# The Story Of Trey Jones – From Prison Overdose to Witness State - The Junkyard Love Podcast EP. 0119 - Episode: 0119 - Date: 2026-02-14 - Duration: 1:34:36 - Guest: [Trey Jones](/guests/trey-jones/) - YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNr0xYcmoYY - RSS: https://share.transistor.fm/s/e8015cb0 - Spotify (show): https://open.spotify.com/show/45J7CBdM8j29doqyBp2bFs - Apple (show): https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-junkyard-love-podcast/id1489118788 ## About In this conversation, I sit down with Trey Jones. Trey Jones is a former convict who spent 10 years in a Tennessee prison, and while in prison, he had a near-death experience that awakened him to a very new and different perspective. While tattooing, Trey was offered a bump, of which turned out to be fentanyl, that put him out for 18 minutes. After six cans of Narcan and three defibrillator shocks, Trey awakened to a new lens on reality, and as a new version of himself. He joins us to share his current teachings on victim mindset, his insights on what he calls ‘inverted narcissism’, and his wisdom as a coach - Trey moves now as a Personal Authority Coach under the moniker ‘PrisonToPurpose444’ (He’s the founder of ‘From Prison To Purpose’) - He does 1:1 interventions to dismantle victim identity and rebuild authority. He lives a more grounded life these days, as a proud father with his partner and son in the Great Northwest. I actually met him at the edge of a forest - where a gathering of dancing energy healers, eccentric thinkers, connecting artists, and modern shamans met to evolve together, transmute, and dance through their dharma as one. He was amongst the many with God in their eyes. Please welcome to the podcast: Trey Jones. Follow him here Insta - @prisontopurpose444 ## Chapters - [00:00:00](/episodes/0119-trey-jones-prison-overdose-witness-state/#t-00-00-00) Morning rising ritual, meditation, and gratitude practice - [00:04:00](/episodes/0119-trey-jones-prison-overdose-witness-state/#t-00-04-00) Mobility work, cold showers, and light breakfast for energy - [00:07:00](/episodes/0119-trey-jones-prison-overdose-witness-state/#t-00-07-00) Why victim mentality is inverted narcissism and manipulation - [00:12:00](/episodes/0119-trey-jones-prison-overdose-witness-state/#t-00-12-00) Fasting as a mental game and building willpower like a muscle - [00:18:00](/episodes/0119-trey-jones-prison-overdose-witness-state/#t-00-18-00) The witness state in meditation and observing your thoughts - [00:23:00](/episodes/0119-trey-jones-prison-overdose-witness-state/#t-00-23-00) Prison life, the fentanyl overdose, and the near-death turning point - [00:28:00](/episodes/0119-trey-jones-prison-overdose-witness-state/#t-00-28-00) Instant perspective after dying and working through deep regret - [00:33:00](/episodes/0119-trey-jones-prison-overdose-witness-state/#t-00-33-00) Cutting ties with old energies while allowing redemption - [00:38:00](/episodes/0119-trey-jones-prison-overdose-witness-state/#t-00-38-00) God as energy, frequency, and universal consciousness - [00:43:00](/episodes/0119-trey-jones-prison-overdose-witness-state/#t-00-43-00) The double slit experiment and how belief creates reality - [00:48:00](/episodes/0119-trey-jones-prison-overdose-witness-state/#t-00-48-00) Identity shifts from manual labor to purposeful social media work - [00:55:00](/episodes/0119-trey-jones-prison-overdose-witness-state/#t-00-55-00) Christ consciousness and the current global awakening - [01:02:00](/episodes/0119-trey-jones-prison-overdose-witness-state/#t-01-02-00) Energetic healing, breathwork, and the power of mindset - [01:08:00](/episodes/0119-trey-jones-prison-overdose-witness-state/#t-01-08-00) Levels of consciousness, empathy, and reading people - [01:14:00](/episodes/0119-trey-jones-prison-overdose-witness-state/#t-01-14-00) Prison lessons on self-care first and real empathy with standards - [01:22:00](/episodes/0119-trey-jones-prison-overdose-witness-state/#t-01-22-00) Synchronicities, interconnections, and past-life loops - [01:30:00](/episodes/0119-trey-jones-prison-overdose-witness-state/#t-01-30-00) Pre-planned journeys, amnesia, and chasing your higher calling - [01:36:00](/episodes/0119-trey-jones-prison-overdose-witness-state/#t-01-36-00) Final reflections and message to listeners ## Quotes - “Victim mentality is just inverted narcissism.” - “Healing isn’t being understood. Healing is becoming someone that your past can no longer control.” - “Your willpower is a muscle. The more you exercise it, the stronger it is.” - “I don’t believe everyone has to die to find their true self.” - “Empathy without standards creates weak adults.” - “Staying hard is the quickest way to never change.” - “The true you is the witness behind it all.” - “We’re all just trying to pick different versions of ourselves up because we’re all a little piece of the puzzle.” - “If you have a dream or a higher calling, just fucking chase it. Nobody’s going to pursue your passions like you are.” - “Everything in my life needs to change, because everything in my life up to this point led me to this moment.” - “My purpose now is to offer the same perspectives I went through so people don’t have to reach the same levels of rock bottom.” - “Identity is your subconscious beliefs on who you are. You have to surround yourself with people who believe in the identity you believe in.” - “We come down here and everyone gets amnesia. The beauty of life is discovering life itself.” ## Guest links (from published notes) - Insta - @prisontopurpose444 ## Tags / keywords trey jones prison to purpose, fentanyl overdose near death experience, victim mentality inverted narcissism, witness state meditation, personal authority coach, from prison to purpose 444, christ consciousness awakening, junkyard love podcast episode 0119, prison overdose witness state, willpower as a muscle, healing becoming someone past cannot control ## Transcript [00:00:21] Jacob: Hello and welcome to the Junkyard Love. Hey, everything's going to be all right. It's all good. It's all good. The Junkyard Love podcast. the junkyard. Okay, one. Dude, let's start right here. Um, good morning, man. Trey, thank you again. Welcome to the podcast. Uh, let's have some fun, man. I want to start with right there. You just told me you're drinking some bone broth that you made at home. You were texting me and you told me that you had like a morning routine, basically. Do you want to start with your morning routine? Like I think anybody listening would probably benefit from hearing kind of how you live your life in the mornings ideally. [00:01:05] Trey: Yeah, most definitely. And uh thank you again for bringing me on here. You know, this is a huge opportunity for me. I've been praying and asking for God for a platform, you know, since two months ago, and here it is. So, but yeah, let's delve into it. My uh my rising ritual is what I call it. uh consists of waking up around 5 6 a.m. It's kind of loose. It's not like I don't wake up with an alarm. It's just whenever I rise and I jump immediately into meditation. And during my meditation, I kind of picture who I envision myself to be. And then I work through it, you know, like what it feels like, what it what it's going to consist of full spectrum. And then I let go and that's when I go into like more of a transcendental type meditation. And I just kind of float just float through it. And I always finish in gratitude, but I always do my gratitude a little different. I instead of saying like in my head like I'm grateful for this or I'm grateful for that, I just picture all the good things that I have going on in my life and I hold the energy of gratitude. So it's more of like a like a fast-paced slideshow more than, you know, me just listing things that I'm grateful for. And then after my gratitude and meditation and everything, I jump straight into some sort of movement. I call it my mobility exercises and I take every single one of my joints, muscles, and ligaments through its full range of motion multiple times. And kind of just wakes the body up. And then I go into if I don't work out, I'll just jump straight into a shower and finish cold. Always cold finish, you know, because I don't have a cold plunge yet. Soon as I get a cold plunge, it's game on, you know. I'm going to live in that thing. But uh I need one too, dude. I need one, too. [00:02:52] Jacob: Oh, I know. But as soon as I tried it, I was like, I need one of these, you know? Yeah. I'll do the bathtub once in a while, but it just doesn't hit the same. No, you got to embrace the suck. And it doesn't suck quite as much in the shower, you know? Mhm. But then after I finish the meditation, I get right into it and I'm normally up um with something healthy for breakfast. I'll jump with like two eggs, you know, two eggs and a piece of toast or bone broth. And like today I had the bone broth and we get our bones straight from the butcher. So, well, not even a butcher, it's just a farmer that butchers and we just boil them overnight, you know. So, we have it the bones get like jelly, you know, by the time that they're done boiling, you know, right? And I just add like some super mineralized salt to it and that's breakfast. Hell yeah. Yeah. And then you're ready to rock and roll. That's like an ideal morning for you right there. Yeah. I found that the more that I eat for breakfast, the lazier I am, you know. [00:03:48] Trey: Word. Yeah. Yeah. So, I try to stay full, stay hungry, stay motivated, and stay energetic, you know. [00:03:54] Jacob: Yeah. Do you find benefit from kind of waking up and not immediately eating breakfast? Because that's how I am. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. If I wake up and I immediately eat, then I find myself scrolling instead of like posting or creating content or, you know, replying to people with something meaningful as opposed to just getting on Instagram and scrolling and wasting time. Yeah. Yeah. I think there's something good to be said about the where you allow your levels of consumption to roam like first thing in the morning. You know, we all know the feeling of we do, you know, lean over and scroll or something and then we just go, I wish I didn't do that. you know, uh, and then on the offside. Yeah, it's like we just have to repeat the same lesson for some reason. But, um, yeah, it's good to have that mental diet in the morning as well as that as that physical diet. Um, and then also not eating, you know, complete garbage is as best you can. You know, it's like you live your life once in a while, but try not to eat total garbage first thing in the morning. It's just harder to have a, you know, a soft mental day throughout the rest of the day. [00:04:56] Trey: Yeah. I was actually talking to somebody about that just last night. um he was going through this depression phase, you know, he's like, "Oh, I like woe is me." You know, the victim mentality, you know, what I preach about on my Insta. He um he's just talking about everything negative, you know. And I'm telling him like this is confirmation bias. The like what you see, what you focus on is what you're going to see and what grows essentially, you know. And it starts with what you put into your engine. You know, if your body is an engine, what kind of fuel are you giving it? And he's telling me he goes to like Burger King every day after work and, you know, eats McDonald's and Happy Meals or whatever it is, you know. And I'm like, think about that, bro. Like, you are literally putting garbage into your body and you're expecting a high output human being to be the product of that. [00:05:46] Jacob: Mhm. [00:05:48] Trey: Not likely. [00:05:49] Jacob: Yeah. It's like um Yeah. like we like it's our fuel resource, you know, like if you put old crappy oil in your car, it's not going to run as good as like some healthy good oil, you know what I mean? Um, and it's also I think there's something to be said about like the obviously all the preservatives and all of those things, but kind of just like the energetics of too much fast food. Um, I think there's something to be said about like someone who's isn't incredibly happy with what's going on in their life. Um, like what they might put into your food. Not that everybody who works at fast food is, you know, unhappy. That's not what I'm like entirely insinuating. But um sometimes I feel that food is this sacred thing. Like we have been um Ramina Maharshi who is Ramdas's guru uh like two of the huge things that he would always say to Ramdas is Ramdas um feed people and love everyone. And like that was always Ramas would always just go through like how he would how would he do those things and like he also feed people and there was all these mystical stories about these gurus who would like find ways through their spiritual way of like there's only a tiny amount of soup in this bowl but we have to serve 50 people but somehow if you just believe in this guru and you just keep serving people you will just don't look at the ladle soup will still come and you'll feed all these people and that'll be a bottomless thing of soup. So, I don't know. I just feel like there is a connection to us through the years and years of communities and um just being humans. Uh when it comes to serving food, when it comes to like you're giving someone nutrients in life, how many days can we really go without, you know, without nutrients, without food? It's like who we are. And so, [00:07:33] Trey: That's interesting, too. [00:07:35] Jacob: Yeah. Yeah. Isn't it? I just think like there might be some subperceptual effect in some way on someone dissatisfyingly serving you what we call food and it's really like preservatives and garbage and stuff that doesn't make you feel good. It's mouthpleasure for the sake of like non-nutrients long term. So I don't know. Yeah, I just seen something about Oreos that obviously Oreos are garbage, but it's apparently they're 85% preservatives. 