Episode 030 with Kelly St. Onge - Mathematics, Science, Quantum Physics and Unlocking The Universe With Knowledge

[00:00:06] Intro: Hello and welcome to the Junkyard Love what's up guys welcome to the junkyard love podcast today's recommendation due to the current release date of the podcast we're currently at the beginning stages of the coronavirus situation so I'm going to recommend something that came up actually today on coronavirus but it's gonna apply for any time that this is listened to it's about fear this is a clip on Tom Bilyeu's Impact Theory

[00:01:00] Kelly: The title is behavioral neuroscientist

[00:01:03] Jacob: Shows you how to break the coronavirus anxiety cycle by Judson Brewer it's

[00:01:08] Kelly: Fantastic I just finished let's do it before I finished up editing this episode so it's fresh my mind but it's

[00:01:15] Jacob: Great to learn about fear you know understand it apply the scientific method to the fear that you're experiencing right now or you my experience in the future understand it you can tackle it with stuff like this so check that out that's on YouTube behavior your behavioral neuroscientist shows you how to break the coronavirus anxiety cycle Judson Brewer Tom Bilyeu's

[00:01:36] Kelly: Is the YouTube account today we've got a

[00:01:40] Jacob: Kelly St. Onge he's a good friend of mine so happy for you guys to meet him and hear his view on the world drink some water sit upright let's go we have chia dog Kelly St. Onge in the house man I'm happy to

[00:01:56] Kelly: Have you on we just kind of went over the subjects that we're gonna try to touch on today I'm hyped I think it's perfect we write it we did have a podcast before but it was I'll probably still post it of course but we didn't really like talk too much into this and

[00:02:11] Jacob: I just think that knowledge is so much power and every way so I think just learning about things you know a lot of ink actually about in this podcast this morning about the scientific method it was a it was just like a 45 insert from how stuff works but uh and I was thinking about it like if I had to correlate it to my human emotions like how have I used a scientific method you know I was thinking when I was like I'm gonna I'm gonna heal my depression I'm gonna get better like I'm sick of hurting I'm gonna do this like I did I use a scientific method I was like what's going on what do I do here like you kind of start testing it you start troubleshooting right oh yeah perfect yeah so yeah I don't know I just thought it was integrated entered my head so I figured out I'd bring that up at the beginning so yeah that's perfect because that goes right into oh and

[00:03:01] Jacob: I'll get there too but that goes into exactly what we're gonna do today perfect yeah so any listeners what we're gonna do today we're going to dance around a few subjects that all correlate we both have a little bit of things written down so we'll try to maybe loose and fun of course we're just kicked back here hanging out of the studio but we are going to try to not dumb down I hate that sentence of course not dumbed down but just kind of conceptualize some things around math and in science and in

[00:03:29] Kelly: Quantum physics and in all these things which I know that sounds intense so if you if those things are hurdles to you

[00:03:36] Jacob: Just I trust us just stick around and just if you hear a sentence that doesn't make sense just keep listening and then a little loop back yes it's something I have listened to I listen to a lot of air Quine science podcast the portal I always send you those I'm always like Kelly you're my math friend like do you think about this concept that guy's so brilliant is so smart but he said that too at the beginning one of his podcasts I think that's kind of what I do have to do it like sometimes I float away for like a minute while he's

[00:04:04] Kelly: Talking and I'm like oh no first yeah then I come right back and it seems like it make sense oh yeah and just bear with us I think it would be an exciting fun conversation happy to have you Kelly yeah thanks for having me yeah heck yeah so I kind of wanted a I really wanted to create a podcast with you that I've been doing or having

[00:04:23] Jacob: To study for the last couple years here

[00:04:26] Kelly: And we're gonna go over basically we're gonna go over computers and we're gonna go into computers quantum computing we're gonna do a little bit of math stuff we're gonna go into A.I. and we're all gonna kind of very

[00:04:43] Jacob: Nicely thread all this little tangle

[00:04:47] Kelly: Them together yes and yeah so I'm gonna

[00:04:53] Jacob: Start with you know computer is kind of like this magic box right everybody kind of has idea of okay this is a computer it has a screen it has a mouse has all

[00:05:05] Kelly: These things that a keyboard and such and yeah I'm gonna go right into it so

[00:05:11] Jacob: The computer has this has what's called

[00:05:15] Kelly: Layers of abstraction so on the very

[00:05:19] Jacob: Bottom level is a is very complex and

[00:05:22] Kelly: Yet very not very abstract and that's

[00:05:25] Jacob: The very layer of physics so it goes in it will go into as we get higher it

[00:05:35] Kelly: Will become less complex and become more

[00:05:40] Jacob: Abstract such that let's say like others you walk into a room and you see a bunch of lights like bunch of light switches all in a room and you think well what are these light switches do there's no lights there's no what do they do right so that's you walk into a room and you just really don't know what you're doing whereas when you have when you get to the highest level of abstraction less complexity you have you will be able to walk into a room and you will be able to say oh I know that these things do this so if I turn on the light lights turn on so that's kind of what happens but I'll go into more of the light switch analogy here in a little bit so yeah on the very bottom level of this abstraction there's the physics level so you know it has to do with electrical

[00:06:43] Kelly: Current going to a switch on turning off okay as we go higher we have what are called bits and these are important because what I'll get back to these later when it comes to quantum computing so a light switch is kind of like one bit you can turn it on turn it off right so binary so the net that's that's where the binary level comes from it's the it's the set of instructions that a machine can understand we cannot understand can you understand so if you see like a wall binary Jake can you understand any of it yeah okay I mean either can I like it's something that the computer does understands really fast that's the other thing about computers people will go oh well I got a smartphone I got I got a laptop that does all those cool stuff

[00:07:36] Jacob: For me well computers are really dumb yeah I said it Peters like dumb

[00:07:42] Kelly: **** Alexa I'm sorry so don't hurt

[00:07:47] Jacob: Me oh my god no way yeah this can I got one sitting here okay yeah no how are they dumb so computers are dumb because I mean literally Mike I have mine right Ropin right here right it hasn't really done anything it's not

[00:08:07] Kelly: Like you and I are having a conversation

[00:08:09] Jacob: Right now and I'm trying to explain the

[00:08:12] Kelly: Layers of abstraction and computing to you in such a meaningful way whereas my computer all it's done it's just it's just sat here and waited for me to do something right yeah it's doing nothing until you until you interact with it until you tell it what to do I mean and they and then in such it's not like it intelligent figures out these from the magic universe problems it answers questions that it's already been given it's its it has answers if this than that right yes correct it's correct you're a hundred percent correct so

[00:08:45] Jacob: On the other hand the thing is that humans and I hate I mean I hate to say

[00:08:52] Kelly: It but humans are actually compared to computers are really smart meaning we can have we can extrapolate ideas we can communicate between each other here we can do all the stuff the only thing that is that we are really slow humans are really slow when it

[00:09:09] Jacob: Comes to crunching numbers or doing

[00:09:12] Kelly: Repetitive tasks or things like that

[00:09:15] Jacob: Whereas computers are really fast so

[00:09:18] Kelly: When you decide to bring those two

[00:09:21] Jacob: Together you get something that's just really amazing you know so just like you said I mean you're kind of in this higher level of abstraction the

[00:09:33] Kelly: If-then statements that and I'll get to that in a little bit and also get to what's known as debugging - I mean you actually injured in intro to that in

[00:09:42] Jacob: Your introduction but so anyways back to

[00:09:46] Kelly: Bits so there's just like the light

[00:09:53] Jacob: Switches in the room so each light switch is a bit and usually it goes and powers of two it can go in three but you don't want to so if you had four light

[00:10:06] Kelly: Switches in a room that's four bits that

[00:10:11] Jacob: The number of different ways you can

[00:10:13] Kelly: Assign that light switch is sixteen different ways so I think of like one on and the rest off and then the next one on the second or the second one on the first one off yeah so it's ^ in is

[00:10:29] Jacob: The formula but uh yeah and you might have seen it just messing around with like Ableton and stuff usually the architecture or the bus address for

[00:10:41] Kelly: For programs like 32-bit 64-bit right things like that has to do with that right yeah okay I just

[00:10:51] Jacob: Jump the gap there yeah cool so let's say you were to walk into this room and you see six of row 64 light switches and you go okay well I can actually meaningfully turn these light switches on such that I can get a desired effect well one of the cool things is that you can actually assign the farthest row of light switches or the furthest light switches from the left to do to be an instruction so let's say and it's all so

[00:11:28] Kelly: Like let's say you divide each these

[00:11:31] Jacob: Light switches into eight sort of thing so if you had one light row of light switches does this thing and another row of light switches is the next bit the next bit the next bit so let's say you wanted to add you know 120 to 280 something like that

[00:11:53] Kelly: Well you'd actually assign the first that first row bits that on the very far left you can actually say okay I want to tell to say that okay if you if you were to say I want to make the firt the

[00:12:13] Jacob: Third light switch the is so it's zero

[00:12:18] Kelly: One zero and then the remaining bits for the number I want that instruction to be known as add so then I can have 16 different operations where it's like I want it I want it to do I want the information that's coming in to do what I wanted to do so I wanted to add or I wanted to subtract or I want it

[00:12:42] Jacob: To multiply I can have 16-bit I could

[00:12:45] Kelly: Have sixteen instructions doing whatever

[00:12:47] Jacob: I want to the following binary numbers so you have the so in these light switches you have at the beginning it's just like an on or off yes or no oh yeah

[00:12:59] Kelly: So it works from left to right

[00:13:02] Jacob: It the it's all separate into 8/8

[00:13:07] Kelly: Because it's eight bits but there's so eight bits is a word and then four bits is a byte right and then two bits let's what's less than a byte Jake

