# "I'm Not A Teacher, I'm A Reminder" David Hulse and The Path To No Path - Date: 2026-03-14 - Duration: 1:19:30 - Guest: [David Hulse](/guests/david-hulse/) - YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVe3Fzafsis - RSS: https://share.transistor.fm/s/14f14aa3 - Spotify (show): https://open.spotify.com/show/45J7CBdM8j29doqyBp2bFs - Apple (show): https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-junkyard-love-podcast/id1489118788 ## About David, 80, has been teaching ministry for over 60 years. He has decades of experience as a minister, teacher, author, spiritual guide and sound healer - and has journeyed from a fundamentalist Christian upbringing to an inclusive spiritual vista that primarily champions love over fear. David is the founder and spiritual leader of the ‘Academy for Spiritual Awakening’ - a vibrant sanctuary blending things like Christian texts, Gnostic insights, Kabbalah, A Course in Miracles, and modern science to inspire transformation. David works extensively with ancient Solfeggio frequencies and tuning forks, his teachings and insights are weaved with various knowledge from qigong, meditation, 5D, building community, cellular shifts, unconditional love, star-seeds, and many more. In this episode we talk ancient frequencies, 'Babes, Adolescents, and Co-Creative Adults', the overlooked gaps in sacred stories, inner knowing vs. structured faith, DNA revelations from quiet reflection, heart-centered sound work, stages of inner maturation, physical manifestations of soul growth, disorders leading to renewal, experiencing divine encounters, universal memory, sound's role in vitality, ecstatic energy release, community sanctuaries, creating lasting impact, shaping our destinies through community and much, much more. Follow David Hulse here Academy for Spiritual Awakening → https://sanctuaryforawakening.com HeartLight Spiritual Center → https://www.heartlightcharlotte.org SomaEnergetics (Sound Healing) → https://somaenergetics.com Instagram: @academyforspiritualawakening ## Chapters - [00:00:00](/episodes/0120-im-not-a-teacher-david-hulse/#t-00-00-00) Welcome & Awakening as Process vs. Event - [00:03:30](/episodes/0120-im-not-a-teacher-david-hulse/#t-00-03-30) Western Product Mindset and the Missing 18 Years of Jesus - [00:08:20](/episodes/0120-im-not-a-teacher-david-hulse/#t-00-08-20) Reevaluating New Age Teachings and Paradigm Shifts - [00:14:10](/episodes/0120-im-not-a-teacher-david-hulse/#t-00-14-10) Gnosis, Innate Intelligence, and Suppressed Knowledge - [00:21:00](/episodes/0120-im-not-a-teacher-david-hulse/#t-00-21-00) The 1980s DNA Meditation Download - [00:29:00](/episodes/0120-im-not-a-teacher-david-hulse/#t-00-29-00) Discovering Solfeggio Frequencies & Tuning Forks - [00:39:30](/episodes/0120-im-not-a-teacher-david-hulse/#t-00-39-30) Spiritual Growth Stages: Babes, Adolescents, Co-Creative Adults - [00:47:30](/episodes/0120-im-not-a-teacher-david-hulse/#t-00-47-30) Cellular Awakening: Inner Becoming Outer - [00:56:00](/episodes/0120-im-not-a-teacher-david-hulse/#t-00-56-00) Caterpillar Chaos to Butterfly Transformation - [01:04:30](/episodes/0120-im-not-a-teacher-david-hulse/#t-01-04-30) David’s 17-Year-Old Awakening & Cosmic Story - [01:11:00](/episodes/0120-im-not-a-teacher-david-hulse/#t-01-11-00) Starseeds, Critical Mass, and Global Evolution - [01:15:30](/episodes/0120-im-not-a-teacher-david-hulse/#t-01-15-30) Gospel Roots, Sound Spirals & Energy as Currency - [01:17:30](/episodes/0120-im-not-a-teacher-david-hulse/#t-01-17-30) Coccyx Activation, Etheric Blueprint & Tuning Fork Practice - [01:18:30](/episodes/0120-im-not-a-teacher-david-hulse/#t-01-18-30) HeartLight Center, Academy Legacy, and Community Building - [01:19:00](/episodes/0120-im-not-a-teacher-david-hulse/#t-01-19-00) Forgotten Pre-Incarnation Contracts and Future Activations - [01:19:20](/episodes/0120-im-not-a-teacher-david-hulse/#t-01-19-20) Closing Wisdom: Walking Each Other Home ## Quotes - “The path you’re really on should be the path to no path. We don’t need to get something we don’t have. We need to remember what we’ve forgotten.” - “Over the past six decades, I’ve moved beyond the traditional fundamentalist religious framework to embrace a broader, more inclusive understanding of spirituality.” - “Don’t believe everything I say just because I say it. Take what resonates with your own innate intelligence. That’s where your own ‘I AM’ code comes in.” - “Transformation begins with chaos and disorder. The caterpillar doesn’t go through all that to become an enlightened caterpillar -it becomes a butterfly.” - “He said, I'm the way. And I think they cut out the way. You know, there's at 18 years missing in the Bible that nobody wants to talk about in Christian. Them. Like, okay, that wasn't important. He didn't say anything for 18 years that maybe you need to know.” - “I want to work with what’s breaking through, not try to fix what’s breaking down.” - “I'm sure that old caterpillar goes, what in the world is going on here? You know, I've been nibbling on this leaf, and now there's I've eaten all my resources. I have nowhere to go but what's happening inside of me? I don't know what's happening.” ## Guest links (from published notes) - Academy for Spiritual Awakening → https://sanctuaryforawakening.com - HeartLight Spiritual Center → https://www.heartlightcharlotte.org - SomaEnergetics (Sound Healing) → https://somaenergetics.com - Instagram: @academyforspiritualawakening ## Tags / keywords spiritual awakening journey david hulse, solfeggio frequencies dna activation, tuning forks energy healing guide, cellular awakening symptoms explained, gnosis vs religious dogma, 5d consciousness transition podcast, caterpillar butterfly spiritual metaphor, pre incarnation contracts revelation, etheric blueprint sound therapy, energy currency manifestation techniques, spiritual stages babes adolescents adults, breakdown breakthrough motivation, junkyard love podcast full episode, ancient frequencies meditation practice, academy spiritual awakening review ## Archive picks Extracted from the YouTube auto-caption transcript and published About / Chapters / Quotes already on this episode. Labeled separately from Jacob’s published About / Chapters / Quotes / Hashtags. Published notes already include polished quotes (no timestamps), YouTube chapter timestamps, and description keyword tags — leave those published About / Chapters / Quotes / Guest links / Tags blocks unchanged; Archive picks add `#t-…` timestamps on quotes, cue-anchored chapter beats, keywords/hashtags, and a short bio. ## Memorable quotes - [00:00:12] David: “the path that they really are on should be the path to no path. In other words, I don’t think we’re in lack trying to get something we don’t have. I think we need to realize what we have forgotten” - [00:00:12] David: “do I want to try to fix what’s breaking down or I want to work with what’s breaking through?” - [00:07:53] David: “I’m really not a teacher. I’m a reminder.” - [00:08:35] David: “don’t believe everything I say just because I say it. … take … what … resonates with your own innate intelligence … that carries your own I am code” - [00:11:02] David: “what they were all seeking was nosis in the Greek, which is direct knowledge. Not knowledge through a preacher, a priest or a rabbi … but direct knowledge.” - [00:14:09] David: “whatever you qualify into your belief system is the blueprint that cells read as they replicate themselves.” - [00:16:40] David: “I’m telling you, it changed my life when I got those forks.” - [00:27:45] David: “transformation begins with chaos. … That old caterpillar doesn’t go through what it went through to be an enlightened caterpillar.” - [00:27:45] David: “What blesses you in the beginning can betray you in the end.” - [00:35:16] David: “what we’re going through is not to remain an enlightened homo sapien, which is an adolescent human, but we are to become the next level of our evolution.” - [00:43:21] David: “All we have to do is just remember who we are and reach that critical mass.” - [00:45:51] David: “Maybe we’re not the sinners they said we are. Maybe we learn to be the sinners that they are.” - [00:45:51] David: “it’s living me. I’m not living it.” - [00:50:53] David: “It’s living through me.” - [00:52:15] David: “Who shall stand in the gap and make up the hedge? … we’re living between two worlds.” - [00:52:15] David: “my intent is to be able to use the language of 3D with a 5D vibration or frequency to it.” - [01:03:03] David: “I’m teaching a class right now called energy is currency.” - [01:07:15] David: “I see them as keys to the kingdom. … I believe the Solfeggio were the keys” - [01:12:01] David: “thank God for those who went before us and made a way so we can do things easier. And that’s my desire of the academy” - [01:15:45] David: “I’m sure that old caterpillar goes, what in the world is going on here? … I’ve eaten all my resources. I have nowhere to go. But what’s happening inside of me? I don’t know what’s happening.” - [01:18:14] Jacob: “as Ram Dass says, we’re all just walking each other home.” - [01:18:45] David: “Hey, everything’s going to be all right.” ## Chapter-style timestamps - [00:00:00](#t-00-00-00) — Opening — what is awakening? - [00:00:12](#t-00-00-12) — Process vs product / missing 18 years / path to no path / breakthrough - [00:04:59](#t-00-04-59) — Active awakening / Ken Wilber maturation - [00:07:53](#t-00-07-53) — “I’m not a teacher, I’m a reminder” - [00:08:35](#t-00-08-35) — Innate intelligence / I AM code / gnosis intro - [00:10:47](#t-00-10-47) — Heretics, Nag Hammadi, Dead Sea Scrolls - [00:14:09](#t-00-14-09) — Etheric blueprint / 1980s DNA meditation download - [00:16:40](#t-00-16-40) — Solfeggio 528 Hz / tuning forks / epigenetics / SomaEnergetics / babes–adolescents–adults - [00:27:45](#t-00-27-45) — Cellular awakening / inner→outer / chaos→critical mass / caterpillar - [00:35:16](#t-00-35-16) — Metamorphosis to the atom / Bible languages awakening - [00:39:17](#t-00-39-17) — Born conscious / Elohim / starseeds portal story - [00:43:21](#t-00-43-21) — Remember who we are / critical mass / teachings not worship - [00:45:51](#t-00-45-51) — Preaching to cows / Tulsa revival / ministry at 17 / purpose living through him - [00:50:53](#t-00-50-53) — “It’s living through me” - [00:52:15](#t-00-52-15) — Stand in the gap / bridge West–East / 3D language, 5D frequency - [00:56:27](#t-00-56-27) — Gospel piano / Greenwood / Mahalia Jackson / Pythagoras spiral - [01:03:03](#t-01-03-03) — Coccyx activation / energy as currency / kundalini / etheric