The Junkyard Love Podcast Episode 033 with Andy of Team Banzai

[00:00:05] Andy: We're tracking

[00:00:08] Jacob: Tracking he I was just thinking that the

[00:00:11] Andy: The song mask off by future is gonna just come be super popular again yeah like we will

[00:00:19] Jacob: It'll probably become the number-one hit when all this blows over but I mean I guess the course is about Molly's and percocets but mask off will be an appropriate term

[00:00:29] Andy: We were talking about how it's like we

[00:00:32] Jacob: Both have our own versions of masks right now we're at with the COVID thing but it might be like a super normal thing for all of America to just be wearing masks in one month it'll be the

[00:00:44] Andy: Latest fashion accessory yeah you'll be

[00:00:47] Jacob: Seeing you know the I mean there already are babe and off-white because of Asia but you'll be seeing the Gucci and Louis

[00:00:54] Andy: Vuitton and the yes all those brands

[00:00:57] Jacob: Making I have I have like these the Amazon knockoff version of something that looks like the target version of babe so I'm a few levels down but I luckily a much as much of a street where F boy that I have it's not it's not babe

[00:01:16] Andy: Spelled BAE P like you'd get I thought it was babe well no like it is babe it's be ap not be a EP oh right yeah yeah it's a babe is actually it's Bathing Ape unit a bathe a Bathing Ape yeah what an interesting thing that's like one of the more popular brands and that's their name I mean good on them oh

[00:01:38] Jacob: Yeah I mean and then they have Baby Milo

[00:01:41] Andy: The there's a little mascot isn't that

[00:01:45] Jacob: What it's called the kids store is is they have do we live in a video game is this i don't I don't know might we might live in a video game and I think so I'm all aboard it feels like a video game lately cuz so what are we doing right now we are at there's a courting

[00:02:02] Andy: Studio we are we're at Black Diamond recording studios in Portland Oregon yes

[00:02:07] Jacob: We are doing a socially distant yet not

[00:02:10] Andy: Podcast experience yes because it's more fun to be doing this in person than over shitty webcam and when you're in recording studio and you're using a core webcam microphone

[00:02:23] Jacob: That does not it doesn't equate well at

[00:02:26] Andy: All to what we are and what we're

[00:02:29] Jacob: Capable of doing yeah so what this one has to be impressive it has to be impressive and if you're not impressed by the sound quality you can be impressed by the content of what we're about to be talking about oh man now there's a lot of pressure so much I don't know we're just gonna get ready to disappoint okay here comes the disappointment all right that's it for see you later goodbye have a good night No so this this is cool that we're doing this it's just like it's such a weird time that's like what we've been talking about the last hour is just it's a confusing weird time it's hard to know what to do and how to do it in like when

[00:03:12] Andy: You email people right now it seems different and weird when you text people it seems different than weird like conducting businesses we are driving is where everything is just supervise everything is it's changed I had I had to take my dog to the vet and you drop it drop the animal off and it's curbside pickup for your vet appointment it seems brutal yeah it's weird

[00:03:34] Jacob: Yeah that's like the drive-in vet yeah

[00:03:37] Andy: You go out honey you're fine yeah it's

[00:03:40] Jacob: Like here go make some friends go with the stranger I'm just gonna hand you out the car window and yeah see you in a bit what others should do you think is gonna be but what other **** is different what other stuff have you experienced that's different so far mmm not being able to I mean not being able to like just go out and go like shopping or browsing or like anything like Helms like I live in downtown so just walking around downtown like you can still go out and walk but it's desolate do you feel like you're breaking the law when you're out walking no more than I

[00:04:21] Andy: Normally do breaking the law yeah I was we were at a we went to Fred Meyer like to go shopping and that didn't seem super weird like it is weird seeing the empty shelves but then just kind of out of habit we got to where it starts like had they have clothes and furniture and we're like and we're just like kind of walking down that way and we're like ah wait well thought this feels weird let's turn around and just go home yeah it's like it's like why we don't need to be going and going shopping at IKEA right like that we don't we don't need a detail well although a lot of people are probably going shopping at IKEA to get some desks to assembly and there yeah home offices some standup desks and all that other yes everyone's working from

[00:05:02] Jacob: Home working from home less you're one

[00:05:05] Andy: Of the lucky few who isn't who isn't

[00:05:09] Jacob: Well so working in solitude and like introverted style of working as something that you know very well yeah I

[00:05:17] Andy: Know I know pretty well myself so how has how is like work changed for you lately and actually we can probably bring that right into kind of an introduction maybe give a little bit of your background if you'd like to so they know who they're talking to