[00:13:27] Jacob: Okay so when you when you take a little bit of a bite what is that it's a nibble

[00:13:35] Kelly: Actually I don't know what the trick is

[00:13:40] Jacob: Who ever got to that was like

[00:13:44] Kelly: Science let's make it cute okay so I was trying to just visualize the light switch so it's essentially like these light switches do this but what you're saying is you can program these light switches you can program the first eight to say when I want to add or I wanted to do this yeah so in order us to in order for us to get to the other 56 light switches if we have 64 the first eight are now designated to tell the signal what to do as it gets to the other way yes that's you got it yep cool okay people are following along and I think that kind of makes sense that's a good job so yeah great job so you walk into this room and you're like but that can be you don't want to just okay I want to add two numbers right I don't want to flip on all these dang light switches all right that just can I get like something like a robot or some something else to do that for me and so that's where the next layer of abstraction comes in okay so as we

[00:14:39] Kelly: Getting hired we're getting we're getting more what if I were to have like a magic wand that does this for me I hate to use a magic wand but let's say I

[00:14:48] Jacob: Had would you though yeah I would love but let's say like I had or let's say I had I could give it a command that says okay well actually I want I want you to move this bit of data into this register and do this and do that and then add them together without having to turn all these damn light switches on that

[00:15:13] Kelly: Is actually called assembly so you're

[00:15:16] Jacob: Actually moving outside of the hardware

[00:15:19] Kelly: Side of things and you're moving into the software side of things so where that assembly language will allow you to

[00:15:27] Jacob: Give it give those commands your give give the command to that first register of light switches to say

[00:15:34] Kelly: Okay I want you to move this or I want you to add this or I want you to subtract this the only part about assembly is it still is

[00:15:43] Jacob: Very tedious and not something that we want to say okay move it bit by bit by bit by bit a bit kind of thing where as or because you literally have to go you have to go okay I want you to load in my class what I've learned is you have to go okay I want you to load

[00:16:05] Kelly: Zero into the register one are the want the first register that I want you to then move the value of two into that register and then I want you to load another register or I want you to load another zero into another register and then move that register or move another number into that register and then I want you to add these and then I want you to put it in another register see how that kind of gets just yeah it's so many layers - yeah you were the way I was visualizing is actually kind of like a tree what was the tree we're talking about like just I mean with fractions where you just oh the fractal or the I mean yeah but if you can think of it I'm sure you see it in your mind like that you visualize it like that it's just things that seem so in depth

[00:16:50] Jacob: Right it's kind of a simple task really right it is a super simple job simple so for a computer to get you get to a computer get to A to Z all I have to do is do these quick little trees in its head you know yeah so to speak yeah so but as we're going up so I even gets even higher than that so this is where a

[00:17:10] Kelly: Lot of kids in their seat are computer science program they actually start in C++ which is the first or it's not the

[00:17:18] Jacob: First it's called an object-oriented programming but it's not the first one um but it's the it's pretty much the

[00:17:27] Kelly: Main one it's kind of like I'd like

[00:17:31] Jacob: To equate it to like learning piano first mmm you know how like getting music Yuri yeah if you if you start on a piano first it's almost like you can go anywhere like I've noticed like you hope that's true oh is it is so true it's so true I

[00:17:46] Kelly: Believe it yeah I mean I feel like I'm understanding music and in rhythm in a new way I was just I'm talking about this student it's a new language it's a weird thing like it the more I learned piano the more I'm getting like a little progressing in penis it's a it's hard to put into words because there's not a word language I suppose but it's a kind like learning music is just there's a different language for sure so as we get into this higher programming language it's less abstract so I as a programmer could come in and

[00:18:17] Jacob: Say okay I want this program to do exactly this and then what will happen

[00:18:23] Kelly: Is when I get everything completely

[00:18:25] Jacob: Right when I'm done with it we'll do

[00:18:30] Kelly: What's called it compiles the code but what it's doing is it's breaking down the code that I just wrote into assembly and then from assembly it breaks it down into that machine code for such that the computer can understand it right so

[00:18:48] Jacob: Eventually as we get even higher we get into the end result of it or the highest level of the abstraction which

[00:18:56] Kelly: Is the which is the user interface it's

[00:18:58] Jacob: It's such that you or anybody could walk into a room and go okay I know exactly what to do here I know to put a two here put a plus sign and a two and then hit go and it's gonna give me the answer for right so or even rather and tell me if I'm wrong I might be jumping too far it's basically when it jumps to user

[00:19:21] Kelly: Interface it's basically taking those 64 switches and making it one switch and all you have to do is walk it and hit the switch no ok all right back me up then okay I got lost so okay so it's your so the 64

[00:19:41] Jacob: Light switches are still there but now

[00:19:44] Kelly: There's like there's like a it's like a

[00:19:48] Jacob: Plugin it's like you put let's say you put a machine over the top of this of these 64 light switches right and then you can tell that you can then tell that machine okay I have these command sets that you can do such that I don't have to go around and turn on all these 64 light switches right the machine does it for me so that

[00:20:11] Kelly: Those layers are just added on machines

[00:20:14] Jacob: To wear it will tell the previous

[00:20:16] Kelly: Speech are the Machine below it hey do this right yeah so okay so I kind of was I think I kind of was right there so I usually turn getting 64 switches into one switch that part yeah yes kind of yes the human isn't interact in the human retina walking in the room at this point races right yeah usually you're interacting with yes exactly so it's boiling all down to something

[00:20:40] Jacob: That you can understand as a human

[00:20:43] Kelly: Whereas walking into a room and seeing a

[00:20:46] Jacob: Wall of 64 light switches is like what do we do here you know where do I start so yeah anyways so that's those are the

[00:20:55] Kelly: Layers of abstraction that you go through and a lot of what happens in the C program or a C++ to get from - well how do you how do you get from A to B inside that program well there are

[00:21:15] Jacob: Different algorithms that you can take and an algorithm is just something is just an instruction set it's like if you look on the back of a Nestle Tollhouse chocolate chip package it will tell you okay you need

[00:21:30] Kelly: Salt you need flour you need all this stuff and then you do this and then you do this yeah and then compiling is actually kind of like baking them in a way if you if you really think about okay so to get to the final problem yeah to get to the final thing it compiles so like baking in would be but programming everything is making sure that the algorithm is just an instruction set that's all it is right

[00:21:55] Jacob: So when you're going through your

[00:21:58] Kelly: Instruction set you have an idea of okay

[00:22:01] Jacob: Well how do how do I you know how do I

[00:22:05] Kelly: Use combinational logic to get to an end

[00:22:07] Jacob: Result and that's kind of right

[00:22:10] Kelly: Where you're at when you're talking about the scientific method and how you were you were basically debugging yourself right yeah and debugging debugging so what happens when you program something and then you say you decided to run right it'll actually

[00:22:27] Jacob: Start the very beginning of yours your

[00:22:29] Kelly: Program source key and go step right

[00:22:32] Jacob: Through it until it gets to the end

[00:22:35] Kelly: Until you tell it to stop or it ends or it does something or it hits an error before I get to the end yeah semicolon that's the bane of every program its existence anyways yeah debugging is just like that so I can I can set I can tell different variables inside that programming code I can go I can look at them I can go okay I actually want so I want you to kind of its debugging it's kind of like a fake run of your program so you could put certain like pause points in a way so you put a pause right here on your program and say okay at this point in time what is this variable doing and you can look at it and go okay well I see that I put it into a for loop and I got this loop going it's now at the counters at six times I've gone through this loop so you can say okay well why if it's saying if I'm seeing my

[00:23:37] Kelly: Output and it's getting into seven well why is it getting to seven I can actually put a little stopping point like that and see what exactly it's doing so that's kind of what debugging is and so that's kind of kind of like what you were saying is or even

[00:23:51] Jacob: The if-then statements so if I see that

[00:23:54] Kelly: Like the logic I'm getting isn't quite correct I can go okay well I can step through

[00:24:01] Jacob: There are if-then star if-else

[00:24:04] Kelly: Statements in programming to say that

[00:24:06] Jacob: Okay if it is this then run this

[00:24:11] Kelly: Protis code right saying okay but if it isn't this then it needs to do the rest of this code or it needs to do else if

[00:24:24] Jacob: It's conditional logic is what it is right and you have more than two variables there oh yeah you can have anything you run there it's like if

[00:24:36] Kelly: Anything yeah oh yeah and then there's also such there's also things like case brakes hmm so it'll check to see okay it'll actually go it'll rotate through this thing and say okay if it's zero do this if it's one do this if it's to do this or it could be like if the if the answer is Washington if it's that then do this right and there's a default one where it breaks out that's just case breaks and just like stuff like that yeah but so even just that there and that's the just mean it's hard to understand 'pl it seems a little silly but in a sense it is so simple it is very simple oh yeah it's just you give it an answer in it or you give it a problem and it says if I get to this answer then I know what to do if I get to this answer that I know what to do yeah that's pretty much it

[00:25:31] Jacob: But from the ground up yeah you

[00:25:35] Kelly: Start with your bits and then you even even past those bits so the bits are almost like inputs right and then

[00:25:44] Jacob: You have logical gates so there's an angei there's an or gate there's X or there's an x or there's like I think eight different gates you can do but these gates build up that what's called a nail at the ALU see what's a

[00:26:04] Kelly: Hail you forget that the actual actually

[00:26:10] Jacob: Having Jamie look it up for it that's Joe Rogan's like homie that works for them he looks up all his **** on this

[00:26:18] Kelly: Arithmetic logic unit so okay when you build up these gates you get the ALU but then after the ALU you get the