healing - [01:07:15](#t-01-07-15) — Keys of David / Solfeggio as keys to the kingdom - [01:09:25](#t-01-09-25) — HeartLight Charlotte / Academy legacy at 80 - [01:11:27](#t-01-11-27) — From Sin to Zen podcast plan - [01:12:01](#t-01-12-01) — Academy elevator pitch / pioneer pathways - [01:15:45](#t-01-15-45) — Pre-incarnation contracts tease / caterpillar confusion - [01:17:28](#t-01-17-28) — Closing gratitude / platform for awakening voices - [01:18:14](#t-01-18-14) — Walking each other home / hydrate outro - [01:18:45](#t-01-18-45) — “Everything’s going to be all right” ## Keywords David Hulse, I’m Not a Teacher I’m a Reminder, path to no path, Academy for Spiritual Awakening, HeartLight Spiritual Center, HeartLight Charlotte, SomaEnergetics, sound healing, Solfeggio frequencies, 528 Hz, tuning forks, DNA activation, etheric DNA, epigenetics, Bruce Lipton, gnosis, Nag Hammadi, Gospel of Thomas, Dead Sea Scrolls, A Course in Miracles, Kabbalah, babes adolescents co-creative adults, cellular awakening, kundalini, coccyx activation, energy is currency, caterpillar butterfly metamorphosis, starseeds, Elohim, born conscious, critical mass, stand in the gap, 3D to 5D, process vs product, missing 18 years of Jesus, reminder not teacher, innate intelligence, I AM code, Pythagoras music of the spheres, Mahalia Jackson, Greenwood Tulsa, ministry at 17, pre-incarnation contracts, From Sin to Zen, walking each other home, Junkyard Love Podcast, Jacob Rhines ## Hashtags #JunkyardLove #DavidHulse #PathToNoPath #SpiritualAwakening #Solfeggio #528Hz #SoundHealing #TuningForks #Gnosis #CellularAwakening #Starseeds #HeartLight #AcademyForSpiritualAwakening #SomaEnergetics #ReminderNotTeacher #JYLP ## Short guest bio (from published About + episode speech + published links) David Hulse (80) has been in ministry for 60+ years as a minister, teacher, author, spiritual guide, and sound healer — founder/spiritual leader of the Academy for Spiritual Awakening and leader of HeartLight Spiritual Center in Charlotte, with decades of Solfeggio/tuning-fork work through SomaEnergetics (since sold; he still teaches). Published notes trace his journey from a fundamentalist Christian upbringing to an inclusive vista blending Christian texts, Gnostic insights, Kabbalah, A Course in Miracles, and modern science, championing love over fear. On this episode he reframes awakening as process not product (“I’m not a teacher, I’m a reminder”), recounts a 1980s DNA meditation download into 528 Hz forks and etheric/epigenetic work, maps spiritual stages (babes / adolescents / co-creative adults) and cellular awakening, tells a Tulsa revival knock-down that launched ministry at 17, bridges 3D Christian language with 5D frequency, and closes on Academy legacy, pre-incarnation contracts, and walking each other home. Published links: sanctuaryforawakening.com, heartlightcharlotte.org, somaenergetics.com, Instagram @academyforspiritualawakening. ## Transcript [00:00:00] Jacob: It's all good. The Junkyard Love podcast. Okay. So, let's start with the basics. We were just talking about awakening. This is a tough one. Feel free to bring it where it goes. What is awakening? [00:00:12] David: Well, I think we've not been told uh the right uh I don't want to say that we've been told a lie, but we've not been told really the exact um way in which there's a process to awakening. We tend to in the western uh to edit out process for product. Process is more feminine. Product is more male. So because of the fact that we have this patriarchal uh political religious mindset in the west, we're people of product. We want things to just happen. But really, when you go into the great teachers, uh, even Josua or Jesus, whatever you call him, he said, "I'm the way." And I think they cut out the way. You know, there's that 18 years missing in the Bible that nobody wants to talk about in Christendom. Like, okay, that wasn't important. He didn't say anything for 18 years that maybe you need to know. Uh but I think that 18 years represents process in the way that's kind of been cut out of Christianity as we know it today. So I think that uh there's a process that's missing in the fact I think we're being told that somehow awakening is a an event rather than an unfolding and that we can just wake up in paradise and bliss and all that's kind of the new age uh idea. Now, I've been very part of new thought, new age, metaphysical for decades, but I'm finding myself at a place where I'm re-evaluating a lot of that teaching. Not that I don't believe it didn't serve, but I think there's a shift, a paradigm shift that's going on. And I think we all need to stop and take a pause and kind of look back at some of the things that we've all taught and influenced people with that actually has not brought forth the fruit of what we have said. And that's where I am after decades of research and doing what I'm doing is like okay what of what I've taught what am I seeing that is basically kind of happened. So I really kind of see this idea of um awakenment is a process of moving us into seeing first what we call the illusion of the world. I don't think that awakening is a bypass around it. I think it's through it. And I think that people need to be empowered as to how do we navigate through this time of breakdown. I was asked by my higher self, I guess you can say. But the words formed in me in the uh about 20 25 years ago when I started my business with soul energetics, this uh vibrational tuning fork work. Um, do I want to try to fix what's breaking down or I want to work with what's breaking through? I didn't even know what that meant 25 years ago in my intellect. But something in the cells of my body said I want to work with breakthrough. And now I've to realize that there is there's higher frequency. I call it 5D just for communication reasons. But uh the dimensions beyond our 3D 4D world I think is um breaking through new information new data new direction is coming in and of course the reason I know it's breaking through because the old is breaking down and so rather than trying to fix people I've tried to awaken people to the fact that the path that they really are on should be the path to no path. In other words, I don't think we're in lack trying to get something we don't have. I think we need to realize what we have forgotten, you know, and we've kind of lost oursel in the what course of miracles calls the dream, the world of insanity. It's called many different things. The maya, the illusion, uh world of appearance and all of that. And I think we have to wake up from that. And to wake up from that, we have to see it for what it is first. So waking is not a immediate experience of I'm in bliss now and everything is wonderful and great. I think that actually we find oursel a little disoriented at this time and we're in a uh we're in the midst of this state of chaos. So I'm awakening up to a lot of things that I've even taught and believed that I'm re-evaluating what I've taught and believed. So, I'm in a great transition period uh for myself uh in where I am. And I think a lot of people are kind of in that place and don't realize it because and we're not telling people that's okay. That's okay. Uh this is probably the most spiritual times to be alive on the planet right now, but it doesn't look like the best time. It's kind of like the idea of the best and the worst happening all at the same time. you know, the idea of um the best of times and the worst of times is happening at the same time. Or there's a scripture that says the great and terrible day of God. So, I think we're in the most terrible day, but the great day spiritually uh that people are waking up and realizing that all of this that's going on in the world politically and not just politically, but in every system is not new. We just haven't seen it. We have stuck our head in the sand. And a lot of us who have been spiritual, newagy type people has offered people all this euphoria of bliss and everything is great and ignore it. And I think we stuck our head in the sand, so to speak. And I think people are beginning to realize, no, I'm here to look at it for what it is, but see it from a higher state of consciousness and start raising the vibration of consciousness. So, we need to be working in the in the collective level. Anyway, I could go on and on about this, but I'm I guess I'm just sharing with you an experience that I'm going through at this time of my own awakening that's taking place. [00:04:59] Jacob: Yeah. Yeah. Uh as it's an active awakening, it's not it's not as it's only something you had an awakening experience and now you're this, you know, just this person, now this diff this different person. It's an active thing. Uh Ken Wilbur talks about I'm sure you've looked into Ken Wilbur in integral theory but he talks about this maturation process and I feel like when I was first listening to him talk about it um it was so simple and so profound. It was a little bit like kind of one of those remembering things that you're talking about. It's like, oh yeah, I kind of know this, but it seems so obvious when he when he points it out basically, you know, we go through puberty in the physical body uh when we become a certain age and that's an obvious thing. And it's, you know, it's not necessarily an arrival, it's an active through a few years and we change and we develop into, you know, not only a societal different version of oursel, but a you know, our physical body has transformations, male and female. Um, but also there's an active uh like psychological self version of maturation, puberty that's going on. Um, and it's it's almost like it's happening at a more rapid pace, not only just to more people, but um we're covering more ground at once. like you know just through the internet and just through knowledge and books and exchanges like this. We get to consume so much amazing information all so very quickly and it can expand all of our consciousness at we essentially can mature faster these days as it seems. Yeah, you're saying some really good things there that I really like. Yeah, feel free to jump in. [00:07:53] David: Yeah, I think that uh that things have intensified with information. We are in the age of information, no doubt about it. And I think people can get overwhelmed with it. You know, there's a place uh in the text that says that knowledge can make one weary. And I think people sometimes get so bogged down with all this uh that's on the media, on the computer, on YouTube. I know I can go down that rabbit hole and I hear one