[00:05:34] Jacob: Sure seamless

[00:05:40] Andy: They won't even suspect it they probably won't no not at all we didn't just have

[00:05:46] Jacob: A complete technical malfunction we've never had one in her life no not at all engineers are perfect yep let's see

[00:05:57] Andy: Alright so the video is recording video

[00:06:00] Jacob: Part 2 so now you'll be able to you know edit it all together and all that stuff cuz you know we didn't have any technical difficulties and I'm going to continually make sure that we don't have any more technical difficulties just have a little glance Mac ones yeah just a little glance Ipoh here there so

[00:06:18] Andy: Back to solitary confinement and living

[00:06:22] Jacob: A life of loneliness and computers in

[00:06:26] Andy: Despair and despair because that's what

[00:06:28] Jacob: We were talking about so working in

[00:06:33] Andy: Solitude is nice actually now we've been

[00:06:37] Jacob: We've been trying to stay relatively

[00:06:40] Andy: Busy I have a lot of remote work and stuff that I have to have to do which is nice with my clients but aside from that it's

[00:06:55] Jacob: Pretty much very like slow yeah cuz I'll be slow and it's just weird it's just weird it's just like what like we're waiting for whatever we're supposed to be doing next but we still don't really know what that's going to be so it's hard to prepare for it at the same time yup it's weird it's weird cuz no one knows exactly what's gonna be happening in a month from now I mean you

[00:07:21] Andy: Know shows are cancelled bars are

[00:07:26] Jacob: Cancelled strip clubs are cancelled Coachella's

[00:07:31] Andy: Postponed Coachella is cancelled

[00:07:35] Jacob: Crumbles on ground and cries actually I did enjoy Coachella I've been a couple times it is fun but I don't think they don't you know again I don't I don't know after this whole thing yeah it's just that's the other thing is like our people it's you're gonna go to a music festival and everyone's gonna have like a lot of space in between each other can I mean that sounds actually really nice ma what is a mosh pit

[00:07:59] Andy: We just bring back we'd have amps guard

[00:08:02] Jacob: Here allowed those the totems like ECAM totems but you can bring your amps guard weapons you get the moshing oh man that would be actually so cool like imagine if you're listening to your favorite artists but you also get to just beat the crap out of people you don't know with like it's LARPing but replacing the

[00:08:25] Andy: Market so working in quarantine I don't think we got your background on this take so do you want to provide they

[00:08:35] Jacob: Listeners with a bit of your background my name is Andy

[00:08:40] Andy: I'ma recording engineer and music producer and geek nerd weird oh I work at Black Diamond recording studios in Portland Oregon I've been doing it for about 7 years here but doing audio stuff since I was like 10 and yeah that pretty much sums up my

[00:09:05] Jacob: Life story see yeah that's it that's it for listening see you later now you know everything about me yep okay going back to when you were 10 years old what first kind of like got you interested in all this stuff it

[00:09:18] Andy: Probably have to be when I was messing around with my dad's old hi-fi and reel-to-reel tape machine and that kind of stuff we would spend hours tracking

[00:09:29] Jacob: Vinyls to cassettes because that was the way to listen to music at the time you didn't have Spotify oh yeah Spotify in

[00:09:38] Andy: The 90s the early 90s yeah the only green logo was LimeWire was LimeWire

[00:09:44] Jacob: Even though yeah

[00:09:48] Andy: She's white - yeah I think that was LimeWire was like I was in - why high

[00:09:53] Jacob: School middle school so yeah like early 2000s right so you were like 19 like I

[00:10:01] Andy: Want to say LimeWire was probably like 99 2000 2001 that generation yeah I feel like it was right around that within those three years was definitely like the peak LimeWire yeah I would bet my the will of my dog and what was DC plus

[00:10:18] Jacob: Plus his net what else were there those were so like let all seek soul Sica still a thing where the rest of these

[00:10:29] Andy: Places I'm not promoting piracy we don't

[00:10:33] Jacob: Condone that on this radio program here I remember I've never pirated a thing in my life you know we're not DJs we've never downloaded a song off the Napster's what do deejays even do who have never was none of those mp3s that people talk about we get everything on the classic CD from the local Walmart yeah we buy so that's what a DJ does if you didn't know listener if they go down to Walmart and they get the edited version sometimes not and they burn it to their CD player and then on to their computer after the CD player and then and there's a huge step process you know where it hits the computer you got to make sure it's clean duty nowadays though is so weird if you think about it I might be I'm rubbing against that hardcore it's just an insane thing cuz for one of my gigs you have to you have to do like ultra school clean and so you can't dip into like it yes it's not explicit does have cuss words but it's just saying vulgar crazy **** that you can't hear oh yeah it's it when people ask me for a clean version of a song I'm sitting there like oh ****

