyricism and His perfect portrayal of what he's feeling and the absolute 100% originality nothing else is even close to what it sounds like that's why I like I love suicide boys back in the day because like what I came to underground rap like there was nothing else that sounded like them and now there's I got much people imitating what they have done right they gained

[03:01:42] Jacob: That original sound just like it's not it's not a negative thing by any means but it's back like I don't there is no

[03:01:50] Rosetan: Other genre that it's in and I get similar it's like what and Bon Iver should be in that list icon was amazing and it is one of the most important albums to me in my life but right now

[03:02:03] Jacob: I'm listening to Roma plasm my baths in

[03:02:06] Rosetan: Life after by Palace every day in his

[03:02:09] Jacob: Entirety at least once does I just have to say the sentence does the fact that so many people listen to bone Iver give

[03:02:17] Rosetan: You faith in humanity as a whole yeah I think what my favorite things is that weird I mean they do not get and I'm kind of joking I guess but I'm not there's a there's a song using I love it I love it there's a song that he wrote over the course of five years on that album and 23 people worked on that song with him which one was that am i attracted really mm-hmm thing about that song man within like when that song came out before the album and it was a single two or three weeks 25 million Spotify streams this man took

[03:02:48] Jacob: His originality and experimentation and he opened the door for that to become mainstream in its own self the read the fact that he's selling out the Gorge Amphitheatre that kind of using it's not an EDM thing it's not Jack Johnson it's not john mayer you know like who's like those kind of venues this is something

[03:03:03] Rosetan: That is inherently sonically weird and is in on his end intentionally this way and we have an insanely he's built an insanely large community and following that agrees I'm just trying to people

[03:03:18] Jacob: Agree with what we're doing do you think at what point in bond of it but Bon

[03:03:25] Rosetan: Iver's career was he similar to where you guys are at has roastin his first album or before yeah he talks about how for Emma he went to his dad's hunting cabin he was doing he went to college as a jazz major and he played in a band all the way up to his mid 20s and then he quit and I was a very like naked feeling for him and so he went to a cabin to his dad's hunting cabin with like it was small very small little pro too like majek like console not a computer console and one mic and he stayed there for three months and he wrote that entire album and he won a Grammy for it misconceptions because of because of idolization Envy and oh yeah and being raw jealousy without operating I think it has less to do with that and more of a lack of realization of boy

[03:04:19] Jacob: Kind of life they're living I mean

[03:04:22] Rosetan: Because anybody could realize their true potential in this life and do something fantastic like make a record or ****

[03:04:30] Jacob: Own property or clean up the bay you

[03:04:33] Rosetan: Know but they just don't and I don't get it in and it's just a sincere lack of putting themselves to it yeah with the amount of people that I've met who just have such a fantastic talent Jake this totally brought me back to something that Eric told me a few weeks ago and it is stuck with me and I've thought about it ever since he said it Eric was like yeah you can love people and you can like we talk about love a lot as a band and like all the different kinds of love and like how you can you love your bandmates you love your family you love your significant other all in different ways you can love people and it's like it's not about feeling like it's not always about just feeling loved it's about how you show it - totally

[03:05:20] Jacob: Totally how you show it works yeah it's work to show love effort

[03:05:25] Rosetan: To show love to show whatever

[03:05:27] Jacob: The love maybe show it don't just feel

[03:05:31] Rosetan: It know something like I have been my I think consistency is something I lacked in 2019 that's something I don't think I need to bring into my life in 2020 to become a better person in multiple areas I think I think not being

[03:05:45] Jacob: Consistent and showing love is like what like what some of the downfall of like different personal things in 2019 and I think going forward no matter what projects are in my life no matter what people are in my life and stuff consistency is how I can be a healthy positive influence in those situations - yeah like how do how do I show love

[03:06:05] Rosetan: To Jake Rhines Jake Wilson and Eric Nordine right how do I show love to my mom and dad my grandma oh and most importantly how I show love for you to yourself - love to myself how do I show a good cookie batter or like a pie sure

[03:06:20] Jacob: Yeah it's like how do you distribute that consistency really quick you really have this - that everyone gets a good slice of that not to do it publicly but we do it in the group text just banachek and how is everyone doing yes all the time dude okay how are you doing we're doing good I do great you know Kay in life you're feeling good yeah how's everybody's Saturday going hey hope everybody has a good Tuesday good things yeah mmm month day what still

[03:06:50] Rosetan: They'll be New Year's Eve no **** well hey that's a great place to end on the new year so going into New Year I think that we dropped a lot of a lot of a lot of important things I think the essence of what we all talked about in this podcast this was kind of the thing is cuz I wanted to have these guys over here to of course do like oh you know who is Rosetan like what's the secret behind this band who is like you know every song is seamed together coming out with super good so there's a lot of like new listeners there's a lot of like new uptick so that was kind of the excitement of it but overall I think the important thing that we did here in accomplish very well is you

[03:07:29] Jacob: Guys are just some dudes we guys been

[03:07:32] Rosetan: Doing secret or just trying to just live

[03:07:37] Jacob: A fulfilled wonderful life and for the for that it's for you guys that happens to me with music and like seeing you guys all grow so freaking much over