and another one jumps on. I go, "Oh, that's good." Until I just like want to shut down to it all. But one thing that I've tried to teach to people or to remind people, I'm really not a teacher. I'm a reminder. [00:08:34] Jacob: Nice. [00:08:35] David: Uh and to remind people that all this knowledge is coming to you from outside, whether it's in a book or whether it's on a podcast or where it's coming from, it is your responsibility to see what of that data or knowledge resonates with your own innate intelligence. I don't think there's anything that we need uh in the sense of what we don't have and gathered outside of oursel. So when you take things like what we're doing today as a podcast or what I do is doing lectures and all that I do and that type of thing, I'm very clear to tell people don't believe everything I say just because I say it. Don't follow me in my teachings because I'm going through a process. I'm just doing it publicly and letting you hear it. And uh I tell everybody to take because you hear something. Somebody may hear us today and go, "That was really interesting. Now I don't know what I think about it, but that was interesting." Now, if it was interesting, it caught your attention. Therefore, you hold it and contemplate it in a neutral state. Don't judge it right or wrong, good or bad, but just hold it. Now if it is for you, it will resonate your own innate intelligence and you'll have your own aha moment or your own epiphany and that carries your own I am code or signature to it because we don't want other people's. We want self-nowledge and I'm talking about the nosis self. Not the self we think we are but the true self that's waking up so that we have direct knowledge with God. I don't know if you've been much into gnosticism, but it has changed so much for me to study that in some way. So anyway, that's kind of the way I want people to see it from my point of view. [00:10:29] Jacob: Yeah. So innosticism, do you mean uh like studying the self and what the self is and changing your uh how you view yourself? Yeah. Well, you know, nasticism is the pre-Christian uh the first two centuries before [00:10:47] David: Oh, yeah. Before we took an organized it into religion uh in Nika when it became a national institutionalized religion, there were those that were called the heretics, [00:11:00] Jacob: Which I identify with the heretics. [00:11:02] David: Yeah. more than I did the uh those who organized it and made it into dogma and doctrine. But if you really read back at that time, what they were all seeking was nosis in the Greek, which is direct knowledge. Not knowledge through a preacher, a priest or a rabbi or through a church or a religion, but direct knowledge. And of course, that became at some point a threat to what was organizing. So they had to shut that down. And um that's where I think we get those who were seeking that way begin to take what they were learning and begin to write it and put it. And that's what we found hidden in the caves in 1945 uh was the Nagamandi uh library like the Gospel of Thomas and all of that didn't make it into the Bible. But now it's showing up because I think they were wise enough to know, you know what, they're going to come along. they're going to suppress this and they're going to change it. So, let's leave a trail for those for that generation that will come. And I think that generation really is the generation of after World War II around 1945. Then you have a couple more years later and you have the Dead Sea Scrolls. So, you're starting to see a lot of suppressed knowledge and information uh begin to show up. But again, it's not to be made into another religion, but it is to be used as a tool to resonate our own innate intelligence. And that's what I love when some when I speak, the greatest compliment I can get from somebody who's waiting at the back of the of wherever I am and they'll say to me, "Thank you for saying that. I was trying to I was already getting that, but I didn't know how to say it. That tells me that what you got came from you, not me. I was just able to help you to uh to bring it into your consciousness on an individual level. [00:13:02] Jacob: Yeah. Yeah. It's certainly a remembering. Um it reminds me of Ramdas. He would talk about how he just has these you know hypnotic audiences and they're just listening falling for 45 minutes and then he would almost kind of break the barrier and go how why are you guys all nodding? You know how do you know this stuff? You know it is that's how it is. You know it is a remembering. It's a it's almost a clearing the small self out of the way so that the bigger self, the bigger you, the bigger God, whatever is shining through instead, you know. Yes. Yes. That's that's what I'm trying to that's the relationship I try to have with an audience of any kind. And you know, even Buddhist said, don't believe anything the first time you hear it. And I think we have to be careful about what we qualify as information into a belief system. And one of the things that I've taught through my energy work and through my vibrational sound work is that whatever you qualify into your belief system is the blueprint that cells read as they replicate themselves. [00:14:09] David: Yeah. So people's got to change the blueprint. It's not just changing the knowledge, but it's what you've qualified into your into your etheric blueprint that is going to make the difference. Yeah. Yeah. So that reminds me, it just sparks uh you know Bruce Lipton in the epigenetics uh conversation. So um I would love to explore a little bit of that. How do you understand epigenetics and like how certain genes express versus not expressing? Oh, that's my subject. Yeah, this all started with me in the 80s around ' 86 and 87. Uh I was uh in a deep uh silent meditation time in which I was really uh opening myself up to receive some direction where I was to go and I heard formed in me the words deox deoxyraic acid. Well, and I still don't know how to say it. It just shows you it wasn't into my intellectual at all, but I knew it was DNA. And uh I won't go into the whole story, but uh the story is that after I heard that, I didn't know what to do with it. And it was kind of at the time that we were uh cracking the code for the genetic uh genome. And I remember President Clinton at that time getting on say that we're very close now to having the genome completely completed. And I thought, hm, that's interesting. They're starting about DNA. And then when we went through the u the trial of I can't think of his name, the football player and OJ and constantly we heard about uh DNA uh act DNA work was going on. Anyway, the words DNA was just everywhere and I thought, oo, this is entering the collective consciousness somehow. So I just said, well, I don't know anything about it. I'm not a geneticist. I'm not a scientist, so that probably has nothing to do with me. Well, it wasn't a couple of weeks that I got this call from somebody I had heard of in years and said, "David, I was told to call you and tell you that there is a teacher out here in California that's teaching DNA activation workshops." [00:16:19] Jacob: What do you mean they were told? Did they have they had like a they heard something too? [00:16:23] David: Yeah, they were like an intuition. Yeah, they just had this I came up to them after all these years and uh it was Dr. Robert Gerard who was doing this. Well, I thought what you can change DNA. I thought that was set in stone. [00:16:40] Jacob: Yeah. [00:16:40] David: But I got on the internet and they were having a an intensive workshop in Scottsdale, Arizona. And I called a friend out there thinking I'd stay with you and I went out there and took this intensive workshop uh about DNA. And so we learned a lot about DNA in several days. It was an intense thing. And then we were given these um at that time CDs that had these sounds that had been done by people who has observed people doing energy work from Reiki to whatever and DNA. And so we were uh we were taught to go around and do DNA activations using these sounds in the background. Well, that's what started it with me. So, at that time, I was u exposed to six different frequencies that had been taken out by the church in the 17th century called sesio. Uh which were sung in the chants of the church, but they were so powerful that they took them out. Um, and they took out like the word the first one was oot quint laxes in Latin and they changed it with do and do became a deer and you have Julie Andrews you know with that kind of thing. So these frequencies had been brought back. Well, one of them was 528 hertz. Now you may have heard of that one because it's pretty popular and it's the heart love frequency of the sofasio frequencies. And so I was going around doing these little DNA activation workshops that I had learned and I thought, man, I got to have that 528 hertz uh because I read that the jennas were using it to repair DNA. And I thought, I got to have that. Well, 528 to the brain, which generalizes would sound like a C uh above a C on the piano, but that's not 528. It sounds like it, but it's not 528. it's a different frequency. So I thought, well, that won't work. Uh cuz something was telling me you'd have to have exact frequency. You can't have a generalized frequency. So that's when I learned about the Sopesio 528. And I thought, well, there's no instrument that plays it. We have nothing in the west at all because western music is called 12 tone temperament, which is C to C, which is a closed octave. Closed octave. So most of our music boxes us in uh rather and that's why we tend to go to Eastern music for meditation or whatever because it's not boxed in music, right? So anyway, I got another call from somebody I had heard of in a long time and in the conversation they said to me, "Did you know that you could have any frequency made into a tuning fork that you want?" A tuning fork? All I knew about a tuning fork is my folks had a piano and they had a little guy come out with a tuning fork and every year and would, you know, change it. Um, but anyway, at that time I learned that 528 was a part of five other Sopio frequencies and some things that just order them all. And I'm telling you, it changed my life when I got those forks. I didn't know what to do with them. But anyway, the 528 was about DNA. And um when I got into the atheric idea, I thought, "Wait a minute. We have ancestral DNA, but we also must have an atheric DNA above it." Well, I didn't know above in Latin means epi above. EPI is