[00:11:37] Andy: There's a lot words that you say that

[00:11:41] Jacob: They're questionable and like themes too not just words it's like themes it's like I mean you technically didn't cuss but like but you said it's sucking on my yeah so I don't know if you can talk about is there anything since sucking on that's like school appropriate to say I don't think so even sucking on a lollipop will be taken wrong it's a weird world I wonder if I kind of like revamp cuss words at some point they've got it like we're just ignoring the fact that cuss words have just evolved into cooler crazy full sentences now yeah and

[00:12:13] Andy: There's so many like nuances behind like **** when you say **** there's just it's a nuanced word it's it should be okay to say there's so many layers to it I know and it's it seems like depending on where you go like people will give a **** about one thing and not give a **** about another like you go

[00:12:33] Jacob: To Australia and you're up and **** and they're like oh yeah you can say whatever the **** you want on TVs think about **** - the word ****

[00:12:41] Andy: Yeah like around here it makes like a lot of people listening probably got super uncomfortable they're just like what and we're like it's the British we're talk about the British meaning yeah did you not hear my yeah my British yeah he's not sound like the British version I don't know it just it sounded like you might have said cheeky **** but maybe you've met the American one and it was like a weird insult but I don't I don't know humans are so simple in complex in the same exact way because of situations like that why can't we all just be like oh okay they say it over there and it doesn't hurt anybody why don't we just listen why does it hurt people here I mean there's certain things that yes it's nuanced that you definitely don't want to talk about but then there's other things where it's like yeah that's a cuss word that what

[00:13:24] Jacob: Yeah like who said that's a bad way okay I guess we gotta follow those rules yeah especially like with songs and art and that kind of thing that's just kind of like okay I remember I had to DJ for a event in Utah and it had to be in an entirely clean DJ set do you know how hard that **** is I do I do that a lot but it's different tough it's hard and like you're even like going back to like all these some oldies you're like this is kind of questionable what they're talking about they're using like weird words like oh like a chubby Whoopi's and stuff and you're like it's trouble you always mad can i dad are like subject matter it's like this is real creeper like talking about having a

[00:14:08] Andy: Girl like kissing you on the hand and all this other **** you're like hell lay **** like how old is the girl in this song yeah like what's his name ****

[00:14:17] Jacob: Uh Conway Twitty that dude all of

[00:14:21] Andy: His songs are just the like they don't

[00:14:25] Jacob: Age well at all like yikes yeah it's pretty gnarly it's pretty not there's a lot of music that's not like really gonna age well do you do you remember can you think back to your first gig like audio anything was it DJ

[00:14:41] Andy: Gig was that your first gig Oh like

[00:14:45] Jacob: Paying gig or first gig because there's we got to hear both because if you volunteered for your first one first one first technical one was

[00:14:55] Andy: Running the sound board for my middle

[00:14:58] Jacob: School at some sort of events that was like the like I was probably what 11 ish was like the first like this is a job you have to perform then it's not just **** around with stuff and that was pretty probably the first gig quote-on-quote that I had to do my first

[00:15:20] Andy: Paying one was I was DJing a friend's

[00:15:25] Jacob: House party and he ended up paying me for it because the night went well mm-hmm held Rhea you remember I was under 18 1516 yeah I was like I think I was 16

[00:15:40] Andy: You remember what you played dude it was

[00:15:45] Jacob: 2004 five so lots of like early French

[00:15:53] Andy: House stuff like justice and Daft Punk and mmhmm like yeah like I think it was

[00:16:01] Jacob: Yeah that was around the time I think I think just that justice that either just released we are your friends or it was a right before that whole blog house

[00:16:11] Andy: Started coming up yeah I was like FX

[00:16:15] Jacob: Twin dong I couldn't like a bunch of house artists that I'm trying to remember but they're like a lot of one-offs I had a lot of vinyl and they were like from house labels that may or may not still exist so did you bring your crates and everything what was your setup oh yeah I had like I had my very first DJ set up that was like a proper DJ setup was to Denon DNS 1000s which I

[00:16:40] Andy: Still own and then the mixer the tiny

[00:16:47] Jacob: Little mixer and then is it that thousand or one hundred I don't remember these tiny little CDJs that words they were they did the job yet they weren't fancy at all and then I had some Staunton turntables good old Stan belt driven turntables and those are what I learned to be match on which were horrible to learn on they were the worst till **** learn how to beat match on don't if you ever want to learn how to spin vinyl don't use belt driven turntables get direct drive technics are similar yes you will have a bad time yeah I don't even know how to like I've been a DJ for so many years but it's such a different time and it's such like a different corner of DJing like because there's so many different facets of DJing oh yeah like you have your