[03:07:47] Rosetan: Such a short amount of time I mean just as individuals obviously as a band Eric I have known you for the longest like just seeing you as like one of my very close friends grow as like a band leader but just as a man I think it's just so

[03:08:00] Jacob: Great it's in it really it's I love to Buddy and I love all of you guys and I love the opportunities that you have given me by just coming here into my studio and just opening your hearts to

[03:08:10] Rosetan: This place down here and just saying what comes out of it and I think then that all four of us and a lot of the people who are in the ripples in our wake are going to pick up this torch that with that we're all saying we should pick up and say like hey there's people watching us and there's people who are trying their heart out to do what they want to do and by us doing what we think we should in these little moments and in forming bands and forming communities and making change within each of us it's doing something real so I just want to say B before Jake Ryan's finished is that we want to be able to do this very band on guess wouldn't be able to do what they do without Jake Ryan's opening up his generosity being

[03:08:53] Jacob: Such a gregarious individual who supports this kind of forum and like open a medium for people to come and share their hearts and thoughts with others and it's like a blessing yeah someone like him is here to step up and do that and so yeah I mean very grateful for you for like what you do in the role that you play in people's lives and wanting to learn more about them and wanted to teach others about where people are coming from

[03:09:19] Rosetan: For me personally man I mean like I

[03:09:22] Jacob: Guess you and me on the cover of that acoustic EP for a reason and stuff it's like I didn't rebrand the art with Telesis stuff for a reason I just think it's a very honest capture of like what you know like you said like you know you see me grow a lot and it's like there's a lot of time so I've come to you with a lot of like grief or

[03:09:37] Rosetan: Confusion and whether you grew through it or not you just told me it was valid and I think like it just gave me self-worth towards putting music in this

[03:09:47] Jacob: Area and I think that's like what draws a lot of people to it and stuff it's like you helped cultivate the honesty of whatever what this is that it's roots you know I mean like it started here and it started with you and me in 24 hours trying to crank some mountain man yeah pretty good EP and I hope that I hope that what we continue to do and what any listener continues to do within their community is realize that whatever you're doing does have roots and in those roots can be strong and they can be they can be authentic and you know I think that I just want to continue to be proof and continue to you know expand that the veins that spread from our hearts to our community before we go I got to

[03:10:31] Rosetan: Do the shameless plug of our days anyway not sure when this is coming out and stuff but our first show of 2020s January 3rd we're antidote Tap House in Longview Washington with david robbins and Mason John the next show January 11th that's a Saturday where I asked áown brewing at Longview great local staple were playing with their friends in the wild is she heard a lot of conversation about that recommend to get out there to that one January 14th we're gonna be doing like just some low-key acoustic stuff at Willy Dix first Street Tap House in Kalama a pretty cool spot not finalized yet but in the workings according to my friend Jacob Westfall we could be playing the

[03:11:10] Jacob: Takoma commitment another June 23rd right another Jacob January 23rd Tacoma

[03:11:15] Rosetan: Elks templeman minam uns that's a question mark on that one be sure you follow us on social media at Rosetan band and that will be

[03:11:23] Jacob: Validated or erased soon then January 24th we're heading out to the eastern side of the state at Ellensburg we're playing at the Pearl a really cool stage above a bar it looks exciting my friend Matthew Usher isn't awesome focusing our songwriter out of Seattle

[03:11:39] Rosetan: And he'll be joining us and then the thing about the community that I'm really excited we'll be doing Rosetan is hosting an open mic at antidote Tap

[03:11:48] Jacob: House January 31st now what this means is that there's gonna be several 15-minute slots that we want you as artists or as musicians - please come fill time and we're not going to be doing like a whole set we'll do a couple songs in between for open mic errs and stuff we want to hear you guys it's for anyone man it's for anyone you guys a spoken-word acoustic stuff we have will have a piano set up there if you want to come and play keyboard if you play any other instrument come and show us that this is your this is your chance to just share what you do as an artist with the community and study and you'll be

[03:12:19] Jacob: Welcomed you'll be well get in front of a microphone and speak from your soil it's how I started it's exactly how I started and I've been frustrated there hasn't been a music community and I kind of had this realization where it's like well who else but us then man so please join us all on October 31st at a Tap House for that February dates coming up and being finalized soon and we just really appreciate you guys so much iiiiii I am grateful that we were able to even book a full month like that I've just had and just have consistent work and I'm grateful that I'm doing it with people that I love and I'm grateful that you guys as listeners are tuning in here and elsewhere if you want to hear our music you can hear out Rosetan band Camp calm and on January 3rd an Adele

[03:13:03] Rosetan: We're also playing a brand-new song that is unreleased so we'd love to see you there for that so we'll see you in 2020

[03:13:09] Jacob: Yes love you listener take care of

[03:13:12] Rosetan: Yourself this has been Jake rinds and

[03:13:15] Jacob: Roastin do good do good and be good Junkyard Love podcasts out