[00:26:26] Jacob: Actual CPU the little square thing in the middle of motherboard that's their CPU right it's not that's the brain of your computer right there so

[00:26:35] Kelly: Then after that you go up into assembly so that's switching from the hardware side which is your motherboard into the software side of things and then higher than that is the C code and even like dynamic then we just let her like scripting programs and stuff like our scripting languages things like that

[00:26:58] Jacob: Right yeah but how that so there's that

[00:27:05] Kelly: And then there's actual quantum

[00:27:07] Jacob: Computers that are gaining that are kind

[00:27:11] Kelly: Of kind of weird right so people talk about quantum computers and they're just like oh God like that's the end of the world type of thing yeah where what's uh what's it we did it what's Rick and Morty's like vo on quantum quantum computing and because I feel

[00:27:32] Jacob: Like they touch on quantum stuff pretty well if like they lay it out don't you think I mean like a oh like

[00:27:39] Kelly: The box thing like the like I'm

[00:27:43] Jacob: Gonna push this but the gleeble box or something like that where they where as like Rick's car dies and he has to go

[00:27:52] Kelly: Into the mini verse oh yeah yeah where he dives they're like you're just my **** car battery yeah the Google box or something like that but uh but yeah we're like he builds a universe inside a battery to tell these people hey make free energy for ya and they like have a whole existence they think they're just like living this whole world peace among worlds yeah Rick

[00:28:21] Jacob: That's great oh actually that's the show I'm not gonna ruin it but like that when they get way down in the teeny vers so it's it the logic kind of wrote or the

[00:28:35] Kelly: The part where Rick talks the

[00:28:39] Jacob: Morty and then their genius scientist talks to Rick the same way Rick talked to Marty oh yeah and then you kind of there's a little piece that you figure out about Rick because if it's continued so if it's continued like that you actually find out a little bit about his backstory about

[00:28:57] Kelly: So it's kind of it's kind of there's these parts in Rick and Morty where it's just like god that's **** dark that show is deep dude layers deep yeah I

[00:29:06] Jacob: Think my favorite episode was the unity episode because it shows the contrast between science and religion and how like it combines people or it makes people like I'm not gonna go there but it makes people hey we can go there on

[00:29:25] Kelly: This podcast okay we can yeah I guess

[00:29:28] Jacob: But it shows how like without religion and people would tear themselves apart over **** having cone-shaped nipples so it's like oh okay so I give it like

[00:29:43] Kelly: That's actually a good one of the main reasons are a good reason why religions is well I mean humans don't humans aren't born with like a value structure and sometimes I mean there's there is a right and wrong that we feel but we don't **** understand it if it's not sharpened so having a structure of values let's generalize it as that but yeah so okay but actually I'm gonna

[00:30:04] Jacob: Seg with this really nicely so in the

[00:30:07] Kelly: Time episode you actually see you see

[00:30:14] Jacob: Morty he splits the times like into a

[00:30:17] Kelly: Bunch of pieces and they're like on the screen they're like in there all in different universes and stuff well outside of like the garage was a bunch of cats and it's Schrödinger cat mmm

[00:30:28] Jacob: Yeah so huh it's allusion to

[00:30:31] Kelly: Schrödinger cat which kind of brings us full back to full circle here about quantum computers so sure here was this

[00:30:41] Jacob: Physicist guy this is a very famous story I feel like if you're interested in scientist world you've probably heard this term before yeah so sure you use this is this guy or this scientist physicist who had this thought

[00:30:56] Kelly: Experiment that you put this radioactive isotope inside a box and then you put a cat in it and the thing is you close the

[00:31:06] Jacob: Box and the

[00:31:10] Kelly: Of it is you don't know whether either the cat is alive or the cat is dead and you don't know whether or not the cat is

[00:31:18] Jacob: Dead or alive so when that happens so it's basically like the cat is this is this particle right this is photon

[00:31:27] Kelly: Particle and it's in what's called super super position to where we don't know whether or not the cat is alive or dead until we open the box and see this

[00:31:39] Jacob: **** dead so far we can assume we can assume that he's dead we actually don't know it hangs in a 50/50 balance or what you know I'm right logically I guess that's not the right word there about something yeah it's in this 50/50 balance of whether it being alive

[00:31:54] Kelly: Or dead and that has to do with superposition and entanglement wait hold on how did Schroder how does this what was his exact experiment let's see I can let's pull up his exact experiment is that because that does round it out that's a it's essentially saying I remember as you look this up I'll say from Silicon Valley that's a wonderful

[00:32:16] Jacob: Show they have a situation where there's

[00:32:20] Kelly: Essentially a they have a live webcam of an eagle's nest or a bird's nest and they were like waiting for their eggs to hatch or something essentially and then one of the characters in the show called in said hey I think something's going on their eggs haven't hatched so what they were saying was oh and then they had a gentleman come and check on it he checked on the webcam oh yeah checked on that the Eagles but so that

[00:32:47] Jacob: And then what happened is the gentleman who was checking on this like thing and in this forest you know he's checking on this bald eagle in the camera he falls and then so what they're saying what they how they round about is they're like well if you Jared who's a character in the story if you hadn't called about this then that man wouldn't have been in this situation yeah that man wouldn't have fallen to his death most certainly because he observed it yeah so it's kind of this whole it's a you know it seems like a small story but it has this wonderful way to conceptualize a lot of what-ifs yeah so just get a book over there you can

[00:33:23] Kelly: Borrow yeah we'll go into that

[00:33:27] Jacob: Later if you want to matrix stuff yeah well **** it let's just go to do it no

[00:33:35] Kelly: Cameras so yeah Wikipedia's I kind of got it right so it's an interpretation of quantum mechanics applied to everyday objects the scenario represents presents a

[00:33:49] Jacob: Hypothetical cat that might that may

[00:33:51] Kelly: Simultaneously be both alive and dead a state known as quantum superposition as

[00:33:58] Jacob: A result of being linked to a random subatomic event that may or may not occur a thought experiment is also often

[00:34:07] Kelly: Featured in theoretical discussion discussions of interpretations of

[00:34:12] Jacob: Quantum mechanics see yeah it's

[00:34:21] Kelly: Just it's observing whether or not the cat's alive or dead so you get into so

[00:34:28] Jacob: When you look at particles and we split

[00:34:33] Kelly: These particles and I might go into CERN

[00:34:36] Jacob: Later I'm not sure talk about certain

[00:34:39] Kelly: Later okay so when you split these

[00:34:44] Jacob: Photons they are both connected equally

[00:34:48] Kelly: So photons can actually exist two places at once crazy right but they have they have

[00:34:57] Jacob: Really high energy states as why they can blip in and out of existence real quick which is **** weird yeah we understand that really well yeah don't I'm not I'm really trained on

[00:35:10] Kelly: Classical physics and not quantum physics so I know right enough to get by to swim the waters of quantum physics but I can't I'm not gonna dive deeper than that right no and I wouldn't expect you to I just like being able to these words come up so often in there they're going to be more and more in our normal language you know we use science and technology more and more so I think it's cool that you're able to explain such that you are but entanglement is just this thing where basically when you split these photons they exist in to two places at once so whatever so you can be light-years away and these things are still connected somehow it's crazy

[00:35:53] Jacob: Yeah but I mean well it's not crazy because space and time are all connected linearly across the fabric of space so yeah anyways these particles are

[00:36:05] Kelly: Tied together and if you were to observe them or better yet like measure them you don't have to it's not physically looking at something it's actually measuring it and say okay this particle is there positive or negative or so this isn't like if I'm just like a

[00:36:23] Jacob: Sneak up on it okay yeah you're not gonna sneak up on it so it's actually it's measuring it's measuring it yeah saying this is this is that yeah correct so until you actually measure this thing

[00:36:39] Kelly: That's it will if you measure and see

[00:36:43] Jacob: Okay that this photon particle is actually positive then it collapses that

[00:36:48] Kelly: Entanglement and says okay this particle

[00:36:52] Jacob: Is positive whereas it'll go back so as soon as you're I think yeah so once it's measured it's done its collapses into that thing whereas more

[00:37:05] Kelly: Photons are out there and they're in that superposition of either being of

[00:37:09] Jacob: Either being it's like a coin it's okay it's like a coin okay so think of like you toss a coin up into the air you don't know whether it's heads or tails yet and it just keeps rotating and

[00:37:24] Kelly: Rotating and rotating but until you clap claps your hands around a rabbit stop and look at it you don't know whether it's heads or tails it is both heads and in tails at the same time and also not

[00:37:36] Jacob: Heads wait so is that yeah does that ever get into any sort of like or is that just a quantum statement that's not the right way to use words but like it's so it's not yes not just yet - no but it's also maybe gosh man I was I'm

[00:37:55] Kelly: Sorry that was that was gonna be some sort of there was a concept that floated in my mind for a second know that I was like this is a middle out algorithm but I thought I was thinking a bit as probably just comes back to if it comes back I'll try to solve the problem but yeah that's so basically when you split that particle it's it has this entanglement - and it's in that superposition of being either heads or tails positive or negative and until we

[00:38:28] Jacob: Observe it just it's in that

[00:38:32] Kelly: State of superposition so what does this

[00:38:35] Jacob: Have to do with quantum computers well we're going to go back to we're gonna go

[00:38:42] Kelly: Back to bits in the light switches right

[00:38:45] Jacob: So we understand that we understand that

[00:38:49] Kelly: These light switches are zeros and ones

[00:38:53] Jacob: Right but the problem then becomes okay what so how do we use that quantum rail

[00:39:01] Kelly: To represent these zeros and ones well

[00:39:04] Jacob: There's really no way you can so the these people they built this very elaborate machines called quantum computers and they use what's called qubits and these qubits can be in