[00:17:34] Andy: What your festival DJ your I hope your

[00:17:38] Jacob: Bedroom DJ your club DJ that's like the weekend warrior club DJ you yes you know that laughs anyway that library not lately though yeah same I've been there done that um and then you have like the wedding DJ

[00:17:54] Andy: You also know that very well

[00:17:57] Jacob: What else the turntable is table

[00:18:02] Andy: Lists and then you have like the

[00:18:04] Jacob: Radio DJ typical more like an emcee at that point right some are still technically disc jockeys and then you

[00:18:13] Andy: Have like the producer who then becomes a DJ who sucks the DJing right yes I was talking about that I had mr. Carmack like I love that dude he's such a Geo mr. cravaack is yeah he's a couple thing man he's I really like his stuff he's very original when like I really like him as a producer but uh I don't know I remember maybe it was just the experience that I had one or two experiences that festivals were he just like mixing between two songs

[00:18:40] Jacob: Sounded really mad for whatever reason I'm like man you shit's so good just take a little extra time and learn to actually DJ it but yeah it could have been the one-off festivals there's a there's a lot of that I've seen I mean like a great counter to that in

[00:18:55] Andy: Like Calvin Harris isn't really **** awesome DJ and a really good producer and then you have like people like

[00:19:01] Jacob: Tiesto who at one point I think produced

[00:19:06] Andy: His music maybe not as much anymore I

[00:19:09] Jacob: Don't know there's Tiesto a construct I made

[00:19:14] Andy: Possibly he's just like what is it he's just like slash it's just a figment of the imagination okay he could be I've seen him a couple times I think that every time I've seen Tiesto it's been quite an enjoyable set but I think that I was in the situation just like he's a decent DJ right I just its

[00:19:34] Jacob: Productions have been varied over the

[00:19:37] Andy: Years right he's like a whole brand like a whole well he was he was the highest-paid DJ in the world for many

[00:19:46] Jacob: Moons right see that's until a certain point that's so weird to think about because highest-paid DJ like that word is just

[00:19:54] Andy: Used for 70 million things yeah I've been a producer yeah think it was like he was the highest-paid disc jockey who's like the touring kind of almost festival like because I mean like he always has those giant ass shows in Amsterdam and Europe and like all the big gas techno shows and stuff like that it's a damn good time oh yeah I'm **** I really wanted to go to one of those but hey no that'll be yeah it might be another six months before we're allowed 50 people at a time in one place glorious so we'll see about that okay so from your first show what was your DJ life unfolding like after like the next couple years you were 20s or so area what did life lead you did - Japan moved to Japan helped a lot because you know they don't card so I was like 18 years

[00:20:47] Jacob: 17 18 I was no I was 18 yeah I was 18 years old working at a

[00:20:53] Andy: Couple bars and nightclubs DJing like regularly and it was like it was a college town so they have active nightlife and active thing and because I was like one of the foreigner DJ's I was playing the music that you know wasn't the most like popular yet I should say

[00:21:13] Jacob: Because it seemed like everything in pop

[00:21:16] Andy: Culture in the West was still a little bit of a delay like even though we had the internet and all that other stuff it still was like to keep to reach the masses to where it's like oh everyone knows this song now it'd still be like two three months maybe right like and so like my friend would send me a song it's like he's like this is the banger that's **** happening here like what was it was the one that came out that I knew was like gonna be **** massive there it was out in the state you uh Rihanna

[00:21:48] Jacob: Umbrella they dropped that and like I

[00:21:52] Andy: Think this single came out in the States and I heard it and I was like oh yeah that's good that's gonna be **** everywhere mmm and sure enough **** two months later that was like the **** hit that's the song everyone was requesting and all that other stuff man Boo Radley yeah yeah and so like it was like that was that was a things like I would be playing that kind of stuff compared to the home the home town days who were and and the other thing was I would play a varied set and my parties are always varied that was the one big difference compared to like here and over there was

[00:22:29] Jacob: A lot of the clubs were very specific

[00:22:32] Andy: Genre oriented or like themed or it was awarded they were they were the Knights they would have specific nights for theme night yeah theme nights but that was the norm it wasn't and they weren't like theme nights per se it would just be like that's the DJ so unlike here where you have like 80s night and like that kinda thing where people dress up and do all that you'd be like no it's looks like this is the techno party group this is the house party group