85% like what is the other 15% though you know? Yeah. And uh another thing on food, I seen this guy who um the longest recorded fast in history, he went 385 days without food, dude. 300. And he cured every disease that he had in his body, you know, like I've fasted, don't get me wrong. I've gone the longest I've gone was uh like 40 days without food. And [00:08:32] Trey: Dude, dick. And that was a struggle. And there was like it wasn't I was having liquid. So, I mean, I was having like water and stuff, but um in between that I was going days where I was just dry fasting as well. And the dry fasting is that's a mental game, you know, cuz if you have water, you're like, "Oh, at least I have this to rely on. I could just drink a bunch of water. I feel full, you know, but then when you have those dry fasting days, it really gets mental, you know, and it [00:09:01] Jacob: It really breaks you down, you know." Yeah. Yeah. Is it do you ever get I think the thing with me when I try to do a long fast is I get to this weird point where fear kind of wins and I go I think maybe this is a bad feeling. I basically because you're analyzing how you feel and you're like is does is my stomach acting weird and my skin is being this and what you know there's a lot of changes going on and so I think when I throw in the towel earlier than I had originally wanted to it's usually because my body is saying like there's something wrong or like this headache is a really bad headache and you should really eat and then and then I gave it. Do you experience anything like that? Is that part of your mental game? Like you got to just not listen to those voices? Yeah, 100%. That's psychossematic self-destruction is what it is, you know, and you're going to be your, you know, your best friend or your worst enemy when it comes to a fast because you can psych yourself in or out of any situation. Think about anything you do in life. Like when it comes to even a podcast, your first one, your nerves probably got you. Your nerves were like, "Oh man, I'm going to misspeak or I'm going to do this on camera and you know, people aren't going to like my podcast or people aren't going to like me." But then on the flip side of that, if you're like, "Oh, I'm the [ __ ] Like, I don't give a [ __ ] what anybody thinks that. Like, everyone's going to love me because I love me. I'm awesome." You know? And the same thing goes with your food and your fasting. If you believe that you can do 40 days, then you're going to do 40 days. The only reason that you wouldn't be able to do those 40 days is because of self-doubt. Okay? So, so say someone is on that, they're about to go on 40 days or whatever their version of 40 days is. Maybe it's two days, whatever. And they have this initial start point. They're like, "I believe." And it's true. And they believe it. And they're like, "Dude, I'm in. Like, seriously, I'm doing this. There's no way I'm not." And then they get to hour 36. They're going to go 48. And then they get that voice. Like, what how do you how do you bridge the gap between who chose to set out on that journey and who you are like right now, 36 hours in, who's just feeling like they're getting their ass kicked? What do you have to say [00:11:04] Trey: That? It comes down to willpower. You know, you got to have the willpower, your willpower is a muscle essentially. And the more that you exercise it, the stronger it is. So, if you go if you refrain from eating fast food for a week, the next week is going to be a little bit easier and so on and so forth. So, if 48 hours is too hard for you for a fast, start with 72 and or start with, you know, 24 hours, then work your way to 48, then go to 72. You know, you just got to strengthen that willpower and then eventually your mind is going to be your biggest advocate. [00:11:39] Jacob: Yeah. Yeah, dude. I mean, I that's so perfect because when it comes to meditation, that's the that's the thing that I'm always saying as well is Yeah. Maybe when you sit down, you're going to go, "Dude, my mind is chaos and I'm just too ADHD and I can't personally meditate and my brain specifically out of all the other 8 billion people on the planet is like can't it can't meditate and just all the things, you know." Um, but comparing it to going to the gym and like, bro, you don't walk into the gym and just lift up a 50 pounder and start curling it, you know? You got to go every day and you start with the fives and then you go to the tens and the 15s and then 12.5s if you if the 15s feel too heavy, you know, and every day you're building that. It's like we it's interesting because so we have the brain, we have all of our organs, you know, your heart's a muscle, all of our physical things here, and then we have the subtle the subtle body, the mind. Like where is the mind, you know, like where you know what I mean? Like there's the brain like is your mind just in your brain? Well, no. It's like it's the whole experience of your body. And so if we think of part of the human experience being, you know, that the physical body, you can go to the gym and prove all that to yourself in real time. Like go to the gym, workout for 3 weeks, and you literally are like, I'm taller and I stand up straighter and yes, my shirt is a little bit tighter. It's proving myself in real time. And the subtle body, the mental version of our body, of who we are, is also in need of that uh maturation through daily work through the 5 lb curls like you like you said, you know, uh showing up and earning it, like proving to yourself, all right, dude, I normally eat every 3 hours, but I'm going to start just I'm going to eat for four hours or not eat for four hours. Okay, I did that. You know, I'm going to wait 16 hours until I eat next. I've never done that my whole life. And then you prove to yourself that you can do it. And then suddenly you're that new person. You're standing as the person who has now fasted more than 16 hours, more than 15 hours. And so you can then act from there. So yeah, man, it's that uh that subtle body muscle building, right? You got to be a subtle body muscle builder. [00:13:42] Trey: Yeah, it kind of ties into that expression, fake it until you make it. You know, you got to your belief creates your reality 100%. And I believe that wholeheartedly and I'm kind of tie into that, you know, with this subtle body um perception that you have um and meditation. So when you meditate, obviously you have this like plethora of ideas, thoughts, feelings, emotions just flowing into your head simultaneously. And in order to disassociate, um I actually got this from an author. His name is Ken Wilbur. And he calls it the witness state. And the witness state is essentially stepping back from everything physical, emotional, and spiritual and realizing that you are all of the above, right? And you're just observing it. So you're observing all these thoughts, feelings, and emotions that flow through your awareness. And when you're when you have that, when you step back into this witness state, all of a sudden, the things that affected you no longer have precedence or hold on your life because they're not you. The true you is the witness behind it all. Yeah. You are the one that observes. [00:14:53] Jacob: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, well, so how is that? I feel like trying to put myself in the shoes of someone who's listening who's like never really like dove that deep on meditation or any of those like getting meta on your own thoughts, you know? I think, you know, when I was in probably my worst version of like my victim mindset when I was depressed and all these sorts of things at my worst, I think that I thought I was my thoughts. You know what I mean? So, can we talk a little bit more about maybe we could start with like how it first maybe started for you, bro? like how you first kind of started going, you know what? Like, oh, I can like observe my thoughts rather than just get caught up in them, you know? I mean, it's such a huge opening when it comes to the awakening path, when it comes to like taking control of your life. So, man, I'd love to know how that was for you. [00:14:54] Trey: Yeah, definitely. So, for me, it started with the awareness of like you I was using victim mentality as a crutch. I was using it as leverage to get what I wanted. I was using it to like cuz I was in prison. I spent a decade in prison. And what little outside interaction I did have, I manipulated through victim mindset, right? Victim mentality because victim mentality is just inverted narcissism instead of you saying like, "Oh, wo is me." Or so like instead of like um narcissism where you're like, "Oh, I'm so great. You know, look at me. Look at me." Uh victim mentality. It's like, "Oh, look how horrible my life is. I need you to take sympathy on me." And then you leverage that for manipulation, you know, like, "Oh, I need $20, you know, so put 20 bucks on my books so that I can get some food or, you know, whatever the situation may be." But instead of demanding admiration, you demand sympathy, you know. So, I mean, they kind of play into each other. But for me personally, I had to recognize that I was using victim mentality as a crutch in the first place and realize that I was, you know, narcissistic, you know, like that at its root. That's just narcissism with a different a different hat. And once I realized that I was narcissistic and this was due to, you know, information reading, I read a book called uh dark psychology. And dark psychology doesn't mean like intrinsically evil. It can be used for that. But it was more like neural linguistic programming and uh recognizing your own triggers, your own fallacies in life. Recognizing how you use, you know, manipulation or narcissism to get the things in life that you want. And because of this, I realized like I'm messed up. Like I am I'm a messed up individual. And because of that, look where I am. I'm serving a 15-year sentence in a Tennessee prison, 1500 miles away from anyone I even know or love, and I don't get a single letter or phone call. Like, I am a product of my mindset at this point. And once I realized that, I started changing my mindset one day at a time. Every time something came into my awareness, I was like, is this me speaking or is this the victim version of me speaking? And it wasn't until I had my lowest point, like I literally hit rock bottom. And my rock