[00:39:17] Kelly: Multiple states at once and they

[00:39:20] Jacob: Actually use quantum gates like the and

[00:39:22] Kelly: Or XOR or those kinds of combinational gates to make the ALU in the cpu so the problem with quantum computers are really fast and that's the reason why they're fast is that they can actually use that super that the superposition of those qubits to make

[00:39:43] Jacob: Combinational data possible right so the

[00:39:49] Kelly: Problem that why don't we

[00:39:53] Jacob: See you know why don't we see quantum

[00:39:56] Kelly: Laptops well the problem there is is that we don't necessarily really understand how to use the layers of

[00:40:05] Jacob: Abstraction like how I how I represented it in a normal computer it can't cross that threshold of going from the

[00:40:14] Kelly: Hardware side to the software side and

[00:40:18] Jacob: That's why like we don't see that

[00:40:21] Kelly: Because quantum computers just a problem

[00:40:24] Jacob: With clones right this is a huge gap right here but so clones we can like okay we can make like it'll look exactly like a human all the we measured the exact amount of the insides but how it got there like the whoa I mean I'm not

[00:40:39] Kelly: Sure I'm not sure yeah carry on anyways

[00:40:43] Jacob: Um so um let's see

[00:40:51] Kelly: Oh the layers of abstraction yeah so

[00:40:57] Jacob: Yeah the quantum computers are designed to do very specific tasks but do them very quickly very much more efficiently than a normal computer does but the layer of abstraction that it has isn't met by let's say there's the computers that we know it to do so we can't actually we

[00:41:16] Kelly: Can't really program this thing we can

[00:41:19] Jacob: Only do very low-level calculations

[00:41:24] Kelly: Really fast right so that's why I wanted to get into so I'll make that segue and I'll go into prime numbers so what so

[00:41:34] Jacob: The problem that we're facing with

[00:41:37] Kelly: Quantum computers is that the decryption

[00:41:41] Jacob: That we use normally is

[00:41:44] Kelly: Maintained by prime numbers so what is a prime number well a prime number is something that divides or is divisible by 1 and itself you know if you look at 3 5 7 11 17 things like that those prime numbers right but the thing that

[00:42:06] Jacob: They do is they use really

[00:42:09] Kelly: Big prime numbers I'm talking like all

[00:42:13] Jacob: You bring up illegal primes right now and

[00:42:16] Kelly: I'll show you the Eco crimes yeah legal

[00:42:19] Jacob: Numbers - you can't have this number or they'll throw you in jail isn't that crazy like it makes it doesn't make sense because it's like it's just a number like I can actually think of it right now if I wanted to like wait how would you get her in jail yeah I'll get to that in a minute so yeah I know that **** where's our the

[00:42:40] Kelly: Nuclear codes no nuclear codes but yeah so you look at see look at this

[00:42:49] Jacob: Number and it's just this huge ass

[00:42:52] Kelly: Number prime number so you can just search so people in the church is this what would you search how to write it just a legal political prime number read it but see actually this is actually a good one too because it'll actually go into kind of what I'm going to talk about here in a minute Oh in the comments they do yeah so

[00:43:10] Jacob: It's a check along friend just google

[00:43:13] Kelly: Reddit illegal prime number see what pops up area and I don't think that this is actually a prime number I think somewhere in the sequence or no it's a it's a zip file that can lead to it is what it is but I don't think that this is actually it because I think they somewhere in that sequence they changed one number right so that's crazy right it's like that that one number makes it from prime to not prime that's weird but so what if what if you were looking at that right there and it had the correct number in it I think the FBI

[00:43:50] Jacob: Would actually contact this person at some point be like yo take that down so

[00:43:58] Kelly: Here's the crazy thing is why is

[00:44:01] Jacob: This thing so illegal so when you're using decryption there's what's called public keys so let's say you log into your bank account your bank account sends a key that has a one huge ass

[00:44:19] Kelly: Prime number in it and I think baking keys are something they have like a they have a allotted amount of 'is that banks can use for our prime number keys that people can use to access their **** but they want it to do is they want it to match the R if I got it right it's you want to so it's a

[00:44:43] Jacob: Handshake right it's you saying

[00:44:45] Kelly: Okay I got my login information I want to make sure this is cure so they use that prime number to say okay this is

[00:44:52] Jacob: Actually the right thing we're good this

[00:44:55] Kelly: Guy's good so the problem is that when you're trying like hackers right when they're trying to figure out okay I want to figure out what this guy's banking thing is right so I want to

[00:45:09] Jacob: Figure out okay I can factor big numbers

[00:45:12] Kelly: Right and they use prime numbers for a reason because it's only divisible by 1 and itself so they use a prime number because it'll

[00:45:20] Jacob: Sit there it'll go okay a computer can

[00:45:22] Kelly: Factorize a million the number a million into it's all it's different factors really quickly but it does that by

[00:45:29] Jacob: Guessing and checking and say okay I got all the factors um I'm good but it'll if

[00:45:36] Kelly: You have a big number like that it goes I got a check all these and I got a I got to make sure that this comes out right and it sits there and it sits and spins and spins and spins it's gears and goes and it just takes

[00:45:53] Jacob: Forever for it to compute and eventually I mean if you give it enough time it'll spit you out something but the key

[00:45:59] Kelly: Is not I mean we're human we don't dialed it right anyone got time for that yeah hey so the use prime numbers but the problem is the quantum computers will be able to say **** that we got it

[00:46:16] Jacob: Like quick like yeah instantly so

[00:46:20] Kelly: That's the main issue between but

[00:46:25] Jacob: The other thing is also the abstraction

[00:46:27] Kelly: Levels to it too so anyways yeah that's that's how prime numbers comes into play but the coolest thing the reason why those prime numbers are illegal is I think back in the day you know actually in that reddit thread back in the day this DVD pirating was huge it still

[00:46:49] Jacob: Is huge but what people what the DVD company and decided to do is put a crib machine key yeah they decided to put that encryption key on it so that people couldn't just rip off their stuff just like that you know so I think someone

[00:47:08] Kelly: Somewhere figured out that it was this illegal prime number and what they did was this they I think they sold the go they went to a company to go hey I got the I got I didn't know the encryption key to this so what they did was this company was like okay well well uh we'll pay you for this and we'll use will use this encryption key inside of our devices that will allow you to

[00:47:36] Jacob: Bust open busts open this DVD and then then pirate it or upload it to a web so people compared it right I mean it's brilliant right well the FCC it was like

[00:47:50] Kelly: That you can't do that like we're gonna we're gonna throw you in jail but having that encryption key are having these legal prime numbers because the company had it they undoubtedly had it like you can crack open this their device that strips the information inside a DVD and it was there it was brought as day like your **** how does it rights yeah so that's good just looping that to the ingredients thing so that's like knowing like so if the back of your back of your thing says flour

[00:48:22] Jacob: Apples and cornstarch and that's what makes it tells you exactly how much flour it tell us exactly how much cornstarch it tells you the ingredients not just the ingredients good but how it **** works it's like having the secret union it's like having secret yeah it's kind of like heaven the well I guess not a super time but I was thing about like also that you know Kings back in the day they'd have like their official stamp oh yeah like if you open like this is from me and yeah me

[00:48:48] Kelly: And yeah there's no ring yeah yeah I forget what the ex that's called why am i what is that called and I totally this is like my favorite terminology world over here I should know this okay maybe it's not even a cool name but but yeah it is it is like but it's like

[00:49:04] Jacob: Having that it's having that special stamp or a special ingredient that says that you don't include it's like KFC you

[00:49:12] Kelly: Know you don't what's the secret herbs and spices you know like you have ma the juice yes tell your business model maybe there is Kung Fu Panda boom you

[00:49:24] Jacob: Know that's such a good movie a great movie that's actually I actually just watch that like the other day no **** Shaylee and I just watched it in London lengthen two months ago yeah you know I noticed I mentioned that I was in London like I just want people to know that I was in London dude watch it anyway how funny would it be so like you know how in movies how they'll

[00:49:45] Kelly: Get like actors or voice actors to

[00:49:49] Jacob: Redub the actual thing but I imagine

[00:49:55] Kelly: It'd be so I mean Kung Fu Panda is in English obviously imagine if it was like in like cockney like English oh don't know see a

[00:50:06] Jacob: Gradient see green your **** yang alright **** off when she was a sequin greedy man **** off I don't know God okay hey you know what I do want to talk about also more cockney that way okay I did go to this I always just want to mention this I went to this pub shayna any was a it was a cockney a cockney I don't know what he call him cockney singer who's a cockney pub performer yeah but em what do you do is so great like it was just you go into this small pub and they had and we were super hungry so we ate we were like the people who were eating any question eat but everybody just singing along they have their pints like people are just like spilling their beer although it's like this fun like everybody's singing and he's just in the corner with a curled mustache singing like cool Irish songs and cool you know British songs that one denies that but I've hunted year old pup songs yeah dude it's just so fun it was so fun I love mentioning that because you just the cockney pub thing but I do want

[00:51:10] Kelly: To talk about something that we touched on right before this was a coolness real quick because it equates to kind of we're just worried with the quantum computing yeah recently this is not meant to be a scary thing but recently Google has they've got their version of The summit computer the quantum can oh yeah so there's a football-sized so here's the way that I know and please correct me if I'm wrong there's a football-sized computer I think it's in California summit it might not be in California but it's essentially its football sized computers it's racks of computers inside a warehouse or whatever that are just solving problems it's just solving the **** problem of problems the problems that you don't know exists or think that we need to know it's looking in those up and it's trying to figure them out and whatever that's my understanding so my