[00:22:59] Jacob: This is 90s hip-hop aficionado group

[00:23:02] Andy: This is the like crazy reggaeton like

[00:23:06] Jacob: Big speaker toting guy group which those were actually the most fun parties because they would like we already have a giant sound system they would card in the sound system like twice the size notion tiny Club and it would just be a wall of just bass yo it was awesome we

[00:23:24] Andy: Got so many complaints because we weren't the only business in that building and they would feel it those nights like their glasses and stuff would be shaking it would be pretty awesome but yeah like that and I started just DJing a bunch of different like random part like parties at bars and like it was a lot of really small like dive bars and stuff like just that was what I was playing first or the dive bar is like way different over there oh yeah and then here oh yeah I mean a dive bar here like what's what do you when you picture dive bar in Portland OR dive bar in general dive bar to me seems more of like kind of like an older person's place like bikers sort of thing like I don't know just like maybe playing that country sort of music I think that I would picture my head okay see so for me a dive bar is like a tiny bar like where

[00:24:15] Jacob: It's like narrow not a lot of space program like city block type stuff so like the two or like one of those type of places in Portland like would be to me it's like a dive bar okay and I'd be playing a lot of places like that but the dive bars would be really small and I'm talking

[00:24:33] Andy: Like some one place I played at most

[00:24:36] Jacob: Including myself and the bartender it could fit like six people in a row it was like a it was like a closet VIP yeah and he just wanted me to play some house tracks like that's it I was like okay cool a notice one gig and then I had I had another one where this dude was like he was taught me and one of my Japanese friends one of my Korean buddies who was also there in college with me who are all DJs they were like he was like he booked all of us to play this night he's like it's gonna be a great huge party blah this no one showed up no one showed up and I didn't do any promoting for it cuz I was like okay whatever if you're like you pay me to be the DJ I'll show up and he he had no one show up like it I was sitting there playing to him the bartender who looked pissed off and I

[00:25:27] Jacob: Think the dudes girlfriend and so it's like okay cool well I'm not getting paid but I'm just gonna be playing practicing for an hour in front of an empty room and so like it'd be like there was a lot but a surprising amount of gigs like that but then I'd also have events where if I threw one of my parties I'd have 500 600 people and through the night and like then when I moved back to the states I like I was like yeah I could I got in like met up with a couple

[00:25:53] Andy: People who were throwing house parties and I was like cool I want to DJ I have a PA system and all this other stuff already like yeah I am equipped ready cool let's do the mobile parties let's go and that's kind of what happened was I would go down to Eugene and I did one really cool block party in Corrales um but I would go down to Eugene and up to Portland when I moved back from Japan and DJ college parties and stuff like

[00:26:22] Jacob: That my was it playing a lot different

[00:26:25] Andy: Music like when he came back over from Japan like when I would play more techno and stuff over there surprisingly no I got back here I started to play more what I wanted to play rather than playing to a crowd playing for a crowd because when I was playing at the club's there I needed to keep people in the building hmm and that's a big difference right if

[00:26:46] Jacob: I'm playing a house party I don't care yeah if you're there like to play whatever you want and I like my paycheck does not depend on keeping y'all in the building yeah for real that kind of thing and so that's and so I would just I started just playing whatever I wanted and doing my own thing and then that's when I had my own music partner Charlie we started

[00:27:07] Andy: Team Banzai and we were doing like our

[00:27:11] Jacob: Own remixes and stuff which those got

[00:27:14] Andy: Surprisingly popular and then long story short he went off and did his own thing and I continued on doing team bonsai with a couple of my other buddies but it's just a small thing now yeah not a Mane not a main gig I can say with DJing and production like in that realm where it's like trying to go out and be that DJ producer combo aware right I'm making making all the music than playing the live shows and doing that the touring thing is like I like that idea but it's also kind of like everyone and their mothers trying to do that now right yeah this festival DJ got the Rockstar

[00:27:55] Jacob: Movement and so you get the guys like Steve Aoki mmm DJ snake dude I just it's a it's a circus kind of like it's a like everybody's I called you I can get that number one festival slaughter like everybody's like trying to go for this we're also like well it not now but the

[00:28:15] Andy: There's so many festivals that just mmm

[00:28:19] Jacob: Pop up fire festival yeah like all of that old that like anybody can make a festival that's a black example like yeah it'd be like you know like the other year I was looking at that stuff to just see what was happening around Oregon in the summer and there was like the what they Eugene what the country fest of old was a big country fair down their country oh yeah the organ country in the organ isn't fair or the yeah I think it's the organ country I can't remember off the top of my head but that one and then there was like four they're like small raves that happened out and like the hood area coast like other music and then there was that one that caused a whole bunch of traffic over the hood area that a couple years ago like the illegal one yeah I definitely went to that well oh wait I was either friends with the ones who did that one because there was a lot of those going on around here like gig sessions and stuff yeah yeah I remember there being a one big like illegal one that was kind of out toward Eastern Oregon yeah and so there was it's just to me it's like if