bottom was I overdosed in a Tennessee prison. I was doing tattoos, you know, one day and I'm a tattoo artist. So I'm setting up for a tattoo. Somebody comes in and they're like, "Hey, do you want a little bump?" That little bump was that was my turning point because it was fentanyl. That fentanyl put me out. I woke up 18 minutes later, six cans in our can and about three shocks with the paddles. And I came too and the first thing I thought was like everything in my life needs to change because everything in my life up to this point led me to this moment. [00:18:49] Jacob: Wow. [00:18:49] Trey: You know, so it just starts with recognition. [00:18:52] Jacob: So, do you consider yourself do you I mean, I'm sure you've done some research and come across this. Do you think you had a near-death experience like that like is really kind of a turning point and that like kind of popped you out into this new like purpose driven? [00:19:05] Trey: Yeah, 100%. The first and first and foremost at the time I had a son and uh my partner um Chelsea who you met, we were separated so he they weren't in my life at all. The first thing I seen like while I was gone, you know, I seen this I seen my son and uh all I held was regret like this is like I'm going to die in a Tennessee prison and my son's not going to know who I am, you know? So I just I had this like overwhelming sense of regret for the way that I led my life, you know. And as soon as the regret faded, something else took over. And it was perspective. And I all of a sudden instantaneously, like it was literally instantaneously, I had like an overwhelming sense of perspective on life. Like everything that came into my awareness from that point on, I knew whether or not it was going to serve the version of myself that was going to move and propel me forward in life or it was going to keep me in stagnation. [00:19:05] Jacob: Why do you think why do you think you were ripe in that moment? I know that's a weird word to use. Um, but like what like do you think it was, you know, I mean, I guess I'm exploring what a rock bottom is in some ways, but like what is it that finally breaks the dam and gives us that perspective? I mean, I had a similar experience myself. What do you think that you know not only brings us to be right but makes us right for you know that time that thing that environment? [00:19:05] Trey: I think it is a case by case basis you know cuz each person is different. Everybody's rock bottom is going to be different. For me personally it took loing my life you know because I've been I've been through some stuff man. I've lived a crazy life. I was a uh street pharmacist to put it as small as possible. [00:21:04] Jacob: I hear you. [00:21:04] Trey: Um yeah, so I was a street pharmacist for years and I hung out with gangs. I hung out with other street pharmacists. I hung out with low lives, uh strippers, I hung out with the dredges of society. And because of that, my mindset, it mirrored that. [00:21:04] Jacob: Yeah. Yeah. You got to be what's it? You know, there's that typical saying of you're the product of the five closest people to you or whatever. And there's some truth in that, not all truth in that. There's it is interesting like when you have these sort of experiences when you have these sort of awakenings or like near-death experience or you have some sort of kind of like snapping out of your patterns your typical way of living it does give you kind of this oh I'm in order to even connect with these people like yeah I love them and I appreciate them and I've been through a lot with them in these like this complicated way but in order to like go where I know damn well I need to be going cuz my brain has been telling it to me in the background like every day all day. If I really listen to that voice, I don't know if they could come with me. I don't know if I could keep hanging out with them every day. I don't know that I get to have the same relationship with them in order to be who I know I need to be now. And that is, you know, that's a that's a very alienating, lonely place to take a take a step on. You know what I mean? [00:22:24] Trey: I mean, it can be. It can be, but it depends on your perspective. For me personally, my perspective on that situation was if we are all God, right? Like you're God, I'm God, this microphone I'm talking into is a piece of God, then that means that everything that comes into your awareness is just a perspective that God has gifted you. So if you are alienating someone who is a negative asset in your life, that's just a piece of God that he gave you for that perspective, like for a lesson. So you're not alienating any one person. You're just alienating an energetic frequency that God gave you for perspective. [00:22:24] Jacob: Okay. Well, what's the step after that when we notice that it's time to move away from these different crowds, these different times? I mean, you could share what happened with you, but um I'm always I'm always asking like the person who's listening right now, I'm always thinking about them if they're like, "Yo, damn, dude. I kind of I think maybe it is time to like change. I think it is time to like I have been a victim in some way or I have you know etc. I got to move on. What do you think? [00:22:24] Trey: Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. I mean if you are currently going through that transformation phase where you're on the precipice of you know exiling the old you to bring in the new you. There's going to be a lot of changes that are happening when it comes to your energies, your emotions, and especially the crowd that you surround yourself with. And for me, I had to I had to just cut ties. It wasn't like a text message where I was like, "Hey, bro, like I love you, but it's no more like we can't hang out." It was just that's it. No longer texted, no longer called, no longer like I spent I spent a decade locked up. So, it was a lot easier for me to ostracize the people that were no longer serving the highest version that I saw myself being. It was a lot simpler because when I got out of prison, those people that weren't around, they stayed gone. And if they tried to hit me up, like, where were you then? You know, where were you when I needed you the most? you know, so I'm not I'm not going to slip backwards into these old energies, old frequencies or old patterns just because someone says, "What's up, bro?" You know? [00:24:34] Jacob: Right. Right. Yeah. You don't need to keep that um connection constantly open if it's just no longer serving you. And you know, it doesn't even doesn't even have to be like, "Fuck you, bro." It's just like, "Hey, man. I'm just I'm just moving in a different place, you know? I hope you I hope you move to your to your best place, you know?" [00:25:04] Trey: Yeah. And since then, I've actually had um and it's crazy how this works. Um I've had two or three friends who I was really close with, you know, back in the day. And we've like shed blood together, shed tears together, we've made money together, and we've gotten locked up together, you know, and when I got out, I cut ties. But here recently, I've had a couple of them that have hit me up and they're like, "Hey, I'm doing really good. you know, I got this going on in my life and blas and you know what, like I'd love to reconnect with you. I would love to see your story, hear your transition, you know, because to completely discredit someone just because of their past would be discrediting myself, you know. So, you got to give someone the opportunity to redeem themselves if they are truly trying to do better and be better and succumb to the desires that propel them in the right direction. You can't give up on those people because then they're going to think subconsciously like maybe I'm not worthy. You know, cuz think about like when you were going through your transformation phases or, you know, quitting drinking or stop eating fast food. If you would have had somebody come into your awareness and they're just like, "Oh yeah, [ __ ] that." Like, "I don't believe in your journey." It would have made you feel a certain type of way. [00:26:34] Jacob: Mhm. Oh, hold on. I think my camera just turned off. Yeah, I was wondering as soon as it did that, I thought that it might I think I can still hear you, though. I'm not sure what we were talking about, but uh Hey, how about this? Let's pick up where. Um, all right, Trey. So, your Instagram handle is from prison to purpose. What is your purpose? [00:27:02] Trey: My purpose now in life is to offer the same perspectives that I went through so that people don't have to go through the same struggles that I did because I don't want people to have to reach the same levels of rock bottom to have the perspective that I achieved. You know, I don't believe that everyone has to die to find their true self. What is it in you that and I asked this as, you know, knowing that there's something within me that does the same thing. What is it that's within us, I guess, that can't help like we can't help us share and want to help people, you know, like it's not just I don't want to heal and just selfishly keep it to myself and just be on an island. like I have this hunger for giving what I've learned and in that same boat, you know, not wanting to see other people fail where I failed and like hopefully, you know, share my perspective, that sort of thing. What is that within you, you know? Um, to put it simply, it's God, man. It's God. Like if we are all God, we're all just trying to pick different versions of ourselves up because we're all a little piece of the puzzle, you know, and without each piece being brought up together, you know, we all fall. [00:28:22] Jacob: Okay. How long have you had a perspective on God? Has this been a lifetime or is this like did this happen after kind of your overdose experience? [00:28:30] Trey: Um, I mean, a little bit of both. I don't see God like a Christian God. It's not like the Bible God, you know? I see God as like an energy, a frequency, an awareness, a consciousness. Like God is everything and all that is and all that ever was, you know, time and memorial and so on and so forth. And that perspective kind of came through just years and years of meditation and introspection and realizing that like it's all connected like everything like the energy that flows through me flows through you that flows through you know each blade of grass you know and not only that but like our awareness and our consciousness has a direct effect on every single thing within our awareness you know. Have you seen the Here's a little caveat. So, have you heard of the double slit experiment? I mean, explain it for explain it for those who haven't heard. Yeah. So, the double slit experiment is simply put, you have a particle, right? You have a what was it? Electron an electron particle being shot through uh two slits on and my camera's off again. Is it electro? Bro, blow. Bro, you observed the particle. [00:29:51] Jacob: I know, right? Okay, brother. So, we were talking about um we're talking about your purpose just a second ago. So, how has you know trying to live through your purpose or you know, maybe not even trying but actively living through your purpose as just kind of who you are. you know, it's like seems like your identity comes from that rather than you trying to like have this identity. How has that changed your life? How's that shaped kind of your dayto-day the way you were versus the way you are now? Well, I'm going to answer that with a story. [00:30:26] Trey: So, uh about two years ago, I was I was roofing, right? And I didn't like it obviously. It just it felt like it was at a stark contrast for who I felt like I should be. But it was an income, you know, I wasn't relying on anything other than my manual labor to bring in an income in for my family to, you know, provide for my family. And one day I cut my thumb and it was pretty bad. It wasn't like life-threatening or anything like that, but it was bad enough to the point where I had to take time off work, you know, I wasn't going to be able to work from it. I cut it to the bone, you know, and it like literally instantaneously