[00:51:57] Kelly: In what Google now has is recently within the last couple months we thought this was like 10 years out or something but they achieved the fridge sized version of that exact same thing Jesus yeah that's scary yeah **** hell I mean in again I they did say they're like oh and it's a hundred times faster they said that too which is creepy but I don't I don't know if all these I don't think these things equate

[00:52:22] Jacob: Across the board as much as they likes in conversation you know they simply like relate like oh it's the exact same thing is the football field but smaller like I don't think it's that simple but

[00:52:32] Kelly: Quantum computing is a very interesting

[00:52:35] Jacob: Thing yeah but still yeah supercomputers supercomputers are different from our soul different from quantum computers I mean we asked but so super computers are

[00:52:47] Kelly: Still a computer that is still going off zeros and ones it's not going off with qubits or anything like that but it is very so the super computer hasn't even jumped into kono competing um well think of think of like quantum computers as something people use as very the use quantum beginning as for

[00:53:08] Jacob: Very specific things like even though these super computers could actually now do the same processes the how all has to do with what you'd really try to so the problems that so it really depends on what you want to try to do so if you want to like map genomes and stuff like that I mean you'd almost want to use a supercomputer to do that because you're looking at mounds and mounds of data like so you want to sift

[00:53:41] Kelly: Through that and look for things or whereas quantum computing it will do different things much quicker because it doesn't have to rely on zeros and ones it's that super position that it's relying on right so mmm no it's actually

[00:53:57] Jacob: So even scary so I think supercomputers

[00:54:02] Kelly: Run off of what are called flops so there used to be used to be called used

[00:54:08] Jacob: To be called MIPS now millions

[00:54:11] Kelly: Of something per second but it's actually starting to get into what's called xxo scale and it refers to computing systems capable of at least one exaflop or a billion

[00:54:26] Jacob: Quintillion or it's a billion is

[00:54:30] Kelly: A continent calculations per second a

[00:54:32] Jacob: Billion Jake per second our brains don't even our brains think that were like yeah I get that your brains don't get that it's just like the population what right yeah we know what seven point six billion people that's this many people our brains don't understand the number but MIPS is a cute version yeah if I want to name a cat MIPS actually want to

[00:54:54] Kelly: Kit

[00:54:56] Jacob: Yeah it's nuts because you we're

[00:54:58] Kelly: Starting to get into when you have that

[00:55:02] Jacob: That crazy or that amount of

[00:55:06] Kelly: Calculations per second you're starting

[00:55:09] Jacob: To get into or you're starting to get into the capacity of an of a neural or

[00:55:16] Kelly: What our brains could actually do so our brains are still really **** powerful yeah like but it's just weird because you were now starting to really get into the threshold of holy **** like

[00:55:32] Jacob: We're starting to we will I mean I

[00:55:35] Kelly: Almost think that we will see what is called the singularity in our lifetime Jake it's gonna I think so - actually it's I mean and it's not a matter of if it's a matter of when and

[00:55:47] Jacob: Yeah I think it's yeah I think it's

[00:55:50] Kelly: Gonna it's dude it's there's so many so

[00:55:54] Jacob: Many things that like I think like you you think you're like oh here's how we're gonna get there and here's how that's gonna happen but I feel like it's gonna be like we you know when

[00:56:04] Kelly: We've reached the singularity like whatever the **** that really means even yeah like what like how it's going to happen how we're going to get there and like when and the time for it like it's gonna be so far-fetched we're gonna be like yeah it's something we can't even think about right now no it's gonna be a whole different language so going into that there I mean we talked about A.I. their most shockingly talking about what's called narrow there's two branches of A.I. there's the ones that we know Alexa Siri

[00:56:35] Jacob: Things like that and then there's that's the narrow A.I. and then there's the broad A.I. which is the spooky one and the

[00:56:41] Kelly: Spooky one is something that will that that is the singularity it will happen i

[00:56:49] Jacob: I hope in our lifetime you know weird I know that's it's kind of messed up to say that I want to see it in our lifetime but because it's it is scary I mean you got people like Elon Musk's saying it's like summoning a demon and it really is like something Indian there's a lot of people who think it's exactly so many and it could it could

[00:57:08] Kelly: Spell disaster for humans mm-hmm just not I think I think there's a lot of blind optimism about it which but

[00:57:16] Jacob: But I also think that like we're right to be scared right but we can't stop progressing it's this weird I don't know I mean I'm not I'm not in I'm not even at any like I'm not piloting any ships towards this harbor by any means you know I'm not solving any of these quantum things myself so I don't know it's all different ones but it's going to change a lot of the way we do yeah and I and you put so I mean I hope

[00:57:45] Kelly: Of all you listeners have lists or watch the Mandalorian and if you haven't I'll try and not ruin it but you know what actually let's just so you have an open platform let's just say right here if you have not seen the Mandalorian on the disney plus disney go out someplace we are going to have some spoilers here it's a wonderful show we won't ruin it even if we talked about some things it's definitely watching it's super **** good so demand oh he shows up to this guy his name is quill names quill right we glue something like that he's a farmer he helps so the mando helps the farmer or a farmer out by getting rid of these thugs in the base and they kind of spark a friendship and he's like kind of like the only guy you can trust and in the

[00:58:30] Jacob: Beginning of the of the series there's other bounty hunter look going after baby Yoda is an IG droid and it's just just the thug killer dude goes in and wrecks these fools yeah it's awesome and then so this IG droid was like

[00:58:48] Kelly: **** this I'm gonna kill this baby Etta

[00:58:51] Jacob: And Amanda was like **** now I like

[00:58:55] Kelly: The baby out of **** shoots the IgG right in the head yep **** dope right so being as resourceful as this quill guy is after the mando leaves this cool

[00:59:05] Jacob: Guy picks up the IG droid and programs it to two and then all that I looked into the background of IG droids I apparently like these things were like as soon as they turn like they turned them on they destroyed all the research scientists yeah they just follow orders yeah they just follow the orders do what they're told it's a road so yeah so and I'm and oh it showed him it was like a very big like blaster shot to the head in fact of his thing and they made it clear that like destroyed his toes he's done he's decommissioned so how does

[00:59:36] Kelly: This all apply well when so the mando got into some trouble and he came back to quill and was like yo in the mando he doesn't trust droids though it's obvious he doesn't trust droids he does electrodes and he comes back to her quill and the next thing he sees is that here's this IG droid back in action and he's

[00:59:58] Jacob: Like what the hell like yeah this thing's a ruthless killer it's designed to kill the baby Yoda like it's yeah I don't like it like eff that like no way

[01:00:09] Kelly: He's like whoa he's like look

[01:00:12] Jacob: I brought it back to my workshop i

[01:00:15] Kelly: Reprogrammed it to do this I can reprogram it to be a nurse droid like it will serve me and it shows a whole cut

[01:00:23] Jacob: Scene of quill teaching this IG droid to

[01:00:28] Kelly: To do certain things and it's a warm scene to that they give you this like okay we trust quill they give you this like we understand man to our character here but we trust we trust quill with this like changed this

[01:00:42] Jacob: Yeah he changed this ruthless killer droid into a functioning serving thing

[01:00:49] Kelly: To operate into and to work with

[01:00:53] Jacob: Him instead of against him so immediately I thought in the back of my head like oh my god that is such a reference to like how people look at A.I. and he's like he goes look like it's the programmer who programs this machine to do the things that it needs to if it's programmed to kill it will kill if it's programmed to serve you into and to be kind and to do these things it will do

[01:01:20] Kelly: That and so when I talk when we think about like the broad A.I. and people he'll just doomsday thing and it's not

[01:01:29] Jacob: Until it can be like that and it might be like that I'm not sure but if we put in measures in place to where we

[01:01:39] Kelly: See that okay like we and it's tough because we say that it's A.I. right but if

[01:01:50] Jacob: We control it's not really A.I. so what what measures can we put in place to make sure that it doesn't just end up destroying us because if we go okay I

[01:02:02] Kelly: Want you to I want you to or I want I want you to take control of

[01:02:11] Jacob: Stock markets or whatever or whatever you design to do how could you know if at one point it decides okay well and it

[01:02:24] Kelly: Could be just the most subtle little you

[01:02:27] Jacob: Know snowball effect on something like

[01:02:30] Kelly: Oh well this humans are now doing this now I have to I have to protect what is

[01:02:39] Jacob: I'm designed for is to make sure that

[01:02:43] Kelly: This the system stays in place and is

[01:02:45] Jacob: Balanced and does if I'm if I'm threatened then I have to take care of the problem which is humans that's where it gets **** up that's right yeah so if you give it a just this is over simplify to give it a task open all the coca-cola bottles in the world yeah like do that and the fastest way possible go right now you give it a test you're human you type you say this is what you do toward go Lord goes but the fastest way to do it because you said the fastest yeah without these some variables some laws let's say a robot laws it's okay the fastest way to do it is to kill all humans real quick and use

[01:03:23] Kelly: Their fingernails to throw **** you know throw at the top of all the Pepsi cans or whatever I decide Coco again the bottles it's yeah it will find the shortest distance and it will it's kind of cutting corners essentially yeah without yeah not having any kind of

[01:03:42] Jacob: Well actually what I should do is gathered all the cool pins just pop them off and isn't it doesn't do that yeah it's like you said the fastest yeah it was so fast yeah it's like what's I still can't think of it we talked about it but it's like what it's like malicious web oh I almost like a half of

[01:04:02] Kelly: It's malicious compliance is what it's called complain and malicious compliance it's like it's kind of like your mom telling you to clean your room and then moving everything outside of your room such that there's nothing inside right yeah like it's clean it's clean it's kind of nothing in there and clean it of all the did the TV and everything that's I mean that's like that's a great example of malicious compliance it's very is that kind of lays out like it will find the smallest thing I think that I heard one thing but it's not malicious it's just them making the connection right