[00:29:31] Jacob: You're gonna do the festival it's like Coachella makes sense mm-hmm where you have big artists

[00:29:37] Andy: Big-ass space multiple days like money is dumped into that what yeah but if you have like the touring festivals or like other stuff like that it's kind of like hey don't get me wrong

[00:29:51] Jacob: Ultra looks awesome right but it's like

[00:29:54] Andy: What eight ultras yeah I know I know it's want to go to like this Center one I feel like good like the big one but I know I think an immersive festival is so much different than so like what the fest the effort organ that was way different than EDC or Coachella I don't know there's a lot of different kind of festivals yeah I mean you only

[00:30:17] Jacob: That Burning Man the classic have you done Burning Man no I am NOT a burner not a burner I are you know I've never done it I think that like a couple years ago I would have done it but now I have this like everybody else does it so I don't want to do it I'm like next level trying to stay above the hipsters I think I just don't want sand in my urethra oh my god dude it seems kind

[00:30:41] Andy: Of miserable in that aspect like I just I just it feels like it's like cool you once sand in every orifice of your body and all on all your **** and it don't blow around yeah like I had to repair a buddy of mine speaker that he brought down to Burning Man in like did you open to open it up and it's just fill with dust like I feel like a Jumanji movie pretty much yeah you're just like what how did it get in here this is the sealed box so going back to Team Banzai that's what you do producing lies now it's kind of I was like pointing out because I think for non creators they don't really think about it but it's almost like alter egos you walk around with like I like I have interviews on of like people in bands people who are producers people who have like companies people who are rappers but they're like they're like oh I'm coming to you as this name like my Mandy but also unless I'm in this situation I'm also team bonsai yeah like going into different situations you kind of have to plan it out as well so I think

[00:31:43] Jacob: Before when I first started doing team bonsai I treated it that way yeah and it got really annoying and I felt like I was a bit pompous where it's like well I'm the artist blah right and after working in recording studio and stuff and dealing with many different walks of life it's also kind of like I've kind of taken it back where it's like yeah I do I do produce and I kind of keep it now on the back length on the down low where

[00:32:11] Andy: It's not like that's my main thing that is what I that it's my identity because there's a lot of users who do that let's talk to it's like I'm a producer but this is what I do but well like so they're all about it and I'm good on you it's awesome but I also kind of like

[00:32:26] Jacob: Cool there's a whole bunch of other **** that goes on that makes a person like me right yeah and if you take that and put it into your productions and it's like awesome so a lot of my buddies who are also producers like it seems like they do it as a hobby but they're like hobby also happens to make them money when

[00:32:43] Andy: They do it rather than like trying to go for it as their only thing and not succeeding we're like putting all their eggs in one basket nice being a producer because the reality of it is not everyone's going to be able to make money doing it right and if you are **** yeah but that's the thing if you can you can do like what you're doing and feed into it all feeds into everything you can utilize the skill set that comes with producing for other stuff works really well like I use my production skills that when I have to when doing a recording like oh hey maybe try playing

[00:33:19] Jacob: It differently or doing it this way and

[00:33:22] Andy: Maybe this is a bit more musical because

[00:33:25] Jacob: Maybe which happens a lot people aren't fully prepared when coming into the studio so they're trying out a couple different ideas that kind of thing a few type beats you know that kind of thing where you've got the lyrics written but you've gotten a written to five or six different beats so mm-hmm we're gonna sing five or six different versions of the song and see which one sounds the best hey sometimes that's the best way to get an idea how I sometimes it's just having other people here it is they're like oh dude number four was like by far the best exactly and

[00:33:56] Andy: That's and that's one thing that I have to stress to people who do come into the studio cuz it's not all like you come in

[00:34:05] Jacob: You get an awesome thing right off the bat like yeah you can come to a big studio but if you're not putting down awesome stuff to begin with or cool stuff to begin with you're gonna get not cool stuff coming out of it you just that's what happens and so you can only do so much studio magic and when people come in and they're like they don't have the option at home to play back or they're not tech savvy enough to like record on their phone over the beat with their voice and have that kind of instant feedback so they can hear oh I actually need to be more on time or oh I need to do this or oh this does not sound good like cuz it sounded way different in my head that's usually the cases it's what

[00:34:47] Andy: You hear in your head and what comes out of your mouth are totally different always yeah I feel like our life is just trying to communicate what's in our head to out here yes exactly and then my part of my job is trying to get what people what's in people's heads out into a form that they can hear back yeah when they're using just like make it go boom yeah you're like what