as soon as it happened though, it was like I'm done. Like that not just with roofing but with manual labor altogether. Like this does not serve my soul, you know? And it was from that moment on that I pursued uh social media. Like if it wasn't for me hurting my thumb and then subsequently uh I tore a bunch of ligaments in my shoulder because I was riding a onehe. And those two things together made me realize that like my body is temporary, but my mind can last a lifetime if I put it out there. And so I started I started putting myself out there through social media and I started just kind of being myself, you know, you know, kind of goofy and zany. And I didn't really have a direction or a purpose or anything like that. I was just, you know, getting online and posting. And it wasn't until recently that I realized that like I needed direction. Like I needed I needed like real purpose. And because of that, I found I found victim mentality and well, it found me, you know, and I took my own story, my own healing, my own traumas that I went through and I turned them into I turned them into purpose, you know, like my name implies, you know, prison to purpose. And prison isn't just like a physical place. It's a mindset. And if you have if you have a mindset of a prisoner, you're gonna always be a prisoner, whether it be in a physical prison or you inside your own home. and overcoming that has been has been a journey, you know, and I'm grateful to be on it and I'm every day I wake up just blessed that I have an opportunity to speak and I have so many people that reach out to me and that are thankful for offering, you know, these perspectives and I just hope and pray that, you know, I can help people before they have to reach the level of rock bottom that I did. Yeah. Yeah. I love that you listened to that intuitive voice that was like, yo, I can work with my hands. I can do this, but I actually have this thing that's burning brighter within me and I need to use my words. I need to use my intellect. I need to I need to do something different because I have something worth giving that other people are needing to receive. So, uh, hell yeah for following that voice, man. And I'm glad you did. So, I want to talk more about victim mentality. I don't want to get totally caught up in just talking about men masculine victim mentality, but I do want to zoom in on just that for a second. Can you give me like because I'm always, you know, like I said, I'm always thinking about the listener. Uh, you know, they're on right on the edge. Maybe they're kind of discovering through this conversation that they've been a little bit more on the victim side of or totally on the victim side or uh you know maybe they're a young man who realizes that the way that they learned how to perceive themselves and like interact with the world maybe from their parents or their environment whatever is kind of the victim stuff and they now need to start learning about it. They need to move forward. Um so thinking about men specifically I guess where would we start? Well, it definitely starts in the mind. You got to realize that you have victim mentality in the first place because if you don't even know that you will have victim mentality, you're never going to be able to heal from it. You know, your pain explains behavior, but it does not excuse it. Healing isn't being like understood. Healing is becoming someone that your past can no longer control. So I guess in short it just it starts with it starts with realizing that you have fallacies. You have room to grow. You know nobody's perfect and in fact nobody's perfect you know like emphasis on nobody. We all have room to grow. We all have learned um we all have room to learn and things that we can pick up from others you know and that's exactly why we're here. kind of like a segue into our past conversation like we reach down and pull people up because we're all a piece of God, you know? [00:35:39] Jacob: Yeah. We're all just I say this like every podcast episode because I'm corny, but uh Ram Das says we're all just walking each other home, you know? Yeah. Yeah. And like you said, Ramdas says uh feed everyone. And you know, like who says he's even talking about food? Exactly. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. Like if you have something that is nutrientdense for a for another human being then like I'm thinking of Terence McKenna has that thing nature loves courage. It's like even when it comes to feeding one another, even when it comes to serving one another or whatever that version of it is for you, it's like nature like you're not doing it for the reward. Of course not. But it does it's juicy and it's ripe. You know, nature almost rewards you because it gives you perspective and it and it makes you go like, man, I'm glad that I was, you know, in that position to give that person that bit of knowledge. I'm glad that like I was able to genuinely help them when they needed some help. like that's, you know, no, I'm not doing this for me, but hey, that does feel pretty good, you know, that's a good thing. It actually makes me want to do it again. It makes me want to serve more people, in fact, you know. Mhm. And I mean, to get to get into that, to add to that, it is actually a little bit selfish, you know, because you get a little bit of a dopamine boost when you reach down and you help somebody. It makes you feel good. So when you continuously do that and you're continuously reaching down to help people and pick people up like it is a little bit selfish because you get just as much from it as they do. So do you think that's a so do you think that's a bad thing? Do you think that it is? I mean, so Ramdas also talks about how he would turn himself he would always be wary of not turning himself into the helper. Like if I'm the helper, you have I have to turn you into the person who needs help and then I'm kind of looking down on you as the person who has the answers you need, you know? Yeah, it can be. It definitely can be. If you if you identify as a person who is always helping people and it's a self-s serve, like your purpose is self- serving. you're helping people so that you can feel good, then all of a sudden that help is demonized. Yeah. Yeah. It's like it um I don't know. It's like um it's kind of like coming across needy almost like I need you to reaffirm who I am, you know? It's like, man, that's you know, you get that experience sometimes just naturally, but you don't you don't you aren't owed the reaffirmation of who you think you are with every interaction. I'm like, come on, dude. Yeah. Yeah, 100%. Um, I have this little quote here. Um, I don't know who wrote this, but it's uh healing culture taught people how to feel. It forgot to teach them how to become. Okay. What does that mean to you? What's what's the difference between healing and becoming? [00:38:34] Trey: So, healing culture taught people how to feel. So essentially it taught people how to feel better, right? But it didn't teach them how to be better. So being better is a mindset, but feeling better is just that. It's just a feeling, you know? So healing culture is just temporary. Like when you watch motivational videos, you get all motivated and you get pumped up and you get like energetic maybe for a workout or something like that, but it's not your baseline. It's not your default. It's not making you become motivated. That comes from consistent action that comes from an identity. So in order to heal like victim mentality or to heal like whatever you've gone through, you need to change the identity that is your baseline. [00:39:26] Jacob: Okay, let's dig deeper into identity because I agree. I think that's one of the most important things. Uh what can you tell me what can you tell me that you discovered about identity through your through your process here? I would say that identity is it's your subconscious beliefs on who you are, right? So, if you are consistently hanging around people that affirm an old identity of you, like say you hang around a bunch of people back in your party days and they're like, "Oh, bro, you're such a party animal, man. You can drink so much and you can do this and this and that." Like, they're affirming an identity that maybe you don't hold true to yourself anymore, you know? So, you got to surround yourself with people that believe in the identity that you believe in, you know? Yeah, dude. I think I it's fresh in my mind because like I just visited my hometown and that's always a um I mean I hate talking about like my hometown like it's like I'm think I'm better than it or something but there is just a lot of those conversations that happen or like bro oh you remember when you they like have an inside joke from you know 16 years ago which is beautiful in a lot of aspects but when it's some sort of like oh dude you were keg standing on the party in the you know like just some crazy story that you had. It's like, man, I don't even I don't remember that. Like, it doesn't really feel like me. Like, if you bring that up and you think that correlates to who I am now, it kind of makes me feel like you don't really see who I am now, which makes me feel a little small, you know? And so, it's uh it's it is kind of a journey of interacting with uh people who you want to love and interact with, but they're only holding on to older versions of you, right, [00:41:13] Trey: Bro? Yes. Yes. 100%. I vibe with everything you just said right there. I went and seen like my family and I do not see my family very often like for that reason specifically because they are consistently trying to affirm an old identity that no longer serves me. You know, especially my dad. My dad is so just stubborn. Like it's like talking to a brick wall, you know? Every time I'm telling him like, "Oh, like this is what I have going on in my life." He's like, "Yeah, but is it [ __ ] paying the bills? Is it doing this or that? Like it's my passion, you know, that doesn't mean anything to him. [00:41:54] Jacob: Yeah. You know, so it's hard to explain an identity to a rock. Yeah. Uh, I mean, it's I think it's like a lot of it is it must be as a parent, it must be like weird if you feel a type of way and you're not super aware of like what it feels like when you know, your son is maybe doing something that you wish you did or maybe like you know, you probably heard of like um when you know a kid starts making more money at a certain point in their life than their parents ever did. you know, there's of course gonna be a lot of like natural pride, but then there's also this kind of strange like, oh, like you did better than me or it kind of like forces this sort of I think it kind of does trigger something when someone is like um I think it's the same thing that's triggered when I'm just trying to eat healthy next to someone and they are offended or they like insult themselves off of the whatever they're eating just because I'm eating healthy next to them. I'm like, "Buddy, I'm not trying to You don't have to compare what you have going on to what I have going on. I'm not trying to trigger you to like do anything differently, but like, can I have this thing over here?" You know, you can have your thing, but can I have my thing over here? When it comes to a parent relationship, it's like, can't you be at least a little happy that I have this thing over here that I'm clearly excited about? You know, yeah. The way the way that I look at it so that I don't find myself feeling some type of way when people like pass judgment is the expression I don't know who it's from but you will never be judged by somebody doing less than you or by somebody doing more than you. You will never be judged by somebody doing more than you. You know so judgment always comes from somebody from a lower position in life that are casting judgment because they feel a certain way towards you. Yeah. Yeah. It makes me think of that. You ever hear that thing about um uh basically like Kobe Bryant is never going to be typing a comment on someone's social media post, you know? He's never going to be like judging someone or like talking [ __ ] on a post or like he's never going to be on Reddit just like