[01:04:33] Jacob: Yeah so that's the thing is I think that you know as a basic human understanding a lot of times we I don't know this for sure but we might see it as like oh well it's gonna it's gonna get human emotions and do things maliciously yeah like it no it's not actually doing things maliciously it's not like it picks up the evil from the person who programmed it's just the person who programmed it told it to do these things and if they didn't have the right checks and balances it's gonna be contributed as something evil yes it might kill people but I mean yeah I mean that I

[01:05:05] Kelly: Destroyed still went into that base and murked fools but wait what was the part where he so again spoiler Mandalorian and the part in the end worried the droid they were in the boat thanks a lot yes love about so remember at the end that was an argument that's a good example of his programming actually which well an interesting examples I don't think we're don't think what he was doing in the scene I don't think we're at yet right technology was I don't think yeah it

[01:05:35] Jacob: Gave they gave the demand oh the so

[01:05:39] Kelly: Should I resort back to my old programming or should you want to just keep going yeah so I don't know something like that but yeah it was essentially saying like my what's the most viable option to keep my main programming like keep baby ode alive what's gonna be the like sacrificing myself as a droid is the most plausible outcome to keep this baby out alive I think it was like that but yeah but I can't do it unless I'm told to resort

[01:06:05] Jacob: Back to my main programming right yeah dude yeah that just like that jarred in the back of my head I was like that has everything to do with like what's gonna happen in the next how many ever years as if we're gonna I hope to see it but

[01:06:26] Kelly: We definitely have to put protocols and things in place and I don't know if that means augmenting humans with machines because it might it might be that or it might be something else I don't know I haven't gone that far in my science career so but I'm pretty far but I haven't gotten that far what is your what are your class I think I asked you nothing but what are your what are your classes you two obviously C+ programming oh dude I've taken two oh my god okay so like just completely lame out okay Oh like all of them are just computers what have we develop it okay so how to

[01:07:01] Jacob: Take three quarters of engineering physics which is just going over the classical physics I've had I started at let's see I started at trig I placed in the trig and then moved up to pre calc

[01:07:17] Kelly: And from those calculus as I made it

[01:07:19] Jacob: Through calc 4 and then past calc for

[01:07:23] Kelly: I've done linear algebra and differential equations for computing

[01:07:29] Jacob: I've done C++ is what they start yeah it's basically as it's learning piano for the rest of the computer languages and then you going well I've

[01:07:42] Kelly: Also done Discrete Math which is learning about like numbers number

[01:07:47] Jacob: Theory and number sets and like how there's more than one infinite there's like so there's a set of all numbers right like normal numbers 1 2 3 4 5 but how many numbers are in between how many numbers are in between 1 & 2 there's an infinite set of numbers between 1 & 2 and that's a different infinite

[01:08:10] Kelly: Or the numbers of all those numbers inside that numbers is a different infinite what was the aim of that class Discrete Math concept is but if that's the one where it's like it gets into weird symbols I'll show you it gets into like how what's that class was that oh it was it was awesome I loved it because it's like the guy who taught it his name is Nick Macias he's a bit of a unicorn down there at Clark I don't know why the

[01:08:40] Jacob: Guys teaching he's just this he's the

[01:08:42] Kelly: Kind of guy where you can tell because

[01:08:46] Jacob: You know if you ever watch the Joe Rogan thing even you see how like Elon sit there and he'll like you can see that you can just tell the gears are moving a mile a minute I think he has 17 layers deeper than a lot of us you know dude for real some of us do with different depending on your I don't know intellectual ability you can hold you can hold layers you know like this you can kind of get to notice how many layers deep you can hold a concept and be able to come back to the original concept but dude that guy **** hold 17 layers anybody yeah

[01:09:18] Kelly: And this guy this Nick Macias guy he could just you would ask him a question and he was already like and the crazy part was he wouldn't he wouldn't necessarily look at you straight in the eye mm-hm I don't know if that's just like who is or just what did it but you can just tell like the gears in that guy's head are moving

[01:09:37] Jacob: Right and I don't know why he was teaching you but he taught it in such a way it was really cool is like the logical part of it was you know if like if it's if you see water on the ground you know doesn't mean it's raining that's that was one of the questions that got brought up there's water if you walk outside and there's water in the ground doesn't mean it's raining I mean someone could be on the roof with a hose someone could be up there pissing on you it just depending xed to a spring yeah so he you can beam it you have your

[01:10:14] Kelly: Pipes just broke ten layers deep yeah exactly that could be so many things someone could one out there with a bucket and just say I don't know but

[01:10:22] Jacob: It's learning that logic system it's so if I said if I said A+ not be what is that equal hey yeah thank you got it great that's exactly that's exactly it but it gets much higher than that right yeah I mean think about telling like all right all right computer who is just ones and zeroes or whatever it is like what yeah but you learn this yes that's is so crazy but it's great it's cool to think like you know just what I said at the beginning relating that back to like problem-solving yep it seems like this thing that science seems like this out-of-reach thing or something that's like oh it's not like my interest or it's not like my I mean I see it's all over in your life and you know I love science too but I love emphasizing to the regular people that like do like the way that science is done is how like humans work backwards like you like you figure so foul perfect I do it's it's perfect dude you got that it's alright great I love them so let me let me ask you this

[01:11:31] Kelly: Or here's another question from that guy that or Nick Macias and that is a professor at Clark one of the things he brings up is it's called mathematical induction is the coin term of it but the

[01:11:44] Jacob: Question is if you were to walk from Cowell to Boston how would you do it you have to walk ok this isn't it's not a

[01:11:58] Kelly: Trick question

[01:12:01] Jacob: I mean I suppose they would just plot the shortest distance there the quickest distance from here to there yeah but how are you gonna do that

[01:12:11] Kelly: Start walking

[01:12:13] Jacob: Yes that's it you can get from Seattle to Boston all you have to do put one

[01:12:20] Kelly: Foot in front of the other that's induction and it's it goes way deeper than that because you have to prove it and Discrete Math is doing that it's

[01:12:30] Jacob: It's okay prove that this number is even and it's oh is it divisible by 2 if it is then yes it is even if it's odd it's 2 n plus 1 so **** like that it's

[01:12:43] Kelly: Discrete Math definitive in all cases or is it's Discrete Math something that you could just keep taking semesters and quarters of Discrete Math and learning different layers and oh no it's just it's just that one layer I promise it's not like calculus ok I could say on the surface right now I'm thinking that it just complicates everything times no it's learning it's just number theory and learning how these numbers interact we had a show there but the main point of it is yes you can get from you can get from Seattle to Boston but

[01:13:15] Jacob: How do you prove that and it's learning okay well there is a road structure there is a path to get there and it's all it really is putting one foot in front the other yes it's there's no there's no thing in the middle where it's like haha like you get to Missouri and you're like it's there's no roads anymore you're **** so but yeah it's anyways

[01:13:41] Kelly: Yeah that's Discrete Math okay I don't know where we were going without it I don't know I think we took a side street oh it's asking you about that the classes that you took Oh ask you to expand on the screen oh yeah so it took

[01:13:54] Jacob: Discrete what was what was your out of these definitely stuff if you have more because I think you definitely do but uh if you can remember what was your like funnest or I mean also like funnest professors to you I was like pointing out like the you know not like not to like just make one person famous for make them like but there is something about pointing out someone's like named this person this person was a good professor because this yeah I always loved doing that you know I mean besides the core classes like English and stuff like that like within the actual pour of

[01:14:25] Kelly: The engineering degree I mean I definitely say that Nick yeah he's just he reminds me kind of like a lot about like you he was a very eclectic and his

[01:14:36] Jacob: Choice of like suits that he wore like he almost rivaled like you know the crazy guy with the question mark suits and some yeah dude it was crazy he would wear like those feather earrings that you do that you have excellent yeah I know right you would **** click with this guy so dude yeah awesome you would love them do it what I'd sometimes a daydream like maybe the podcast will open up these cool relationships with these like but you never know you never know but uh ya know very eclectic guy

[01:15:05] Kelly: Had just a beautiful way of explaining things and I wish I could just follow whatever he had to say but right it was really cool because I think he really liked I had to do a special project board about something and how to do with music and I think I wanted to

[01:15:26] Jacob: Build a board that allowed me to connect

[01:15:30] Kelly: To

[01:15:32] Jacob: I think tractor and somehow program tractor to that little breadboard just to do simple stuff not crazy **** just simple like play hip-hip yeah exactly yeah and he was just like oh that's really cool like what like in he of course this guy mile-a-minute right was already like on my **** about like oh you need to do this ten layers deep

[01:15:57] Kelly: Asleep and I'm like dude I'm trying to

[01:16:00] Jacob: Figure this out myself hopefully so it's just that yeah he was probably one of my favorites but yeah I've taken C++ and then from C++ you go to Java which is the different object-oriented programming language and then from Java

[01:16:17] Kelly: You go to you keep you keep programming and see but you go into what's called data structures and you're

[01:16:25] Jacob: Learning how different algorithms will

[01:16:30] Kelly: Affect data differently then you get higher I went into cs2 85 which is then

[01:16:37] Jacob: Going into programming just called C so

[01:16:40] Kelly: Clever play on words so CB c programming language we can't came before c++ so in a in a what's called the for loop you'd use assign an integer and each side a is equal to 0 and if it's less than let's say 9 you open an increase a and then you'll execute some code so let's say inside