above. Wow. And then when I was so ready for Bruce Lipton, it was like, "Oh my god, thank you." Because everything he was saying was coming alive in me. And I thought I'm tapping into epigenetics. So you know uh our ancestral affects us about 50%. But the other 50% is our choices, our attitudes, our thoughts, our food we eat. And that's epigenetics that we have this ability uh to take responsibility of that type of thing. So anyway, I ended up getting downloads in how to teach uh etheric DNA work with tuning forks and I was blessed in Stanford uh university to find a bio genetic guy who was ready to give me the frequencies of all the DNA letters uh of the AC gt alphabet of the DNA. So for 25 years I've taught DNA activation uh work. I still do it. I've taught people how to I can go back and say that there is six generations back that is affecting some of the things you don't understand about yourself because it's not yours. It's theirs. So we go back and rewind those generations back into that. Now I've sold that company. I don't have it anymore but I still do the my you know my own work. But I sold it a few years ago to another couple that's carrying it on. But it's still me, you know, teaching all this stuff in S Energetics. So then I ended up here in Charlotte with as a leader of a spiritual community called Heartlight Spiritual Community as their spiritual leader. And now I've started this academy in which is all my teachings that I've been doing all along. Now you mentioned something while ago that I really want to uh visit and that is the fact of adolescence and all that. I've been teaching for years that there are three stages of our spirituality. Babes, adolescence, co-creative adults. Okay. And I really got that from my Bible background. You know, I've spent years of the Bible. Mhm. I wasn't a good fundamentalist at all. I was a rowdy one. I was always shaking up these, but I remember it talks about and the babes in Christ shall give the sincere milk of the word. And then it says, I when I became an adult, I put away my childish things. And then it says, until we grow uh into the fullness of the stature, being no more children, being tossed to and fro by wind of doctor, but growing up in love. I thought that's the thing that's been missing is Christianity have never taught us growth. It's just get saved, wait for Jesus, go to heaven, blah. And again, they've taken out the process. So, I said I'm going to step in and be the process guy. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Okay, dude. Oh, wow. What a great way to uh to like zoom in on that. I really like that. I think that's brilliant. Yeah. They don't seem to teach growth. But what Okay, I've thought this for some time and I've heard other people say it on um on podcasts and stuff and it really makes me contemplate. Do you think that um there used to be some form of uh tradition or coming of age? Like there's a lot of speculation that um back in the day these people would do psychedelics. They would have some sort of ceremony and they would you know you by doing psychedelics you lose connection with your old self and you know you have a new identity shift inevitably. Um, and so like maybe there's a large portion of the Bible or what we call Christianity that's missing this whole section of maybe this ceremony, this religious tradition, this uh we drink this urgot or we take this psychedelic and we have some sort of journey, some sort of experience that brings us coming of age as a man or something. Um, do you think anything like that could be could be true or have you stumbled upon things like that in your research? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, in my religion I was raised in which was extremely fundamental Pentecostal, right? I mean, really, I never fell for it, but I was raised in it. My own aunt was my pastor. My uncle was the overseer of the of the denomination, so I was right in the middle of it. I was in it, but I wasn't of it. But anyway, and our we taught is 12 years old is the age of accountability. And I think they got that probably the fact that Jesus was around 12 years old when he was in the square astounding the physicians. But this is the craziest doctrine because it meant that the minute I turn 12, I need to get saved or I'm going to hell. Up to 12, I'm covered. Now, that's what they believed. That'll scare you. Yeah. So that was that was the ceremony they went through is come down give your life to Jesus get saved at 12 years old. That's the ceremony. Now if you go back into more Catholicism and those kind of churches they baptize the baby immediately because the baby can go to hell if it's not baptized. So everybody's got some kind of a traditional way into the kingdom uh of God on earth that's different. And of course, indigenous people had their own ways, but it seems like it's innately in us to have this moment of crossing over from being a soul to being a soul in the human body and the human story. So, it's something that doesn't seem to be learned, but I think it's innately in people to do that. But again, I'm not sure it's the outer age or all of that. I think it's stages of consciousness that we're really dealing with here that people are missing. And I think people's been in Christianity for years and have never left the babe stage. They're still babies. And I think there's people that got stuck in adolescence. And I think there's very few that have grown up to take co-creative responsibility to realize that the creator is not going to do everything for me, but I'm going to work with creator to create a new heaven, a new earth, a new realm, a dimension on this earth. And that's what I think people are beginning to awaken to is new responsibility of entering into the process of destiny. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I mean it really is this constant uh you know in Zen or in Buddhism they talk about the beginner's mind. You know, you have to have those life experiences that bring you into the beginner's mind and that's really what the awakening is. You know the fancy flashy awakening that we hear about of like the initial like whoa I have this sudden kind of realization which isn't the full story of the awakening as we've already discussed but that is kind of like the recognition that pulls us out into recognizing that we need to go on a different path. we need to start listening to this different intuition. We need to make changes in our life. That sort of thing. Um so you've probably come across a lot of people um in my notes I had written down uh kind of some different terminology of awakening. So I wrote I think you had you use the term cellular awakening and then I also just kind of wanted to bring in both spiritual awakening and condundalini awakening. So are these would you treat these as different things or are these all kind of like the same thing happening we just use different language for? [00:27:44] Jacob: Mhm. [00:27:45] David: Yeah. Very good. Uh when I say cellular awakening, uh what I believe is um for decades we have been very uh attached to the within message. Go within meditation. Go within. Everything has been within. Within I think in the 80s Shirley Mlan made it uh a big impression on people who began to meditate. uh TM kind of made a revival from the '60s and people began to really rise. It's within. It's within. And you still hear the within. But I think that which was within is beginning to find frequencies and vibrations to not stay within but begin to come out. In other words, I have had wonderful experiences by going deeply into myself. Now you can do that through meditation. You can do that through certain drugs uh or whatever you know uh that are available out there and there's many ways that you can have these wonderful experiences within yourself but that's not helping the world right so what I think is people are beginning to have the experience of what's within them start coming out and when they do it enters the cellular level and therefore Uh I've seen people I've seen people I know in my group they're right now they're having a real issue because we're starting to see a demonstration at the cellular level. In other words, we're not so about quiet all the time, but it's like people want to do something with their hands or their arms or even there's a certain dance that is coming forth and people are moving and they're saying, "What's happening to me? This is not me." You know, I thought serving God was a quiet inner thing and all of a sudden they're feeling all this where they live in the in the cells of their body. And I'm saying because this is the coming of Christ. See, I've heard Christ is in me. Christ is in me. The divine is in me. The divine is in me. But when it comes to where you live, it starts changing all the frequencies, all the patterns of your humanity begin to change themselves. And that's the change that we're in. And unfortunately, not unfortunately, but fortunately, when that happens, we don't understand what's going and we get misdiagnosed. We think something's wrong with us. We run to the doctor and the doctor says sometimes, "You're fine, but I'm not sleeping at night. Uh or my eating habits have changed or I don't know where these added moods are coming from." But what's happening is what's inside both not so good and good is coming out right and people are experiencing it right where they live. And there's a place in where it says that Jesus said which maybe he did in the book of Thomas he said when the inner becomes the outer and the outer becomes the inner up becomes down becomes up male becomes female and so on so forth then you shall behold my kingdom upon the earth. So we got to we got I keep teaching people let this come out. Don't keep going in and visiting it. But what you've been visiting and enjoying inside of yourself wants to manifest itself. And the church has called that the coming of the Lord, the coming of Jesus, the coming of Christ. But it's what's coming is inside of ourselves. And our cells are changing their frequency and their vibrations. The spin of the electron is changing. The molecules are changing. And when the molecules start changing uh and science has quantum science has proven that if you watch a certain atom like a hydrogen atom and it's going to change into a lithium atom that the first thing that it does is become unstable at the molecular level and it goes into chaos uh but and disorder. But what disordered it was order because it can't become the next thing until it has lost the old pattern. And