[00:35:08] Jacob: Yeah make it make it what make okay or if they're or if they know a little bit and they don't know the correct terminology so they're trying to explain something and it's like an explanation that I'd have no idea and it's that it's like oh you want a delay cool that was my Bennett explanation to explain an echo e-type sound that you heard before right that kind of thing yeah that's the communication this stuff is so like it's such a language of its own it's just like you know a mathematician is gonna know a lot of like birds around linear algebra and you know physics stuff exactly they're gonna be able to explain it in that way yeah and so uses utilizing the production side with the recording engineers side like really does help and I suggest

[00:35:53] Andy: Anyone who is a producer or producing to also look into the actual recording engineer side because you'll be able to Make better sounding stuff that's the one thing I see with a lot of younger producers who are really talented like they can come up with really **** cool ideas and concepts sound design and that kind of stuff but when you hear their mix it's like this sounds like **** yeah like whoa like okay cool I like how it's all written like what sonically it sounds like just bad like it sounds a MIDI I don't want to say amateur it just sounds you know thin no bass right no like you can tell that it's just they don't know how to mix so now listen what to listen for and but they know how to like create a song because that's an entirely different realm yeah writing and composing a song and actually making it sound good two entirely separate things yeah people kind of need to realize with when you do do a big studio type stuff or when you do produce something is that you have to really like spend the time doing all that the pre stuff before you even come into the studio because all the studio does is make whatever ideas you have

[00:37:08] Andy: Into like a playback of old form right and then you can use it you then you can work with it and make it sound good and mix it yeah it mix it and do all that but you have to have the content first

[00:37:20] Jacob: And that's one thing that it seems has escaped a lot of people hmm nowadays because of the instantaneous

[00:37:29] Andy: Instant gratification right like oh I see my favorite artist doing this or oh I just needed load of beaten I can hop into the booth and just go and it's like maybe you can I have seen people do it and it's impressive his **** right but not everyone is like that yeah you definitely it's definitely a difference when you get somebody who rolls in like prepared it's definitely a different vibe like I like it like you've had a homey in here when I'm we've been in here and it's just like alright I'm ready I got these songs I got this memorized I'm ready you ready like you can just get so much more work done yeah when you're and pee and you know what you need to get done yeah I know what you like are your end the goal is it's not like a question mark like oh what will we get done today it's like you know we're getting this and this and this done today right and I already know what I have to say and if you do need to change something up it's usually very minimal mm-hmm and so and that's that's one thing is that you see a lot

[00:38:26] Jacob: Of that nowadays compared to when I

[00:38:29] Andy: Started working with certain artists they would be a lot more like ready to go and then the big difference and that is it's the how you people perceive the

[00:38:42] Jacob: End results and what like okay how they perceive the end result and they don't have a concept of what actually went in to get that end result just like really what I'm trying to think of a good example like the infomercial type thing where you see the you see the end result before like you see the whole process to get the end result they're like we've already done this before and here it is right yeah I mean I kind of get it with DJing when someone's like I'm in the middle of you know something at whatever bpm and I'm in this corner

[00:39:13] Andy: Of my mix and this key and I'm trying to get to this vibe within thirty minutes and then someone's like you play this song right now like as they just see like the end outcome like all you do is play music like someone you can't come to Studio B like you just you put my voice over and make it sounds yes p. m. the bar just opened play the beggars play the bangus yeah

[00:39:32] Jacob: People's expectations are sometimes

[00:39:35] Andy: Fooled we have such a like there's the

[00:39:38] Jacob: Bedroom producers is such like a cool interesting world now you know it's really is an exciting thing like so many cool things at people's fingertips like you grew up mess with all like this videotape stuff and like converting this machine to this

[00:39:53] Andy: Thing with this sound and nowadays you could just do that with a click of a button yes no T's and plugins and now just all digital it's also easy you also have YouTube with all the **** info and a whole bunch of Miss info and mm-hmm weird producers who are like if you do it this way it's gonna sound like this and it's like cool that's one of five billion different ways to do it

[00:40:12] Jacob: Okay but yeah that's one of the bigger

[00:40:15] Andy: Differences now is that it's you have that kind of like instant knowledge instant access to things that you didn't before so that now people are like oh if I want to do this I'll go on YouTube and look up how to do it and that's how you do it that's very well yeah again

[00:40:32] Jacob: Nuanced you haven't you have different

[00:40:34] Andy: Methods and different things that when you do branch out and actually start working in this field if you want to