[01:17:09] Jacob: That code says your number is right so you go through that code you start with the first one right it's it starts with 0 a equals 0 and then it goes okay I'm done with the loop I'll start back over the loop ago okay now a is 1 and then it goes in through the loop that says okay your number a is now equal to 1 does it again is 2 is 3 a is 4 is 5 a 6 7 8 and then it gets to nine and then it's done with the loop and it goes out so what you do to tell aid to increase is

[01:17:46] Kelly: You go plus on the source code so

[01:17:50] Jacob: The funny bay so the funny programming

[01:17:52] Kelly: Humor is see you came before C++ because

[01:17:56] Jacob: It's the next iteration of C code funny right okay yeah dumb program oh that's a

[01:18:04] Kelly: Force left stupid chili no I mean I

[01:18:09] Jacob: Wasn't laughing at the subject anyways yeah so how did learning see was tough because C is not like C++ where it

[01:18:25] Kelly: Can be object-oriented but it's not it's

[01:18:30] Jacob: Just we use what's called pointers and

[01:18:34] Kelly: These pointers are used to reference

[01:18:37] Jacob: Data inside an address so we can pull manipulate things using these pointers but for some reason they in C they decided that like these pointers mean **** like every different thing ever

[01:18:54] Kelly: And it's just it's built for masochists basically it was just terrible I don't know it was just so **** hard but it's a step that you have to like learn yeah because it's so important because your

[01:19:08] Jacob: MacBook is a linux-based so it runs C

[01:19:12] Kelly: Code a lot of the Linux systems like

[01:19:16] Jacob: Almost like majority of what we use in

[01:19:20] Kelly: This world is Linux based like even that

[01:19:23] Jacob: Supercomputer that summit supercomputer is ran off of Linux you move out that's so weird crazy right so are we good on time we're good on time what's I mean we can give it 15 20 more minutes yeah so

[01:19:39] Kelly: 10 15 or something I think I'm think I'm at the end of kind of what I haven't wanted to talk about like becoming touch it a good basis well it's just like chill on it what did you do what got you into like science math like is there any way oh yeah whether it was childhood or teenagers or anything that like kept you hooked do you remember um I felt like I was always good I always

[01:20:04] Jacob: Felt like I was okay with math like I never like you know of course I wasn't the kid that like I say that I am but I was never the kid that got none first with those multiplication tables nothing like grad school like you would like you would slam just to make people know that you were done first like so lamb that **** you're like I didn't do the last 37 I'm done first **** anyways I

[01:20:29] Kelly: Think well at a very young age I've always liked space I've always wanted to be an astronaut and if you know me I'm very well connected to the spaceman I am the spaceman and I think like when I was in like fourth grade I did the I

[01:20:46] Jacob: Did my science project on the Curie uh yeah the Mars rover yeah so I became a little Elon Musk like follower at that point in time because I'm like you were just investing in PayPal

[01:21:03] Kelly: Exactly mom my mom I need any PayPal wicked smart but uh no I've always I've always I mean I still want to be a **** astronaut man **** but um never lose your dinosaur right like **** bro I mean I don't really know how it's gonna work out but we are doing some interesting stuff with the moon and yes space the space is gonna be a pretty open thing and I think China's going back to the moon you believe that it's 50 years later we're going we're going back there man great opens its rips open this whole new like weird world it's exciting but it's cool that we're going behind yeah I think the next the next thing

[01:21:48] Jacob: That actually got me into computers so

[01:21:51] Kelly: You can actually is you take a milk

[01:21:55] Jacob: Carton yeah you can take a milk carton

[01:21:58] Kelly: And you can be becomes this computer

[01:22:01] Jacob: Where it has like flashcards and you I think what you do is you pick up you pick up the flashcard and it like

[01:22:14] Kelly: Goes into the milk carton and it's it flips the card around it's basically what it does because the answer is on the back so there's you have a have a five by five or yeah the five by three note card with a question in front of it and then you put it in the computer and the computer spits it back to you I think you'd read it to them so yeah so I

[01:22:36] Jacob: Think like just that's exactly where I was like **** I love technology is cool like I want to do this like but as I went along like you know I got through high school and became a very active deca member I think that's the initially where I met you with you in gunner oh hey maybe both trying to recruit you guys into deca

[01:22:59] Kelly: And I'm glad I did and by yes

[01:23:02] Jacob: Yeah is from that opportunity oh great I

[01:23:05] Kelly: Think anybody dude it's like one of the

[01:23:07] Jacob: More important thing I think like anybody if you can get your little sister little brothers listener into deca if they're in high school marketing program it gives you great interview experience a lot of mark mock like interviews and stuff that's a great stuff for dude it's so crazy too because like a Rick Davis shot Rick Davis you're the man he I feel very blessed to have been under his era of deca but I crazy enough like I was I was doing a wedding this summer and I met one of the actual the new instructor for that class like oh I don't know like how it came up or like I don't know if I just asked you do like you know just being nice kills you know yeah hey woody oh I'm the I'm the new marketing director or instructor for Kelso high school mm-hmm no **** you don't say Wow and so

[01:23:59] Kelly: I mean that's some shoes to fill yeah that is something I was like dude you the exact same ones I'd like to get some shoes all right second here in that time think about that like a short joke right

[01:24:10] Jacob: Yeah so yeah I got into I got in the deca and I was thinking how much I'm just gonna be a business guy I'm gonna be a business guy and I can't sell **** I worse I am

[01:24:27] Kelly: The **** worst salesman ever like I

[01:24:30] Jacob: Can't do anything I'm not you know shout out like the Justin lappam's of the world who can just hustle yeah I love I love that guy because you can just hustle I do that's and that is not my forte I like I like pushing numbers and so that I was like oh you know well maybe it got me thinking I was like yo I like I like numbers I've always liked numbers I don't know why like I was really good in math in high school but I've always liked number so you know I still like business and select numbers so I'll getting to

[01:25:02] Kelly: Accounting and then I quickly found out

[01:25:04] Jacob: With accounting that accounting is just the same **** over and over so sorry I don't any my accounting majors yeah I love you guys what you guys do is very important it really is but it's getting a bang the chemistry is not there yeah for kills it's not there hey you tested the waters it wasn't for you I'm um I'm a problem-solver dude that does one of my Forte's is I can look at things and go I need this I need this I need this and we're gonna make this all stitch together and we're gonna come up with the solution and that's what I do best seriously what I do best and Counting

[01:25:45] Kelly: Plugging numbers carry things I mean

[01:25:49] Jacob: Laughs I it there hold it no it's it's not just plugging numbers it's balancing the books it's creating

[01:25:58] Kelly: Ledger's it's all that kind of stuff

[01:26:01] Jacob: Whereas in it hasn't changed the practice of accounting has not changed in the Roman era it has not changed I swear to God so you didn't do you didn't do deca or

[01:26:13] Kelly: You didn't do Salesman yeah I decided that was just like yeah but then okay so

[01:26:19] Jacob: My buddy shout out my buddy Evan

[01:26:23] Kelly: Anderson who I met up in Bellingham he and I work together at Lowe's he was in the lumber area and I was in the

[01:26:34] Jacob: Paint desk and I think we became friends through music obviously like we both really liked heavy-metal lunch and all that stuff and Evan was in the

[01:26:47] Kelly: Computer science program and he was he was a senior year and he was he was on his way out and I think we were just like **** both jumped one night and Evan goes dude why don't you **** do this **** like you seem like you've got like such a knack at it like why don't you do this with me like you say you don't like you're in **** major right now dude **** switch that **** up man

[01:27:11] Jacob: Right he was he was like dude I think you'd be **** great at this you really think yeah and I just go haven't you're just so **** smart ladies like to date doesn't have anything to **** do with that right he's like you're more than **** capable Kelly right and I have to have

[01:27:28] Kelly: To say this with people is whenever I bring up what I'm doing and I had hate when people get discouraged I hate it I hate when people look at math and they just go **** dude yeah it's a million it's a million steps though they don't see that one staircase the one step yeah we just see the million steps they don't want to do it and that's like I've climbed the mountain did I have I'm not

[01:27:53] Jacob: Like there's still some **** that's out there that's just any yeah like I won't I won't probably touch on because I just don't need I do want to get my minor in mathematics and there's like analysis

[01:28:06] Kelly: And stuff like a couple other stuff that I want to I want to take before I'm like I cash out I'm done but for the most

[01:28:14] Jacob: Part I've wanted to mount indeed I've I've done every branch of mathematics possible and it's beautiful at the top it's just you look up you've returned back it's just it's so beautiful how the

[01:28:28] Kelly: World and the universe works and so like

[01:28:32] Jacob: Yeah I looked I think I went to like best or no I went to office max one day and I was like I need a calculator because I think my TA a3 was **** up on me or something and I just needed just a simple calculator here's the weird thing about calculus is that you don't need like some crazy-ass TI a3 all he needs like a little punch number calculator that's it

[01:28:56] Kelly: I think I needed something that could compute like angles of sine so there sine and cosine tangent **** like that I needed to figure out how are the angle of **** I don't know what I was doing at the time but I was like **** dude like do you realize that you can unlock the universe with this little **** thing if you understand those answers fit into

[01:29:19] Jacob: Other places they do it's so crazy that's right but yeah it's the truth it is the **** truth and it's like this little 10 dollar thing if you know how it

[01:29:28] Kelly: Works it unlocks everything yeah

[01:29:31] Jacob: Everything nuts dude fastening dude I always love that I've mentioned that on this podcast before that I think mathematics is exactly that beautiful I think mathematics is beautiful I the cool thing about me is like I mean we've been friends for a long time you know I I don't know a ton about math I it interests me I love it I think it's fascinating I love to learn about it I'm kind of like I love to learn a little bit about everything you know yes but of course but I like it's funny growing up I always have that I'm not good at math