then they observed through the telescope that out of that um chaos one molecule comes over here and leaves all of that and becomes still and then two. Now when two molecules come together they create something greater than the sum of the parts and they activate the law of attraction. So two becomes four, four becomes 16 and critical mass is reached and when critical mass is reached then it jumps to the next level of its evolution to become the next thing. Now if that happens at the molecular level what's happened at the human level? The same thing. So transformation begins with chaos. And I want people to understand that this is not something's wrong. How did I fail? I thought I thought serving God was going to be a wonderful experience. It's exactly what it's supposed to be. And you're here for that. And you've been equipped for that to go through that. So okay. So what is it about the human experience? What is it about like you know us with this ego thing that can you know a caterpillar you've spoke about caterpillar becoming a butterfly before it becomes absolute mush in the in the cocoon. It just becomes complete mush and you know as we are in the process of becoming complete mush and becoming a butterfly of our version. Why is it that we hold on so tightly? Why do we like does a does a caterpillar into a butterfly have this? No, I don't want to become mush. I'm refusing it. I want to stay the same. You know why? Why do we have that? Uh well, it's something in our evolution. The thing about evolution that has served us to this point is our ability to adapt and survive, which we have done. We have survived about five or six extinctions on this planet. We're in the sixth one right now. And we have gone through wars and famine and racism and slavery and genocides and all that and we've made it through that. Now, here's the thing. There's a line. I don't know where I got it, but I really like it. But it says, "What blesses you in the beginning can betray you in the end." So what's happened is we become so accustomed to adapting uh to things as they are that when something tries to change it's not familiar to us and we begin to resist it and even though we say I don't like where I am I want to be somewhere else when that starts happening we tend to go back to what's familiar to us and that's what I think is kind of the push and pull that is going on with people right now. Now, I always make the statement that old caterpillar doesn't go through what it went through to be an enlightened caterpillar. [00:35:15] Jacob: Yeah. [00:35:16] David: And what we're going through is not to remain an enlightened homo sapien, which is an adolescent human, but we are to become the next level of our evolution. And therefore it takes that breaking down to happen. And I think that this is right on. I think people are asking who am I? Uh where am I going with it? And these are very spiritual questions I think for people to explore uh with themselves and to find out what is going on. So I love the caterpillar thing. Um there is one place in the Bible I really do like a lot and it says we shall not all sleep but we shall be changed in a moment in the twinkling of an eye. And that word change in the Greek is metamorphu. So it's not talking about like changing something. It's talking about a complete transition and transformation into something completely different like the caterpillar becomes the butterfly. And the word moment there doesn't mean in a moment, but it is the Greek word auto atomos which we get the word atom from. So it says we're going to be transformed all the way to the atoms of our body. This thing about the Bible, you got to break it down. It's not English. One of the first awakening points I had when I started ministry at 17 years old was nobody in the Bible spoke English. I thought, where did that come from? Cuz I thought the Bible, God spoke English, Jesus spoke English, and I thought, none of them spoke English. So, what did they say? So, I started looking into Greek, Aramaic, and Hebrew, and finally Sanskrit. And I said, this is not what they said at all, what the Bible says. So, I started talking about that, and people started listening to me. and I kind of developed a little following of people who wanted to know and whatever. So that was an awakening point for me. Well, of course that awakening point was a bliss because I thought I had it all figured out in my belief system. I thought because the Bible said this, I believed that. And then when I looked it up in the context of the language and the culture, it didn't say that at all. So I had to change my whole belief system all over again. Yeah. And so I've done that many times, by the way. Yeah. Yeah. I always find it interesting when I have kind of new, you know, I elevate my wisdom or my way of looking at the same thing that I used to look at in a different way. It's always like, man, how did I how did I believe that for so long? Or and then you kind of observe other people, you're like, "Wow, you have a whole you have you react in your life to, you know, an incorrect belief system, so to say." like I you kind of wonder how did you get that out of reading that you know uh it's very and then I also kind of I don't really understand how people could just trust like all right I read it and it's been translated through all these different languages and through these different people and through word of mouth for a lot of it and then they just read it like it's just word for word every single word that's translated to English is [00:38:34] Jacob: Is like God's word and so I yeah I don't know I don't get how you it's very exciting for need to read those and want to explore that more like okay what did that mean in that time like you said what did that mean in that language in their um you know in their history so yeah okay so I would love to kind of zoom a little bit back if you will David um I would like to go so we've mentioned a few times already that you spent a lot of your years as um in ministry so I would love to kind of jump back and ask you kind of about your young years um in spirituality and kind of what your experience was like young and then maybe leading up to your kind of awakening into changing. [00:39:17] David: Very good. Sure. Um I consider myself someone who um I could really get into some things. I'm going to try to hit the right points. I like to say I had a different rapport with time and space from the very beginning. And it was something I didn't learn because what I was learning in my tribal first chakra family was not at all what was happening inside of me. But at a very young age, I knew that I had somehow a different direction of life than what I was being shown at that time. I questioned everything. Why did I do that? I asked my higher self, whoever want to listen and they said to me because there is a critical mass of souls who have been born consciously and I thought what does that mean? Well, this got pretty deep into there. But what it said is there is a certain amount of souls who have incarnated through a different portal than the portal that most people incarnate into 3D world. And oh my gosh, this took me back to the beginning with the Elohims. You know, when it says in the beginning, God, there's no word God there in the real translation. That's from the Greek. That's from the German word for good. That we got this word God. Goot was too gruttle for us. So we said God, but now it's really the Elohims, which is God's little G, male and female as a group. So this group came down out of the sky and uh begin to mess with DNA and all kinds of I'm not going to get all that, but it gets there's a whole story there if you look deep enough in into the Bible. And I keep tell don't throw the Bible away because it's coded. We haven't even understood it yet. Why do you want to throw it away when it's so coated deeply? Uh but you got to get past all the many translations and man's insertion of his doctrines and doctr dogmas to get to it. Uh whatever. But when these Elohims came, they were the true representatives of creator, let's say. But as creator changed its frequencies and got more dense and more dense and got to earth as representatives of itself collectively. Um when it hit the earth the thing about the earth it's a free will planet. That's why it's some of the hottest real estate that's in the galaxy in the universe is the earth because it's free will. And when they got here, they chose to not represent the true creator but to become the creator. So they usurped the creator to become it. And but not all of them. Part of them says we are not going to follow the darker Elohim. And therefore they were banished from the earth into the star systems like pallades and so on and so which is in the Bible. Pades and all that Orion is in the Bible. And we know that 80% of what makes up our atoms is star stuff. Anybody can look that up and check that out. But you're made of star. We're star seed people. So they were banned off of the planet until 2,000 years ago. One of the light Elohims made it into the planet called Yeshua or Jesus and created a new way and portal for us to incarnate and not be dumbed down by the technology that was being used on the earth to dumb down people so they didn't get it while they were still in the physical body. I know this gets crazy. [00:43:20] Jacob: Very interesting. Yeah. [00:43:21] David: But it's the story that unfold. It's there for anybody if you want to dig into it and look into it. So I believe that a lot of us have incarnated uh without being dumbed down that we come in with some memory. This isn't right. This world as it is not my home. Uh I don't fit here. Right? And I'll guarantee the people out there that's listening to us that are part of that are feeling that. They may not understand it, but they're going, "That's me. I've always been the weird one in the family. I never followed what my siblings followed or my parents." That's a good thing because it shows you that you're here with purpose to be here on the planet. All we have to do is just remember who we are and reach that critical mass. You know, the hundth monkey story kind of thing. So, when we reach that, we will we will call this cause this shift to take place. But I do believe that when Jesus said, "I'm the way." He's saying, "My teachings is the way, not me. Don't serve and worship me, the man." He didn't come here for that. He came here with a message that hadn't been dumbed down. And that message is the message of Nosis. And the church is so busy worshiping him that they really don't get into his teachings. and they took out that 18 years of his teachings. That is part of our process of getting back to where we can remember why am I here? What is my purpose to be here? Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. I always wonder the 18 years that you [00:45:05] Jacob: Yeah. Hey. No, I love it. I it's ve very wonderful, very interesting. I feel like there's a million other things that I could ask. Okay. So you certainly were, you know, born awake, born conscious, as you say, right? Is that what you say? Born conscious. [00:45:19] David: Born conscious. [00:45:21] Jacob: So at what point did you start, you know, cuz I'm sure there was a good amount of, at least through your young years, that the teachings that your family and the um the Jesus things that you were learning around you probably did make sense. What was kind of the changing point for you where they started to like the teachings in that book just weren't matching? I love that question. Thank you. First of all, when I was 5 years old, I would go visit my grandma on the farm. Okay. [00:45:48] David: And I found myself preaching to the cows. [00:45:50] Jacob: Nice. [00:45:51] David: And I would preach to Bessie and I'd say, "Bessie, get that lipstick off or you're going to hell." Now, that's what I'd heard in church. See, that's all I knew. And Bessie would look at me and go, "Mo, like, I'm not a sinner. Don't be putting me in hell." And it planted something in my mind. Maybe we're not the sinners they said we are. Maybe we learn to be the sinners that they are. But what actually happened to me was around 17 years old. And I was uh drawn to an event that was happening in Tulsa, Oklahoma. It was a literally a movement that happened. It was an 8-week revival that was going on down the street from my church and I would pass there. I thought, "What is going on in this place?" I mean, there was cars everywhere every night. And uh so I went and snuck into this place. Now, I did not want to be known because I was known as my aunt's nephew. I was their piano player. So, I kind of got in the back. And this preacher was preaching 90 miles an hour and carrying on and whatever. And there was maybe 800 people in there. It was huge. And all of a sudden, he just stopped, walked down the aisle, and looked right at me and says, "God just said to me, he sent you here today. Do you want what God has for you?" And I'm going around, "Who is he talking to?" And I realized it was me. And I said, "Well, yes, sure." He said, "Well, come up here." and I started down the aisle and I never made it to him. Something came over me and knocked me on the floor. It was like 220 hit a 110 body. Couldn't handle it. And I laid on the floor on that floor. And I won't go into all of it. Some of this is in my books, but I laid there and got three visions that changed my life. Now, I went down a skinny, introverted kid dealing with a lot of issues of my difference. But when I got up, this voice bmed out of me and people started listening to me and asking me to come to their church and to all these things. And I began a ministry at 17 years old. Wow. I pastored my first church when I was 19 in Montgomery, Alabama during the race riots of that time. And that was what 64 years ago that I started that and I've never stopped. And I've continued to grow. I've continued to challenge a lot of traditional religion with love because I know where people are. I know where they need to be and they need to be there until they're not. So, I'm not out to convert people to anything, but I think there are those that are a level to hear this message that uh I and others are really bringing right now uh to do that. But that's how it started. And to this day, I can just open my mouth and get up and I don't organize sermons. I don't prepare. I don't rehearse. I just get up and spirit just speaks through me. I just constantly channel what I call my higher self. And it's been a very good successful thing that I do. Now on the academy for instance, we have Bible 101 classes. So I try to meet people where they are and teach them what does it mean sin? What does hell mean? First book I ever wrote was hell yes or hell no. So I've tried to meet people there. And then I've got other things for people that are more adolescent. they're out of that, but they're not quite into the more mature teachings and they're kind of in between there. So, we're trying to meet everybody along my path that I've made that might be kind of looking to find support, you know, on the path that they're on in that in that way like that. But yes, 64 years ago, I started being a full-time minister and I need to write a book. I've had a lot of experiences. I've never joined a religion. I've never joined an organization. I've never been a part of a denomination. I have totally just walked and trusted uh God, universe, whatever you want to call it. And it has been with me right to this point that I am today. Wow, that's so fascinating. Yeah, I didn't I didn't realize that story. I didn't know about that. That is so cool to hear. U what an incredible, you know, invitation into the into the life that you've lived. I mean, really kind of a an initiation into purpose. That was one of my questions for you was uh kind of like what is purpose and like how are you living through purpose and I feel like you've already answered that question. You know I don't mean to interrupt you but it's living me. I'm not living it. [00:50:51] Jacob: Living through you like live [00:50:53] David: It's living through me. [00:50:54] Jacob: Yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. Um okay. So I'm really fascinated curious. Have you heard of the there's a spiritual teacher um he's pretty popular on YouTube but he's an author. He's written a book. His name is Aaron Abkey. Have you heard of his name? [00:51:10] David: I don't recognize that name, Ronald. So, he was a he was a pastor's kid from a young age. Um and he was teaching ministries from a very young age. And then um he started having some questions and then started reading some more eastern uh eastern psych psychology. Um started exploring different theology outside of just like his one religion. And he had kind of these awakening experiences. And now I find that he bridges um I feel for me he's helped me bridge a lot of the western and eastern ways of understanding things like oh yeah they're talking about the same thing and this is just another brilliant way to put it and all that sort of stuff. Um and it's and on top of that I'm really drawn to you know Alan Watts did a great work of [00:51:51] Jacob: Bridging those two gaps and that sort of stuff. Um, so I guess I kind of am curious where you see that bridge happening. Um, not only in like your own teachings, but just kind of in the in the modern times like this connection between Western and Eastern like are we going to pop out on the other side with just an understanding of kind of the whole thing or you know where do you see that going? Okay, you just asked the right questions. Thank you. [00:52:15] David: Good. Uh, a scripture that comes to mind, in fact, it's one of my slogans that I use at the center is, "Who shall stand in the gap and make up the hedge?" Now, we're living in a world that's dying, but a world that has not fully stabilized itself. The 3D systems are all like the caterpillar going to mush. It really is. I don't care if it's financial, educational, political, religious, medical, everything is like the caterpillar going to mush and going into state of disorder. But the new systems that are trying to come in, which the Bible calls the kingdoms of this world, you know, kingdom should be systems of this world, uh has not really stabilized itself. So, we're living between two worlds. That means we've got to have those who are instructing us, empowering us, and directing us, who are in between, and who will stand in the gap. And the names that you were mentioning are those, and I'm trying to do the same thing. That's why I still use the Christian language. I still will throw in scripture while I'm talking Buddhism. I will talk a cabala, but I'll use scripture because I try to bring everybody back to where they've been at the same time where they're going, but where they are right now in this gap between the worlds. So, I really admire those who have not totally cut the past out because a lot of people need to be reached who are in that level. So, um, that's my intent is to be able to use the language of 3D with a 5D vibration or frequency to it. Yeah. Nice. Okay. Um, so I do want to go back towards So, I want to go back towards tuning forks and frequency and um, those sorts of things. So, a little bit of my background just to fill you in. I've been a paid DJ for 14 years. I do a bit of a musician myself. Um, so I have I'm an audio engineer. Um, so I, so I have my levels of understanding with music and frequencies and, uh, you know, uh, we have this thing, um, in one of the programs I use, it's called the Camelot wheel and, um, it's essentially like a different wheel of keys and it's, you know, it's color-wise, it's the same hue, uh, like you know, your hue color selector and any old thing, it's the same sort of thing and it correlates, you know, the different keys hit this different color, which correlates to the different motion, those sorts of Um, and I bridge the gap with, you know, our chakra systems, you know, our different color chakra systems, simplified. Not always like, you know, you play the red one, it always activates root chakra feeling in you. But there is some truth in that. And I've witnessed it on dance floors and I've built hourlong journeys and those sorts of things. And you know, I've brought people in dancing and ecstatic dances to places 45 minutes in that like they just couldn't have gotten there without this bridge, so to say, I guess, from starting from the very beginning, you know? And when I'm building those sets, you know, I'll be at home when I'm just trying to gather ideas and get samples and songs. And I feel very intuitive when I'm building those sets. It's almost like I'm projecting myself into that room, like what do these people need? who's going to be in this room, what's going to work through them. It's really fun. I mean, it's such a [00:55:50] Jacob: Wow. I love it. I love it. It's such a fascinating experience. Um, so I think I kind of wonder [00:55:56] David: To throw that back towards you. Um, I kind of wonder I don't know if you see yourself as like a an artist or a musician much, but um I kind of see you as that way. I wonder like with your tuning forks, do you have an intuitive kind of like thing that comes through for you that's like building something for other people that's kind of um using these sound and these frequencies as ways of like he like I guess do you see yourself as a bit of a shaman in some sort of ways at all when you when you use your tuning forks? [00:56:26] Jacob: I'll take that. [00:56:27] David: Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Call me what you will. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's an interesting qu thing. I think I'd like to start with the fact that u uh when I was a young man, I mentioned my aunt was my pastor and she had this wonderful kind of bluesy jazzy voice. Oh, nice. [00:56:47] Jacob: And she would take me over to the African-American church on Saturday night when they would do these radio broadcasts and she would sing. And when I would listen to the singing, I thought, what is different? The way they sing Amazing Grace and we sing it as white people. Yeah. They were using more black notes, more dissonant type notes. And it just resonated with me. And I sat there and I thought, I want to know this. So, uh, I hired a little girl from Paradise Baptist to come and teach me. Now, I was playing piano for my aunt by ear. I've had no lessons. But one Sunday, my aunt, who was up preaching and had lost her piano player, spun around on her sixinch heels and pointed to me, I was 10 years old, said, "David, you're going to be my piano player." And my dad had taught me C, F, and G. That's all I knew. And I went to the piano. I loved her so much. She started singing When the Saints Go Marching In and my fingers started flying. So I learned to play that kind of gospel. But the black gospel thing really caught my ear. And I learned to play enough of it that very church hired me as their organist for $25 a week, which in 1962 wasn't too bad. And by the way, this church was in Tulsa in Greenwood. If you know the Greenwood massacre story, [00:58:21] David: I'm unfamiliar. Yeah. 1901 was one of the worst massacres of Black Wall Street was in Tulsa. It's hardly talked about, but it's now coming out what went on. And there I was in the middle of all of that. So, I became very interested uh in that kind of music. To make a long story short, I ended up traveling with Mahalia Jackson, who was the you're young, but she was the gospel queen of uh gospel music uh back in those days. And so I ended up more in that culture of music and liked it. I still am. I still do it. Uh I still sometimes it just comes out in me and I do those kind of uh things like that. So I have no training in music whatsoever but I play by ear and I just can do what I do. Either that I don't do what I do but as I said earlier the thing about western music is called 12 tone temperament. Are you familiar with that? [00:59:21] Jacob: Um a little bit a little bit. All right. If you go all the C to C white black note you go 12. So a full octave is 12 and then you box it in. You close it. [00:59:36] David: Well, what's happened now that's so fascinating is we've gone back to Pythagoras who said and looked up into the heavens and the skies and said, "How do I get to heaven to earth?" Speaking of the stars and whatever and came to this genius idea, let's not close the octave. So when he didn't close the octave, he found the spiral of the of the atmosphere of everything. And we know now that NASA has found out there that's not empty space, but it is sound coming off of moons and planets and whatever that everything is connected by vibration and sound out there. So he brought heaven to earth in the music of the spheres. it's called. Anybody can look it up and find his work. Um, so he's a great player in a lot of this new idea of using more dissonant sounds than just linear A B C D CDE E FG. But he began to put in these unusual sounds that was bringing in higher sounds of planets and whatever. Well, that fascinated me and I connected that to the sofasio. Have you heard of sesio? [01:00:59] Jacob: I've heard of sesio. Yes. Yeah. Okay. So, the sofasio to me are bridge between Pythagoreans's um comma. Pythagoreans comma is the space of the overshoot of the octave in which there's a little bit of space there. And it's in that space that we find the spiral because the universe is a vortex and spiral. That's why we are attracted to chakras because they spiral and they connect us to the bigger spirals of the universe itself. They are many universes in us that we can deal with. I mean the chakras are taking too much u you got to really realize the power of chakras are amazing. It's an amazing thing. So anyway um unfortunately western music like everything uh came along Rockefeller and them and all them they changed the 444 to 44A. Uh they did it on purpose. I hate to say it, but they did it for the fact of keeping people limited and boxed in through the music. And that's what happened to me when I heard the black gospel music. It wasn't boxed in music. Now, shooting forward later and getting into more newagy whatever and I started meditating. I could not meditate to western music, but if I heard something that was eastern, I could do it. And most people do if you think about it go more in new age go more toward eastern type sounds more Hindu more whatever now the idea of the condundolini just merely means that we have not used the supply of energy that we've been given for a lifetime because we stay in survival mode and therefore that energy has been pulled down through the crown and ends up at the coxix [01:03:03] David: And that's one thing that I was given to teach people through tuning forks. I had three frequencies of tuning forks to activate the coxix to connect people's personal energy field to universal energy field. So it was like taking their because I teach I'm teaching a class right now called energy is currency. So sometimes we don't have enough beyond survival to manifest what we want. So I march people down to the World Bank, central bank where all the money is and we withdraw it and then through the shackles we distributed into the energy anatomy body and this gives us more abundance of energy to work with to create and to manifest with in that way. So that's what condundolini is kind of means to me. I know that's an eastern term, but actually it is about the energy that is at the coxix level that we have not used. Yeah. Yeah. I like your emphasis on it on it having been stuck in it like when it comes out. It's the condalini experience. I was kind of curious if you can I was thinking of you know if anybody's listening or watching that is kind of unfamiliar with any sort of energy work or raiki or um you know maybe even they don't know much about yoga or any of this sort of stuff. Could you tell what is it like when you um I mean you've now passed it down, but when you were the person doing these um these healings and you're actually using your forks and you have them in your hand and things like that. What's going on in like person to person? You know, I've seen videos of you know, bodies moving around and people having, you know, tears coming down and that sort of thing. Is it a bit like that? It can be. Everybody's different. Everybody responds very differently. But I'm working totally in the atheric body. I never touch the physical body. Physical body is totally effect. I'm working in cause. I'm working in that blueprint. And that's the thing that's beautiful about energy work like that people just don't get is that we know now that every disease that's coming into the physical body is in the atheric blueprint 9 months to a year before it gets there. So, I've taught people how to use the tuning forks and listen to them and feel where there's blockages in certain aspects of the atheric body that's connected to that chakra. So, let's say it ends up in the first chakra. Well, that means something from conception to six or seven years old has not been balanced somewhere in that person's unconscious part of them. So we intuitively can find that by experience and learning. You know it's not just going to a workshop and learning something. You got to practice it. You got to cultivate it. It becomes an art to you. And I've taught people all over the world. Uh we had teachers all over the world. They're still out there uh that teach this method. But if it's already in the physical, then we can find where the root of it is in the etheric part of the body that's connected to that chakra. So then we go in with these combination of sofasio frequencies and learn how to create an environment where the person if they're ready to release it. We don't make people release things they're not ready for, but we create the environment for them to let it go if it's not serving them any longer. So, I never disempower anybody by saying, "I'm the healer. I'm the one out here doing this. I'm just facilitating what's inside you that has gotten stuck and that you're not connected to." And this is the wonderful thing about vibration. I think tuning forks is perfect example of pure vibration. It has no emotion to it. You know, I hear songs and I have an emotion. I'll think who I was breaking up with, who I was falling in love with, where not a tuning fork. You just hold a tuning fork and it's just pure raw vibration. [01:07:15] Jacob: And I see them as keys to the kingdom. When Jesus gave Peter the keys or David played the keys that drove the evil things from Saul called the keys of David, I believe the Sopesia were the keys and that's why the church took them out by the 17th century because it was the key to open us from mankind to godankind, our own identity as the divine made individualized in the human story. [01:07:45] David: Wow. Wow. Okay. Um, what is Yeah, I know. I feel like I've sparked with so many fascinating questions, man. Amazing. Uh, what are the what are the tuning forks made out of actually? What's what is the material? Uh, they're mostly alloy, which is very important because there's a lot of cheap ones out there that are tiny and they're not alloy. But alloy actually came from another planet. So, it's one of the most strong wonderful things for pure vibration that there is in my research of that. So, it's very important. We had the best. Uh we paid a little bit more. We were more expensive than others. And others have got China's got a bunch of them now. Now when I started was there's very few of us that had it, but now they're everywhere. You can get them from other countries, but