insulting someone cuz he's just he's like why would he ever think like that? Why would he ever waste his time? Yeah. If somebody's like, "Oh, Jordan's the best player that ever lived." You're not going to see Kobe in the comments be like, "No, I am." Yeah. No, he's going to go prove it by being out on the court. Yeah, exactly. [00:44:17] Trey: Yeah. Yeah. Uh well, I mean, we get caught up in we get caught up in our identities, you know what I mean? So, uh I want to talk more about identity. What I mean, clearly you've spent time in prison. I mean, I'm sure you probably were around a lot of people who were caught in an identity of victimhood, not some version of this thing happened to me. I grew up in this experience. That's why I am this way and therefore I cannot change because genetics, you know, or um there's, you know, they don't even think that there's a, you know, a way out. So, what did you see a lot and I guess what would be I don't know like what would you have to offer them now that you're on a different perspective yourself like maybe you know I give you a microphone tray and you're kind of like talking to a room full of people that you used to be in rooms with you know 9 8 n years ago what could you offer them well probably about the same amount that I was able to offer them then um not much because people in there are not open to the ideas that we're discussing. You know, it takes a certain type of person that is ready for advancement in life and ready to change the identity that they possess. I was surrounded I was in a maximum security prison in Tennessee. I was surrounded by murderers and drug dealers, rapists, and the literally the worst of society over there. And I was right outside of Memphis, which is like the murder capital of the world right now. And it was it was the wild west. Like it's not a point of pride or anything. Like I literally had to sleep with a handmade knife in my cell every night for fear of my own life, [00:46:09] Jacob: You know? And it's and when I was in there and I did talk to people on any sort of philosophical level, it either went right over their head or they were offended. They were offended because they felt like I was trying to make them feel dumb. [00:46:24] Trey: And like I don't I don't talk like I'm some super genius. I don't talk like I'm some doctor or whatever, you know? I don't have a college degree. And it's just the people in there and their mentality is so stuck in their ways. You know, it's gang mentality. It's prison mentality. It's victim mentality at its finest. And you can't convince somebody to change their life. You can you can never convince somebody to change their life. Like just like you can never convince an addict to stop doing drugs. It has to come from within. You have to reach your own level of rock bottom before you want to change. So the people in there that are not ready to change are not going to. The people that are open and susceptible to new information and new ideas, they love to listen to me talk. Like cuz even when I was in there, I would still when I reached my rock bottom and I did recover my first day back in the pod, like I instantly like instantly went to meditation. I instantly went to yoga. I instantly went to working out. Everything that was no longer serving me stopped from that moment on. There was no more of it. Like I never touched a drug from that day on. And like I don't drink. I don't I don't smoke cigarettes. I don't do nicotine. I literally do nothing. And even recently I quit smoking weed because I felt that even that was at a stark contrast for who I saw myself as. You know, I preach overcoming victim mentality and sobriety and all this. Like I can't be I can't be out there smoking weed, you know, like I don't judge people to do I don't judge people that drink, you know, but if someone is open to ideas and they're open to having an open forum and a and a discussion on how to better themselves, like I'm all for it. Like I would love to help people see a new perspective on life and that news perspective can be offered through my stories and my experiences because I've lived it. Like I've lived life as a drug dealer. I've lived life as, you know, I've been on high-speed chases, on crotch rockets. I've done like all the crazy stuff that you can imagine. I've probably done it. Like, I've I was involved in a murder in Washington. Like I didn't kill anybody, but I was involved in a murder in Washington state where I helped move a body and helped someone potentially almost escape murder charges, you know, like and that was all due to the psychology of the mind, you know, when I was at a lower level of lower level of intellect and a lower psychological point and a lower energetic state like I was surrounding myself with these things. and what you surround yourself with multiplies. So, I'm like I said, I'm just grateful every day for my mindset, you know, grateful that I hit my rock bottom. I'm grateful that I'm still here. Yeah, bro. Well, I'm grateful that, you know, from your rock bottom, it really it really snapped you into the, you know, the light within you. Kind of took control of the steering wheel, right? Um what I was curious about um is so I in prison I imagine there's books and stuff right um what were you drawn to? Who were you reading? What were you listening can you listen to YouTube at all or anything like that? Were you listening to podcasts? Anything like that? Uh you can um I had a cell phone when I was in prison. You're not supposed to obviously but I had a cell phone my whole time in there. is a touchcreen. So I was like I was facetiming people every once in a while on the street and I would use it to mainly download like movies and music and things like that. And my main staple was I would download meditation music and I would spend a lot of time in my cell and I would just meditate and that was my peace, you know. And I went through a phase where um I don't know if you're gonna put this on the podcast, but I went through a phase where I was on um I was having someone ship me in um acid on birthday cards and I would drop acid and I would go meditate for like 6, eight hours and I would literally reprogram myself because I would find the pieces of my internal self that were no longer serving me. Hell yeah. And I would just delete them like it was a computer program. Like get that out of here. get that out of here. I need to bring this in. I need to adjust this, you know, and I would just I would work my mind over. [00:50:59] Jacob: Okay. So, were you like what like what drew you to do these things? Were these just like instinctual kind of like have you always been into like meditation and yoga and that sort of stuff or psychedelics? [00:51:10] Trey: Um, yes and no. Um, I was I was always very spiritual growing up. Um, ever since I was little, I had an uncanny ability to see things like future events, things that haven't happened. I could see things that others couldn't. I could feel energies and I just I knew what was right and I knew what was wrong when it came to my cannon moment, the moment that I died, you know, I knew from that moment on what was right and what was wrong. And it's like that younger version of myself resurfaced and was like, "Hey, bro, like you have the ability of discernment. Use it." You know? So from that moment on, I knew what was serving me. So I started having um I had one friend who he was he was on the run from America because he was facing like international drug trafficking charges and he was actually sending me books while I was in prison. And so he would send me books on um like meditation, he would send me books on yoga, ha yoga and um integral theory like collegiate level books, you know, sitting at Ken Wilbur in prison is so tight. Yeah. So I was I was literally on a different level when it came to talking with people in there that like I said, people wanted to fight me because of the way that I spoke. Mhm. Mhm. So, I just like I said, I just started going down rabbit holes, man. And one thing led to another and now I can't stop. Like every like right now I'm reading uh Talk Like Ted. It's a it's a book that teaches you just how to speak better like when it comes to public forums. And like because that's my goal. My goal is to get on stages. My goal is to reach out and affect and help as many people as possible. And maybe my story and insight will prevent someone from going down the same road. [00:53:12] Jacob: Yeah. Yeah. From prison to purpose indeed, my friend. Yeah. Yeah. Um, man, that's really what it takes. I think um I think the awakening uh into the true self and kind of the breaking of the you know, we kind of see through the illusion of the story. So Sam Harris, who's a neuroscientist and meditation teacher and all these other things, modern philosopher, he has um in his meditation teachings, he talks about this moment when say you're like on the street and you're walking past, you know, a restaurant or something and it's all glass, like big open glass and you're looking in and you're like, you know, you can see everybody eating and the in the kitchen and you can see the whole thing and you're kind of just watching and then suddenly you can kind of become aware of your own reflection, you know? you can kind of like, oh, like it was right there the whole time. I was just looking right through my own reflection the entire like I was oh but now like both are there but I can still kind of like see my reflect. You know what I mean? Like everybody has an experience, right? Um and he and he kind of talks about that like that's like kind of the moment that we very quickly kind of overlook in meditation where we're kind of like really trying to rest in the center of the self of the like the non- tryinging like dude you're fine. Just like it's right there. Don't try to jump past it. like the reflection is there just kind of rest in it sort of thing. Um, and I think that the awakening that moment where you can kind of like snap out of it, there is definitely a like a before and an after. For me, it's like there before my experience like that where I really like truly kind of like snapped out of it, you know, my version of my like kind of NDE or my, you know, condundalini awakening, my spiritual awakening, whatever it was like really kind of the big moment. Um there's like a before Jacob and an after Jacob, you know what I mean? Yeah. And so I don't know. I think um I'm kind of curious to ask you more about like just awakening in general, you know? Like what do you think it is like the that this thing that we've gone through the thing that more men and women seem to be going through? Like we talk about it on all these podcasts. There's like this whole new age movement on the internet. Like, and even outside of the whole new age thing, there's tons of people having condundalini and spiritual awakenings. What's up with it, man? Like, what do you think? Isn't it isn't it so sick, dude? It's pretty cool, dude. Me and Jordan talk about it all time, but yeah, like I don't know. What do you think about it, bro? Like, what's going on? What do you think? [00:55:43] Trey: I think that right now the world is waking up. And to put it broadly and more specifically, it's the harmonic resonance of Earth, the Schuman resonance is reaching a point right now where it's forcing people to wake up because if you're an antenna, which we are, we're antennas, right? And we're an antenna for frequencies, outside frequencies. And that's why we're so affected by other people like and people, places, and things affect us. Like when you go to a new place, you can feel the energy of it. Well, the earth as a whole has a resonance and it's called the human resonance. And normally it's like seven hertz or whatever it is. Well, the human resonance lately has been through the roof. There's been crazy energetic spikes. And these energetic spikes force us to resonate at a different frequency. So if we are energetic beings, beings of light and whatever you want to call us and antennas, we pick up on these outside energies and frequencies, then what do you think is going to happen if all of a sudden the resonant frequency of Earth