[01:30:02] Kelly: I'm a good I'll write a mean paper I'll read anything you need me to out loud I'm great at all that stuff but when it comes to math and chemistry got thrown into that math thing too because I hit a point in chemistry where I was like I stopped understanding the stage before this fully and now that I've gone to the other Saders I can't understand any of what they're saying and so I was like no that's math too that all sucks but now that I'm older it you know I learned little bits and pieces and like we you know you and I always have good conversations you teach me a ton just by us being our friendship but like it

[01:30:34] Jacob: Excites me to think genuinely like later in my life when I have like let's say some free time like what's a subject I want to dive into you know I've got a lot that I'd like to dive into but I'm literally like later in life I'm definitely gonna spend you know maybe a year to I'm just learning more math I'm so excited about that I think it's such a beautiful wonderful thing I think again that like just you two said it's not daunting it's not you know big picture it's a ton right Bo but the first step it looks like this is interesting science is interesting math is interesting physics interesting like you can you can take a little step and you can flirt with and you can learn a little bit oh yeah and yeah it's becomes like I think I got to a lot of these higher level math classes they have this aha moment where you're like you're fighting with it you're fighting with it you're fighting with it you're like God like this doesn't make sense like and so your brain is a muscle right you have to give it time to button

[01:31:34] Kelly: **** sink in and think about it and sleep on it and then come back to and be like oh and then finally I think it was um differential equations which is

[01:31:49] Jacob: **** god-awful it's just it but it still it was at one point in time I mean

[01:31:58] Kelly: For me obviously for those level of

[01:32:02] Jacob: Classes it's not that I think calc for was a little bit harder for me because it was just coming back to all the things that I've done previously but I'm usually good at something isn't hard for me until like I have to get as I give

[01:32:18] Kelly: Something time and space and to just kind of let that let that kind of sink in and do its thing and work on it I can I can get it right and finally at some point in different that differential Espace everything just started falling in together like all of all these pieces that we were learning about it just all fell in so write

[01:32:43] Jacob: Beautifully together and like I was just like I **** love math I love it like this is why this shit's **** beautiful is cuz **** like that happens right and yeah I agree with you it **** clicks into place and it opens up new doorways that you didn't know existed and so it's just very fulfilling thing like wait this is an answer that works what yeah so look at like this Oilers equation our euler's boilers

[01:33:12] Kelly: Boilers you really don't know this guy describe what it is to somebody who's not saying okay so it is the coefficient e to ^ imaginary I times pi and then it

[01:33:29] Jacob: Continues equation plus 1 equals 0 and

[01:33:33] Kelly: Why you that why this equation is so

[01:33:36] Jacob: **** mind-blowing is that E is an irrational number it's like two point seven on and on and on and on because it when you grew it when you graph e it I

[01:33:50] Kelly: Think it starts at negative one and then it goes up like that and it just goes on and on and on and on up and up but if it looks like it plateaus but it does it okay so you're taking one irrational number you're taking an imaginary number and then you're taking PI which is another irrational number so you're taking you need to tell me that two rational numbers and then you take one to the power of it and then at an

[01:34:19] Jacob: Imaginary one number plus one equals zero yeah and it works itself out or even that or if you take or if you take this a little bit and then minus one to the other side of the equation you tell me that e to the I times pi

[01:34:34] Kelly: Equals negative one that's **** nuts

[01:34:38] Jacob: To back that **** just works well it's so cool because you see it at first and you're like what the **** are you talking about but then like if you just if you just give it time like you said give it time let somebody there explain it to you or a lot of times like yard work I'm a huge fan of yard work I love yard work in a lot of times it's like you can learn something Friday Saturday Sunday cram right you've been cramming you're in I mean I'm down here I'm learning about a lot of **** and then during the week Monday through Friday I've been doing yard work here and there wah but in the back of my mind asked him doing yard work I'm thinking about grass something about emptying my grass bag but in the back of my mind these equations and how I understand these things in mathematics or in the subject are working on it and sometimes you'll have these like aha moments yes like holy **** yeah like you hear like you like the bag gets full

[01:35:29] Kelly: In your lawnmower dies and for some reason that sound sparks you're like oh my god I give the **** equations dude this is perfect this is perfect hit me with it okay so I wasn't I was actually gonna first start with this story but now that we've gotten to it excellent oh yes this is so

[01:35:44] Jacob: Great okay so this dude his name is

[01:35:47] Kelly: Archimedes he's a pull up pull up it wasn't philosopher he was a mathematician kind of guy and he lived

[01:35:56] Jacob: In Syracuse in 250 BCE like 250 before

[01:36:00] Kelly: Christ was born she liked that so way back in the day right way back in the day and he's a smart guy wicked smart

[01:36:09] Jacob: Right um and one day that he lived in Syracuse

[01:36:16] Kelly: Back in Greece and the King apparently

[01:36:21] Jacob: Had given this goldsmith or he was a newly appointed King and he wanted a crown so he said okay I want to I want a lot this much of gold to this gold Smith to make me a crown and the Goldsmith was like all right I'll make you a crown and I'll give it back so the goldsmith went may has a crown gave it back to King and all was well until King started hearing

[01:36:46] Kelly: Some rumors that **** ain't all gold man

[01:36:50] Jacob: Yeah so disrespect yeah I

[01:36:54] Kelly: Know right like so like the gold like

[01:36:57] Jacob: The he was like you know did that goldsmith just like hack off like half this gold and like put a bunch because silver is like also very malleable and like you can actually combine it with coal and becomes kind of goldish in a way I think but uh I don't know I'm not

[01:37:12] Kelly: An alchemist but anyways the King goes Archimedes because Archimedes is kind of like this **** brilliant did it goes he's dude like I heard like this

[01:37:26] Jacob: Goldsmith it like ripped me off like I

[01:37:29] Kelly: Don't know if like he's like took off with his gold and made an extra coin off of it kind of thing like is there any way you can improve like because it looks it looks like a like normal gold crown thing like but how can I look how can I prove that is so Archimedes he's like all right let me think about it right so Archimedes thought about it

[01:37:52] Jacob: And the classic story goes he was in

[01:37:56] Kelly: The bathtub homie was in the bathtub and the coin the term Eureka is from him so apparently this **** dude he figured it out he goes he goes Eureka and the homie like got out of the bathtub and she's like streak down the roads of Syracuse to the King like butt

[01:38:19] Jacob: Ass naked just **** going he's like I got it I got it I got it like I figured it out and it had to do with the bathtub

[01:38:26] Kelly: So the in physics the buoyancy is

[01:38:32] Jacob: The force the buoyant force of an object

[01:38:36] Kelly: Is the same as the weight of the

[01:38:41] Jacob: Water the volume of water I know that's the tricky right okay so I'll say that again so the force the buoyant force is equal to the displacement of the volume of water so the weight of the object on the top of the surface of the water pushes ya so if it yeah so that

[01:39:01] Kelly: That gold will try and be buoyant so what happened so what Archimedes figure this out he goes okay I need exactly as

[01:39:10] Jacob: Much as much gold as you gave him

[01:39:14] Kelly: Because they have like vlogs and **** back mind they like okay King gave him this much gold so what he did Archimedes did he goes he had a scale

[01:39:22] Jacob: Right and then he had like two tubs of water you know so what he did was he put the crown on one scale and then he put the same amount of gold on the other scale and he submerged them so that they floated and so if the if the crown was good all good it would have been equal in the middle but it wasn't it so yeah dude yeah like the so ended up happening was like the obviously the I think the silver was

[01:39:56] Kelly: Lighter than gold and so the scales was was off and so the King was like **** that actually is because he put up he

[01:40:03] Jacob: Goes okay but it's **** yeah her head so what cuz you put you put the two same amounts of gold on each side of the scale and then dip them in the water that they'll be equal right so he was like yo if that if that scales off which it was by a long shot it he was **** he was like there's you mix this with other **** and you **** took the rest of the world and made off with it so **** off of that **** head so hopefully that dude had skipped town he's like before they figure this out no before they measure away to no way yeah so yeah it's that it's that aha moment is that arica so yeah you know I think this is a good way to wrap it up man I think that you know kind of a lot

[01:40:47] Kelly: Would I would I do lessening the input sometimes there's a lot of a lot of a good thing to do like so we're learning all week you're learning a lot of times we're stuffing our brains and blah stuffing and stuff and again sometimes the best ideas come when you're mowing your lawn or you're in the bathtub and these ideas can't come when you're constantly just trying to shove down more ideas right so when you're constantly taking information whether that's could be good information could be like I'm so fascinated by everything that I just want to click on every YouTube video that I see I know that all the time but I do well now being able

[01:41:26] Jacob: To like keep my brain working in the background keep my brain my subconscious mind doing the scientific method for me sort of figuring **** out you know as I'm mowing the lawn as I'm in the bathroom waiting for my Eureka moment so listener take some breaks definitely allow yourself some room for Eureka moments you know what might we might pop up that debug yourself you bug yourself yeah if this the net if

[01:41:52] Kelly: That's not just figure it out Kelly I

[01:41:55] Jacob: Love you bro it's been a pleasure to talk I'm glad that you got to come and talk about yeah you know some things that you know about I feel like I learned a little bit more today than I do I always learned something wanna talk to you I hope you guys aren't lost if anything if you guys like or like well what did kill you mean by that just talk to me oh yeah I'll explain it

[01:42:14] Kelly: So yeah I'm glad I'm grateful for you I hope you have a good rest your day

[01:42:19] Jacob: Listeners and I hope you enjoyed Kelly I'm sure she'll he'll be on in the future we'll talk about some more complex stuff try to simplify it

[01:42:26] Kelly: Cheers have a good rest day