they are so cheaply tiny. Uh whatever. So you want the best uh I think which is alloy, [01:08:37] Jacob: Right? Yeah. I'm sure at this point if you hear a cheap one, it probably really spins out to you. Like Yeah, definitely. Um I well so I would also love to ask a little bit more about um the spiritual community that you live in. Um just for a for a quick intro on that. My curiosity comes from um I've been a meditator for probably eight years now and I've had an opportunity to go to a good handful of meditation retreats and I just I just love them. I mean they're just who doesn't love meditation retreat, right? But um just being around so many people where you can have spiritual discussions and you're kind of away from the hustle and bustle and you know typically when I'd go on a retreat it's you know I've I'm on some sort of vacation from work so I've set aside that time so it has that to it of course too but um I would love to just kind of like learn more about your spiritual community and kind of like what life is like for you guys there. [01:09:25] David: Yeah. Uh Heartlight Spiritual Center uh if anybody's interested to check it out it's heartlightsharlotte.org. or um we have a beautiful place. Uh I took it over eight years ago. I was brought in as a speaker and the minister said, "You just got to come here and be a part of this. We want you." And so I moved from Columbus, Ohio to Charlotte and it did not work well working together. It was just didn't work out. So she bowed out and I ended up with it. And so I redid the whole place and redid everything and started over again and made it Heartlight Spiritual Center. Uh it's uh we have Sunday morning services at 11:00. It's a very diverse group of people. Uh everything is diverse, the music is diverse, the teachings are diverse, and a lot goes on there. That's wonderful. I do a Wednesday morning class every Wednesday. Uh we do chiong and uh we do that. We also just built an oasis with a heart-shaped labyrinth tent uh meditation gardens and whatever. And so there's just a lot of my teachings on there. If anybody's interested in heartlightsharlotte.org, you can get all my all my videos and things like that there. But I'm really trying to direct people to the uh spiritual awakening academy for spiritual awakening because that's where the teachings are that I'm trying to leave as my legacy. Uh I just turned 80 years old and uh great for [01:11:07] Jacob: Thank you. And for 64 years I'm like thinking, you know, things in the next year or two may change and I want to settle down and probably just do work online. Uh, I want to get my own podcast. By the way, how you like this name of podcast? From sin to Zen. Oh, I like it. I like that. That's good. I think. Yeah. [01:11:27] David: Yeah. From Zin to Zen. So, uh, that's kind of my plan. And so, I want to leave this legacy of all my major teachings that I have on the academy. And there's a lot on there that's free that people can get if they want to check it out. Okay. Uh, that'd be great. And we'll give you all that information. So, you'll [01:11:45] Jacob: Yeah, you'll have that if you'd like. Anybody uh anybody listening right now or watching know that those links are down below. I've included those in the bio so they can just click on those. Wonderful. Thank you so much for that. I appreciate it. Yeah, of course. Um okay. Well, so here's a here's a strange question for you. What do you have to So if someone is interested in your academy, what would be kind of your elevator pitch on it? Like say they didn't know much about you and they hadn't just listened to this whole conversation between us. what is it and what do you have to sell, you know? [01:12:01] David: Well, first of all, again, it's my legacy and I think that people who are on a path I've been I've been there. So, I think they'll find their where they are on the academy. So, I want to support them where they are. Maybe they're not. Uh, you know, I have some pretty far out stuff on the academy, but maybe it's somebody that's just come out of religion and the church and they're still wrestling with some of the dogma that's still in them that they haven't quite figured out. Maybe they stay I don't believe in hell, but deep down they're wondering, well, maybe is there still one? So, I'm trying to give people the knowledge to understand because the truth will make them free, right? And sometimes people say they're free, but they've come out of religion, but religion hadn't come out of them. So before you get into chakras and you get into this deeper uh it's very stuff I'm talking about, you might find yourself there that some people are way down the line somewhere. So there's something for them. So, I'm kind of leading my footsteps that I've taken that maybe others might find a way that I can be a blessing to them because I didn't sometimes have anybody. Some of the things I've been a real pioneer. I'm a true Sagittarian, but I am a pioneer. I've just gone out there with nobody to support me, nobody to say, "Yay, you're right." or whatever. I've just launched it. And so I think it's important if you stop and think about uh interstates at one time they were just pathways and they were dirt roads and they were but thank God for those who went before us and made a way so we can do things easier. And that's my desire of the academy that people will find it easier to grow and to mature and to get some maybe answers to some of the questions that they still have that's holding them back. [01:12:01] Jacob: Yeah. Yeah. Brilliant. Wow. That's so good. Yeah. It reminds me I have this um this line from a poem that's uh like leader a leader catches cobwebs in his mouth and says nothing. And then I was also thinking about um like you were saying you're a pioneer. Oftentimes I feel myself I resonate with that a little bit. Um I call myself a bulldozer sometimes, you know, not in a derogatory way, but yeah, sometimes I do feel like I'm out there with a machete and I'm just like I don't really know exactly where I'm headed, but I got to trust it and you'll see. I think I think we'll see, you know. Um, yeah. So, I think there's people at the edges that are trying to like guide people into something that intuitively feels right for them. And I really I really like what you said about, you know, they'll find something on their path within all this all these years of work and all this information, this wealth of knowledge that you have to offer. Uh, I think it's pretty likely to say there's probably something in there for anybody who's kind of poking their head into this. [01:14:18] David: All my books are on there. You can get my books. You There's just a lot of things to look at. So, anybody just interested there's kind of a free uh thing of samples that they can they can just check it out and see may you know maybe it's for me, maybe I should know more, maybe not. So, [01:14:18] Jacob: Yeah. Yeah. Well, amazing. Uh we are getting up here in time, David. Um I will again I'll include all of those links and everything down below and everybody will know where to where to find you and they can stay in touch with you if they'd like to. Um, as we turn the corner and we um we come to turn the page, I wanted to ask you if there's anything that feels left unsaid, is there anything at the tip of your tongue or anything that you kind of wanted to mention today that comes up that you'd like to throw in? [01:15:45] David: Yeah. Well, if we ever do this again, I'd like to get on contracts and agreements made previously to your incarnation because there's a great uh activation going on right now of contracts. we have forgotten that we have made that's going to change and transform people's lives. So that's uh an area that I think people can understand more what's happening to me. You know, I'm sure that old caterpillar goes, "What in the world is going on here?" You know, I've been nibbling on this leaf and now there's I've eaten all my resources. I have nowhere to go. But what's happening inside of me? I don't know what's happening. And I think people don't understand what's happening to them. And they're not victims to God. They're not victims to it. They've already uh co-architect this change that we're going through. It's already in them. We've just forgotten it. But I think that it is time that some of these things when I work with individuals uh I will find out that uh I had somebody last week and I found out that in October of 2027 a new contract is going to be activated in them that they made that's going to change their entire life and the trajectory of their world. Get ready for it because you're in for some real changes of direction that's getting ready to happen to you. So, um, that's kind of what would be on my mind for another time maybe or something like that. We could [01:15:45] Jacob: Yeah, I know. I'm I don't want to invite us into another 30 minutes of contracts, but now I'm now I'm really interested. Um, uh, oh, I will leave it up to the listener to explore more on what contracts sparks with that if they can find more info in your work. Um, wow. This has been great. So great talking. Yeah, likewise. Thank you again so much for your time, David. Um, this was so great and honestly, you know, just thank you for your work. Thank you for your life's work. This is really cool stuff. This is um, like I said, you know, I'm really drawn to kind of these that in between that bridge, you know, um, I love learning about it. I love um, talking having these conversations with people about it. And so um, yeah, just thank you for your work, man. This is awesome. [01:17:28] David: Oh, you're welcome. I'm appreciate what you're doing to give us a platform to be on here and uh you're a great a great voice that's out there and there's so many right now that are joining and to Yeah. the voice to awaken so many people that are ready. [01:18:14] Jacob: Yeah. Yeah. I uh as I say probably too much on this podcast, but as Rome says, we're all just walking each other home. That's right. I like that. Yeah. Yeah. So, um All right, man. Well, um let me let me end this recording. Uh listeners, love yourself. Drink some water. As I always say, if you haven't drank any water today, come on. What are you doing, man? Stretch a little bit. Yep. Hydrate. Stretch. Love yourself. And uh click down below. Check out more of David's work. David's work. And uh we'll see you next time. Hello and welcome to the Junkyard Love. [01:18:45] David: Hey, everything's going to be all right. [01:18:48] Jacob: It's all good. It's all good.