is just through the roof, you know? Like we're we have no choice but to resonate with it, you know? So it's causing people to wake up at an alarming rate. Yeah. Dude, it literally makes me think of like that's of course how [00:57:10] Jacob: That's how like a new sense would be born, right? Like the like, you know, kind of the third eye, so to say, opening is kind of this ability to have the meta perspective on the world, like the real the truth of what's going on. You know, you have this view from above while you're living within. You know, you're like, "Oh, [ __ ] Okay, life is a maze, but I could see it. I know it's a maze, so I can't be fooled." You know, it is like this um I mean maybe it would make sense that the human species would be gaining a new a new sense like going in a direction of expanding what they are. You know, we walked out of however the hell it happened. We walked out of water. We were fishies or whatever. We were tadpoles or whatever and then we became, you know, land dwelling creatures and monkeys and here we are having a podcast. You know, like we're going in some direction, you know. It see it seems to um it seems like the togetherness is only true and we are being sucked in. You know [00:58:11] Trey: I think I think that Christians have one thing right and that is the second coming of Christ. But I think it's misinterpreted as like Jesus Christ the person returning. But I believe the second coming of Christ is Christ consciousness. I don't believe like Jesus himself is going to like come down out of the sky or virgin birth again or whatever the Bible says. I believe the second coming of Christ is just that. It's Christ consciousness that some people call it 5D, some people call it like a condundalini awakening, whatever you want to call it, but it is what it is and everyone is experiencing it. You know, it's this worldwide phenomenon where everyone is waking up. Like look at geopolitically right now across the entire world. You know, countries are waking up to their evil corrupt governments. People are waking up to the corruption and you know, victim mentality within themselves and like the whole world is getting a software update right now, you know. [00:59:14] Jacob: Yeah. Yeah. Pretty much. I mean we're operating on the same hardware and our software has been being used against us for you know various amounts of time and various reasons for you know uh billionaires and oligarchies and all these uh you know all these people who can control us uh by using our biology aka like making us feared so they can kind of control what we think. Um but our like you said our not only our UI but our software is upgrading like we are we are learning more. We are becoming smarter. we are like experienc I think um Alan Wat or not Al Watson but a Terrence McKenna again he talks about uh in such a trippy way but how time is speeding up in this weird way and it's like it almost makes sense like our individual perceptions as we grow and we like I said go towards a certain direction the amount of stuff that can happen in a single millisecond is more and more like when I used to look at 360p on a TV I'm taking in that many pixels But now with a simple glance I take in 4K you know we have all these different things all these technologies that have added up to where in this in one moment we are devouring more you know um so time is not only speeding up but we are it's going in a direction you know and it's very interesting that we are a species that seems to be like waking up and becoming aware of its direction like it's very profound that you and I started we had some sort of edge experience erience and we're like, whoa, the self is an important thing to talk about and teach people about, you know? Yeah. I don't know, man. It's just Isn't that wild? Isn't it just crazy? Yeah. It's nuts to think that, you know, one second you're dead and the next you're helping people not die. Yeah, that's good, man. We're all just walking each other home after all. Yeah, just walking each other home, man. We're just like taking like Yeah, just into the spirit realm. Like, yeah, I'll meet you up there, bro. But I'm like, I'm at work, you know. Uh man. Okay. Um Okay, so I had I had did have a couple questions. Um Okay, so you had a quote that I really I thought was dope. Um I think this happened right after your overdose experience. Um can correct me if I'm wrong, but you said the version of you that learned to stay hard so you didn't break. Um, so it seemed like you discovered that you had made this armor and you needed that for a certain time, but then you became aware that armor didn't work. Is that correct? Is that kind of what happened with you? [01:01:51] Trey: Yeah, exactly, man. Like you put on this persona so that you don't get taken advantage of, but in all reality, like it's not even needed. Like a lot of these identities that you wear are identities that were given to you in the first place. They're not self-inflicted identities. It's like, you know, your dad said you're good at football, so you played football. Like I never wanted to play football, you know? I did that for him because he said [ __ ] he liked me playing football, you know? And you know, it's a trickle down thing. You know, each one of these identities and labels are from outside sources or from friends and family or whatever the situation may be. So yeah, staying hard is the quickest way to never change. Can you give me an example uh like uh in your personal life uh maybe not even like in the prison experience maybe even before that [01:02:51] Jacob: Where you were living through your armor um where you were very knowingly like a good example where someone go oh like maybe I'm kind of living that kind of sounds like something I would do like where you walk into a room and you're acting a certain way or you project a certain image to protect yourself. Does anything come to mind bro? Yeah. Um, my entire life, my entire life, I held on this held on to this persona of, you know, I was always like, like when I was growing up, I always was the protector when it came to my little sisters, when it came to my friends. Like I would always, you know, beat up people that were in the wrong because, you know, I was that was who I was. But in all actuality, like maybe those people didn't need beaten up, you know, maybe they needed help, you know? So, I was living through that armor, living through that persona instead of seeing the situation for what it was. And like hurt people hurt people, man. And the reason people lash out and they get aggressive or they get violent is just because they have internal healing that needs to be done. So what is what does the future of this whole healing journey look like for you know all of us I guess like you know we have hospitals we have these buildings these structures in our societies that when you're hurt you go to these hospitals and they need a lot of work but it's you know they're they have their greatness and they have they have their good aspects and you know it's at least trying to solve a problem right hey there's someone bleeding let's get them like some clean you know sanitary whatever so in that same direction you know we have psychiatry we have you know we got better help we got we got all these you know mental health but um you know [01:04:39] Trey: I don't believe in psychiatry I don't believe in psychiatry okay well what do we need in its place then like what is how do how do we heal in the future I believe most healing can be done energetically like [01:04:54] Jacob: Tell me think about so our belief creates our reality right [01:04:59] Trey: Just like you know kind of A little flashback here to the double slit experiment. The if our belief creates our reality. So if something is outside of your awareness, it is a wave. It no longer exists on the physical plane. Right? So in order for it to be physical, you have to bring awareness to it. And the same thing goes with healing. It's it goes it's been studied and proven that a positive mindset and belief in a healing journey will heal someone much faster than conventional medicine. Um uh have you ever looked into um like breath work like Wimhof? [01:05:38] Jacob: Yeah. Yeah, I did breath work this morning. Perfect. So you know Wimhof um he sat down and was injected with Ebola or polio or some dude. Yeah. This is so crazy. Please go on. So he was injected with some deadly pathogen. Him and his team and under medical observation using nothing but breath work, mindset, and meditation, he completely combed this deadly pathogen. What? Wasn't it like 24 hours? Like it was some like ridiculous amount of time. [01:06:09] Trey: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Dude, it's they literally just have him hooked up to neural caps and videos and he's just being recorded the whole time and he's actively fighting off this virus. So it just changes what we know. Yeah. Belief, bro. Belief. That's all it is. Energy and frequency and matter and everything is controlled with our belief. Like if we are all God, then we all have the powers of God as well. We just have to tap into them. And these powers that we possess are slowly, well, I won't even say slowly. It's kind of a tidal wave at this moment. Like everyone's waking up like on a massive morning. [01:06:46] Jacob: Yeah. Like grand rising. Here you go. Here's some telepathy, you know. Yeah. And I'm giving you telepathy through my mind. Yeah. Exactly. You know, we're all waking up to the fact that we all are gods. We are in the Bible. It even says ye are gods. It doesn't say ye are like gods. [01:07:05] Trey: It says ye are gods because we're all a fractal of the one true God. The all that is, the universe, the, you know, collective consciousness, whatever you want to call it. You know, something dude that I that I find, it's again, it's kind of me going back to that example that I was talking about with Sam Harris where he talks about where he's looking through the restaurant and suddenly can see his reflection. You know, it's like the inside of the restaurant and the reflection, it's all right there at the same time. Sometimes I think that unless you've had that experience, like a genuine at least that glimpse of like kind of the true nature of just like consciousness in a Okay, I know that's like such a loaded sentence, but just to, you know, not ramble about it too much, unless we've had that when you and I are talking about like victim mindset and like um getting lost in your stories and um you know, we are all gods like that sort of stuff because like I use a lot of the same language as you. Do you think that people really are hearing what they should be hearing or can they hear us if they haven't had that like awakening? What is do you think? [01:08:15] Jacob: So Ken Wilbur actually talks about this. Okay. [01:08:18] Trey: There are there's levels of consciousness. [01:08:20] Jacob: Uhhuh. And it's easy for someone like me and you to talk to somebody at a lower level of consciousness. And I'm not saying intellect. I'm saying consciousness. And it's easy for us to talk someone at a lower level of consciousness. and understand their perspective, but they will never understand ours until they live through it. Yeah. It's like a It's like an elevator. Mhm. And like until you get up to that next floor, you can't understand the perspective like the, you know, the 2D to 3D perspective of that whole floor. [01:08:57] Trey: Exactly. But to add to that, think about if you're if you're like driving over to my house right now and I give you um the address, but you don't use Google Maps or navigate or anything like that. It's going to take you a while to get here. Like you know what you know where I live, but it's going to take you a while to get here. But if I give you a map, the same thing with consciousness. If I give you a map of consciousness now, you're going to understand like how to get there because you understand like at least on a basic level what consciousness is, what that next level is, where I'm going. But if you don't know where you're going, how long is it going to take you to get there, [01:09:39] Jacob: Right? Yeah. A ship with no destination favors no winds or a sailboat with no destination favors no winds. Like do I need to go to the east or the west, you know? Yeah, exactly. I don't even know what port I'm [ __ ] going towards. [01:09:55] Trey: Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, there is like Yeah, there needs there is a direction. Yeah, that's so interesting. So, how do we so how do how do dudes like you and us who are like trying to help people who are trying to share our perspectives and just like you know express who we are and what we've learned on the path knowing that when people are ready they'll come up for some air you know um how do we communicate in a way that doesn't feel like sometimes what happens with like podcasting and stuff dude you probably noticed it too uh it becomes like yay this and boo that, you know, like. So, how do we make sure that we're not going like, "Yay, if you're if you identify with being all that is in God consciousness, but if you think you're just a small identity, like, yo, you suck, dude." Like, you know what I mean? Like, how do we not tribalize ourselves when we're trying to help people? You know, cuz I get I get tripped up and like sometimes I'll hear myself back and go, "Well, I kind of worded that in a way that like I could totally hear that they would take that as me sounding like I'm cooler or better. I know something they don't or something, you So, how do we navigate those waters, man? Um, I think it starts with empathy. You know, if you are empathetic in everything that you do and understand that the reason we're doing this is to, you know, we're throwing people that life raft that they need, you know. Um, when you come from a place of purpose and empathy, it doesn't come across that way, you know. And if someone perceives it that way, they're not ready. They're not ready to hear the message, you know. Yeah. Yeah, that's fair. Yeah. Okay. How about this? Oh, you had a video. I'm just glancing at my notes here for anybody who's just listening. I'm waiting on the pause. You had a video um in explore where this goes. I'm not expecting you to remember exactly what you said in the video, but you did have some excellent points. What are three things that prison taught you? three things that prison taught me. Um well, empathy without standards creates weak adults is one of the my main ones. And kind of to elaborate on that is like when you are empathetic, people in victim mindset will easily attach themselves to someone with a higher empathy level and use that as a as a leverage point. you know, like if you're empathetic towards me and I can't afford rent or something like that, you're like, "Oh, I got you, bro. Here's some money." Ding, ding, ding. You know, now all of a sudden, the victim becomes um a capitalist, you know. And another thing that prison taught me is how to read people. Like, one of the biggest things is reading people and realizing that a smile is not a smile. You know, just because somebody is smiling does not mean they're your friend. And I'd say the third thing that prison taught me is you got to take care of yourself first. You know, you can't you can't help someone who's drowning if you're drowning yourself. All right, let's dig a little bit deeper on that. I think that is a super important one because people get caught up in being the hero and saving the world before they, you know, quote unquote make their own bed. Um, the example of on an airplane if you're in an emergency, the mask comes down. You got to put your own oxygen mask on first so you don't die before you start helping the person next to you or your daughter, your kid, whatever. [01:13:34] Jacob: So, [01:13:35] Trey: I don't know. Tell me more about that. [01:13:37] Jacob: So, you can't pour from an empty cup, you know? So you have to fill your cup first and whether that be through meditation, breath work, uh identity work, like you have to transform yourself into a person that has the ability to help in the first place. If you are telling people, hey, don't eat fast food. That shit's poison. But yet here you are snacking on a Snickers. Like who are you to be the end all be all and the justified party, you know? So you have to put yourself in a position where you can help in the first place. Be the person that you want other people to be so that when you reach down and you pull people up, they see like, "Oh, it is nicer up here. You were right." And it's not like you're telling people like, "Oh, meditation is so great. Like I feel so great for meditation." But really low-key, you don't even meditate. You're just over there scrolling or something. You know, you wake up at every rise and you're just on your phone scrolling or waking up and eating junk food or whatever the case may be. You got to take care of yourself before you can take care of anybody else. Yeah, absolutely. I feel like it's definitely life is really a proof is in the pudding type thing. Like you don't get other people inspired to meditate by Yeah. walking around saying I'm a meditator and like you know clocking your hours and sharing your stats on social media. You know, it's like people just you meditate for your reasons for because it's the way that you serve. Um it's the way that you uh you know, connect to what's larger than you within you and your personal practice. And then who you are proves itself in real moments. You know, not to say that just because you meditate you won't, you know, get angry or have an outburst or, you know, have a little road rage or whatever it is that you that you deal with. But if there is someone who knows you before you started meditating or and they know you after you started meditating, they may genuinely notice like, "Hey man, you are way more chill or you are way more understanding or you are way more this or that." Um, you know, the proof proves itself and you didn't even have to tell them. They might even be like, "Yo, what are you doing?" And then you could say, "Oh, well, you know, I've been meditating. It's pretty sick." But you don't you don't walk around saying, "Well, I meditate. I'm sick. Watch how sick and calm I am. Watch how you know what I mean?" Like it just Yeah. Yeah. You don't Yeah. You don't go to the mall to meditate so people can watch you meditate and then they know you're a meditator. It's like no, bro. You do it for you and you know the fruit is bear uh by other people just noticing that you're in a different state. Yeah. Exactly. Like when you talk to when you talk to people, you have a different air about you and people recognize that. Like if you talk to people that just something as simple as meditation or changing your diet, people notice that whether it's consciously or subconsciously, there's something different about you to the normal, you know, uninitiated. [01:16:34] Trey: And when you when you talk to these people, they're subconsciously inspired by you. They don't know what it is. They don't they feel it. They don't know it. And it's palpable because like we were saying earlier, levels of consciousness. When someone's at a lower level of consciousness and they come across somebody that is resonating at a diff at a different frequency, they feel it. Their antenna picks it up. They don't know what it is, but it's there. [01:17:08] Jacob: Yeah. It's like it's like sensing It's like sensing, yo, I have a I have a plugin that would fit that thing you have. Like I think I have that plugin in me, you know, like I think I have like imagine if you were um like you used to be Have you seen Avatar? Like the blue people Avatar? Yeah. [01:17:24] Trey: Yeah. Imagine like you were one of those and then throughout hundreds and hundreds of years you like just stopped using your little tail connector thing and so you just became like this creature that's blue and doesn't have a tail connector thing, but then you saw some other avatars who like took out their tail and they connected it to like the great mother ya or whatever it is in avatar world. You'd be like, "Oh, what the what the fuck?" But then you'd have to look at your own life and like all the things you do that are anti that tail thing and it might be triggering and so you might oh I have to change all of the sudden and so you either dive deeper into the identity you are or you go [01:17:56] Jacob: Let me what hey what's that tail thing you're doing? Tell me about that. Like how do I what is that? Do I have can I do that? How do I do that? You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. I'm curious and I've been told my whole life that it's you know it's taboo but I kind of want to try it. Yeah. Yeah. Well, dude. So, Ramdov says like when he's talking these big lectures, he talks about how, you know, he could be talking for an hour straight and nobody's saying anything. People are in a trance. They're just nodding their heads. And then he's like, he's like, "How do you how do you guys know any of this? How are you just nodding your heads like, "Oh yeah, that is how it is." Ohh. Oh, yeah. And he's talking these deep spiritual concepts and he's talking about his self-dying and all the psych psychological stuff. And everyone in the audience is a yeah that is yes Ramdas that is how it is you know it is how it is and it's like how do you know that how do you know that and it's like they couldn't reverberate they couldn't tell you exactly what he's saying you know maybe in some way they could but it's this thing within you it's this shape of something larger than yourself that you have like a you know like I said the plugin it'll fit just fine it'll fit like a puzzle piece you have that shape of it in you it's just life is trying to hand the experiences to, you know, plug in, to turn in, to tune in to drop out, as Timothy Larry would say. I love Timothy Larry. You know, I actually knew his niece. [01:19:18] Trey: No way. [01:19:19] Jacob: No. Kn know his niece. Yeah. Whoa. Okay. What's that like? What's that like relationship like? Has she told you any stories about him or anything? [01:19:26] Trey: Uh, not too many stories. Um, it was in it was before my uh overdose experience in prison, so it was a different version of me that knew. And because of that, I was meeting her for different reasons. You know, I was dropping things off. And she's actually a pot grower um in Bend, Oregon. She's like one of the largest pot growers actually. Um yeah, like thousands of plants kind of thing. Um [01:19:55] Jacob: Timothy would be proud. Yeah. Yeah. He's smiling in his grave right now, you know. But she was cool. She was uh for someone that grew a lot of weed, she was very hyper. Um but she was super sweet. She was, you know, little small stature person. Like super nice though. She lives in Portland, actually. Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. Right off Yeah. Right off Rosa Parks. Oh, nice, dude. Yeah. Hey, dude. You wonder if there's like some, you know, the lineage thing is pretty interesting. Like I don't dive too deep into my personal lineage. I don't really know a ton about it, but it is kind of interesting when, you know, the descendants of some known figure stumble into similar areas, you know, like I wouldn't say that, you know, being a I'm sure she knows her stuff with pot if she's like one of the biggest pot growers. So, that's pretty cool that she comes from the, you know, the background of Timothy Larry being in her family. [01:20:49] Trey: Yeah. Here's a crazy uh a loop, a crazy loop of connection. So Timothy Liry back in the day was friends with uh Nicholas Sans. Nicholas Sans um was friends with a guy named Sasha Scholan, Alexander Scholan. He was he wrote a book called PCAL. It stands for phenylmines I've known and loved. And it was pretty much a book on chemical compositions of finephomines like LSD and 25i and 25e and all the derivatives and things like that. Well, while I was in prison the first time, I met somebody who studied how to cook underneath um Alexander Sasha Schulen, right? And then one thing led to another. I get out of prison and I started cooking uh Molly with the same person. So I was actually cooking Molly with someone who learned how to cook Molly from the godfather of acid who is friends with Timothy Liry who I met his niece or whatever. So I was like and this is all in different Yeah. And this is all over the country. This isn't all in one small area. This is like in Washington, Oregon, California, Tennessee. Like I was all over the place and I just happened to meet this like hive of people that were all connected back in the day and connected now still. Man, where do you where do you put that in your brain? Where do you compartmentalize it? Like I know like synchronicities are an impossible thing to explain, but like the coincidences seem to add up in certain things. Like do you think like maybe like I knew these people in a past life somehow? Maybe like I don't know how do you conceptualize that sort of stuff, [01:22:29] Jacob: Man? I don't even know where to start on that. Like it's so crazy sometimes like realistically if we started talking long enough I bet you we met at some point in time or our parents did or maybe like 20 years ago there's a picture of us at Wild Waves, you know, where you were in the background of a family photo, you know, like [01:22:50] Trey: We're all connected, bro. We are all God. [01:22:53] Jacob: Yeah. Yeah, dude. That stuff is something else. That is Yes. I was actually just listening to Ram Das. It was either last night or this morning. Um, and he was talking about this dude was talking about synchronicities and the guy was like, "No, like something's going on like that." Like they're really getting more and more. And Ron Das is basically saying like your perspective is expanding. That's what going on. Like synchronicities are literally always happening. It's just sometimes certain moments in your life you get to kind of like have that meta perspective where you notice that they're all happening. But like realistically, if you had the ability to in the click of a finger always zoom all the way out, you would go, "Oh, like there's a it's all synchronicities. Everything is literally all connected." Like everything at all points is never not been connected. But um yeah, so it's not necessarily like new synchronicities start happening. It is almost like a your ability to be aware of them um kind of like expands and like breathes a little bit, you know? Yeah, I feel that 100% man. Like there is points in time when I get deep into meditation that I feel and see not like with my eyes but I see the invisible thread that connects like everything and that's when the connections feel palpable more than synchronistic but other than that like it's like when I'm not meditating when I'm not in those transcendental states it's just like what the [ __ ] you know it's like how is all this happening simultaneously or how is this connected to this or how do I speak something and then it instantly happened, you know? Mhm. Yeah. I mean, there's more and more research being done on a lot of that stuff. Uh what's his name? Uh he talks about like the uh he did this study, man. Who is it basically? He studied animals, animals behavior. So like animals being able to basically sense when their um adults are coming home, when their owners are coming home. And he would do it different times a day. Okay. So, it's not just like, oh, they know about 5:00 p.m. is when, you know, mom and dad comes home. They do different cars, so they don't just recognize their car from down the road. There's like all these crazy studies. Um, I'm still forgetting the guy's name, but um Oh, Rupert Sheldrake, I think. Rupert Spira, Rupert, I think it's Rupert Sheldrake. But, uh, yeah. So, I mean, he talks about these like these abilities, these like knowings, these like things that you can kind of get in tune with. And like even our animals have these like senses, these abilities that they can get in tune with. And I think like even synchronicity is something like it's almost like a little positive cookie that like, oh, you're doing the thing, like you're connected to the thing, you're on the right path, you're you know, it's a it's just like another expansion of an ability, you know. And to take it a step further, like there's a study that was conducted with not only animal like your animals, but they did it with plants. And your plants have an energetic spike when you're on your way home. When you're within like a one or two mile radius. What? Yeah, plants. Dude, oh, you know, and another crazy one I heard about plants is uh there's a book, The Light Eaters, that's pretty good that I'm slowly picking my way through. If you we studied that if you put a Bluetooth speaker a speaker that's playing the sounds of running water underground that a plant I don't know if it's a specific kind of plants or all but their roots will somehow hear here hear that water and the roots will go grow towards the sound of that running water through the speaker [01:26:20] Trey: Like going the other way. Yeah. Like but like what you know like it doesn't have sense organs as we understand them. doesn't have ears and you know reverberating uh you know like mechanics of an ear that we think hearing only exists for this you know um how fascinating is that like what we're just discovering more and more about this whole thing we're living in here. Yeah, we're just brushing the surface, man. I mean, all the uh the pseudocience that's out there is just that, you know, it's people like even the fallacy of math, like what is math? Numbers are just [ __ ] energetic frequencies, too, you know? Like everything is everything is energy at its base, you know? So, we're all connected. Everything is just under living under one consciousness and we're just now starting to scratch the surface on what consciousness even is. Mhm. Yeah. And what a tragedy to forget that. You know what I mean? Like [01:27:18] Jacob: Yeah. [01:27:19] Trey: Like and what a blessing to remember it. Yeah. That's the beauty of it, you know, like they say that you decide your journey before you're incarnated, you know, and who would want to incarnate where you already know everything, you know, like the beauty of life is discovering life itself. Okay. Hey man, we're getting up here in time, but I want to use what you just said as like a um starting our journey towards home here. You just pointed out something that I use in my life to never be a victim. And that is the way I see it. I signed up for all this [ __ ] [01:27:58] Jacob: I made these plans. me and God or me as God or something, me and my spirit family, whatever the hell happened before I slow slid down the slide into this human life as Jacob. I mapped it all out and I said, I want to grow in this way. I want to learn this so I can teach people this. I want to experience this tragedy so at this age I can heal from it and at this age I can help other people and I want to experience this and expand and all these things. I planned it all out and then I slid through onto this magic big slide and I had to forget that I planned any of that out because it just wouldn't work if I remembered any of it at all. You know, I had to forget and here I am. And I use that and I don't know if it's capital T true, but I live as if it's true because I don't know any other way to keep moving forward and I don't know any other way to explain this hunger that I have and that you have this thing that keeps me going. Um, so I figure I signed up for all of it. Uh, I imagine you live in some sort of way that's similar. Um, could you kind of explain your version of that so anybody listening can maybe give a different perspective on this whole like past life quote unquote thing or this like you know planning out your life before you live it thing? [01:29:05] Trey: Yeah, definitely, man. So, I kind of have the inkling that our purpose is predetermined so that when we do come down here, we already know what we're going to do and how we're going to do it, but it would lose its luster if we already knew everything. So, that we come down here and everyone gets amnesia and throughout life we're just battling Alzheimer's essentially, you know, trying to figure out everything like what am I supposed to do now? And the ups and downs is what adds excitement. And the tumultuous the tumultuous sides of life make the calm parts, you know, a blessing and vice versa. Just like that the old Persian adage where he asked somebody to um make him a ring that said something that when he was sad would make him smile and then when he was happy it would make him sad. So this ring bearer came to him with a ring that said this too shall pass, you know, and it's perfect. Like it doesn't matter what situation you're in, whether it be bad or good, like it'll pass, [01:30:16] Jacob: You know? So you just got to take it for what it is, you know? Take it on the chin if that's where it hits and just keep going and realize that life is exactly that. It's life. And without purpose, there's no point in it. And we're here to give it that purpose. Yeah. Yeah. Amen to that, bro. Hey, well said, dude. Thank you for Thank you for taking my rambling like, you know, side quest filled with plenty caveat questions and uh always coming up with like such a great roundabout way of uh of explaining like your version of it or answer my questions, man. You have some great answers. [01:30:53] Trey: I appreciate it, man. This has been fun. [01:30:55] Jacob: Yeah, absolutely, bro. Okay. Okay. Well, so let's uh let's tie a bow on this thing. What message would you like to leave? Is there any like scroll through our conversation? Is there anything that maybe you wanted to hit on that you want to just take a few more minutes on? Um and then I also just I would love to know I'd love for you to share what's in the future for you. What are you offering? Um where can people find you? I'll obviously include all the bio and like your links and all that sort of stuff below, but uh what can we expect? And uh scan your brain if there's anything else you want to leave left unsaid. [01:30:55] Trey: Well, that is a loaded question because there's a lot that I would we could be here for hours, but uh to wrap it up, man, I'd just like to say first off, thank you for having me on, you know, I really appreciate the opportunity and this is just a stepping stone, you know, and I've been manifesting this for, you know, a couple of months now. I've been saying like I need to get a public forum. I want to get on stages. I want to offer people perspectives. I want to, you know, share my story and like all these things. And it's just crazy to think that because I put that out there energetically, vocally, and spiritually, like it's happening. So my message would be to the people listening, man, like if you have a dream, if you have a vision, if you have a higher calling, then just [ __ ] chase it. Like there's no nobody's going to chase it for you. No, nobody's going to pursue your passions like you are. So, just get after it. [01:30:55] Jacob: Bravo. Yeah, I agree, man. Yeah, there's only uh there's only one you. There's only one person that's filled with the thoughts that you have. Like, it's they're coming to you, man. Like, if there's something that you want to be, get after it. I agree. Oh, man. All right. Well, hey, that was amazing, man. Thank you so much for your time. Again, listeners, if you're still listening, uh check out all of Mr. Trey's info down below. follow him on Instagram and all those things. Be prepared for what's coming next. Uh if you enjoyed it, please share it with a friend. If you liked it, maybe leave a little comment and a positive review. Please follow Trey. And what do I always say at the end of every episode if anybody ever gets this far is if you haven't drank any water today. What's wrong with you, dude? Drink some water, some spring water at that. I know I'm over here drinking my plastic bottle. Uh it's time. It happens sometimes, but uh any water is better than absolutely no water, I would say, unless it's full of bacteria from the Amazon rainforest. Also, stretch, guys. Love your body, love yourself, take some time to ask yourself about your identity, and um we will see you next episode. Much love, Trey. Thanks one more time, brother. Yeah, [01:33:31] Trey: Thank you. Namaste. The light in me season honors. The light in you.