[00:40:42] Jacob: It's you see a lot of things that

[00:40:45] Andy: Crossover a. k like from production and

[00:40:49] Jacob: DJing and like okay DJing you have you have to deal with rhythms tempos and getting body moving and stuff like that with that you get like a good ear for

[00:40:59] Andy: Hearing things off time especially if

[00:41:02] Jacob: You're used to beat matching by without

[00:41:04] Andy: Hitting a sync button you can feel it almost instantly when something is off time right and then you have like the technical side so I do a lot of IT work and stuff and that's you have to be able to set up a computer and be able to use it that's a skill set that most everyone should have in general nowadays but it's stuff like that is it's a culminating unlike a lot of other jobs where it's like okay you do this you do that it's you have to have a breadth of skillsets and then shove it all into one and use little bits and pieces when you need to there's that's like most jobs but with at least with this job I have to take in facets from a whole bunch of different subgenres so it's like taking from different cultures pretty much to you if you have to do a jazz album alright well they're not gonna want their kick drum **** slamming right in their face like words no like maybe some acid trials if

[00:42:02] Andy: You're getting experimental by like in the general there are standards and so you have to like kind of go in with that culture and that's your like take a different facet of your life take it take a different experience and be like alright well this is a country song okay country music is like very vocal and guitar heavy very tight very like well

[00:42:25] Jacob: Performed if you listen to country very

[00:42:28] Andy: Rare in modern pop country you're

[00:42:31] Jacob: Bad players right at all like very rare

[00:42:35] Andy: And so you doing country it's like you can't be as loose as you would like say

[00:42:40] Jacob: Doing a grunge punk album and you have to also remember that like okay there who's gonna be listening to it who is that who's the end result like there's so many different like facets that go into each individual genre that you have to kind of remember and apply to whatever you're working on right with

[00:43:02] Andy: The DJing listen is so much ****

[00:43:05] Jacob: Different music helps a ton like you had to listen to a bunch for your wedding cuz you wouldn't be playing the same **** at a wedding that you would be a Saturday night bar yeah we're at a rave or at a rave yeah like house party like that's the thing is you really gotta like that's like I think the fun part about when people like oh I want to

[00:43:26] Andy: Be a DJ or I want to be a producer like they kind of forget that like enveloping your whole life into it is like the fun part like watching little YouTube videos about this producer out of the way he does this thing does correlate to the wedding you're about to DJ next Saturday like it all teaches you little different things and you got to learn kind of different like being able to like read people and read situations too and kind of like be able to show up as different versions of yourself like I'm not going to be the same guy playing techno on a Saturday night as I am in a wedding exactly get 100% it's the same like if I'm going to act a little bit

[00:44:02] Jacob: Differently with my crazy blunt smoking clients then I will with my super religious clients like that's just you know that's just common kind of calm since in a way but it also is a

[00:44:15] Andy: Necessity in certain genres and how you vibe and get the end result right cuz if you're in a room with a bunch of people getting high and laying back and chilling out and you're the sober

[00:44:27] Jacob: Stickler like either caffeinated guy

[00:44:30] Andy: That's your mix is probably not going to reflect the vibe all right of the thing

[00:44:36] Jacob: And vice versa maybe like it's actually huge it is maybe you're like a huge stoner like I am yeah and you're gonna be doing a session like I have coming up in a bit which is probably going to be some like very like classical strings type stuff hmm I don't want to be blasted out of my mind like I would for a heavy hip-hop or trap session exact I want to be like it's classical music like the people who are listening to this are not going well maybe they're probably not going to be on a bunch of drugs like that's nice that's the thing you got to put yourself in like the listening yes you gotta like yeah I have to change my hat so yeah go now to listener mode if I was gonna just be listening to this in the car what would I hear what would I not like okay back to the engineer all right you got to play this better or move your to the mic now I'm mixing it okay cool now I have to like is does it sound correct as does this mix with this it doesn't actually like feel right when all the instruments come in and like again these are super abridged things

[00:45:40] Jacob: It's much more involved than that but it's that's kind of the mentality behind it yeah and having to be able to hop between all those hats is like that takes practice and not a lot of folk

[00:45:55] Andy: Have the option and ability to do that

[00:45:59] Jacob: And be like the patience to do that

[00:46:02] Andy: Because it's a time consuming and you deal with a lot of really interesting people along the way and that's what's again like how you said you have to like that part of the job like you have to be cool with that you can't be like oh I have to had to work with this problem ya know you got to be like whoa I just happen to work with this type of person you know this type of person in this type of person and because it's a much more intimate one-on-one type of thing almost like a tattoo artist not like a doctor but almost like a tattoo artist type of relationship yeah it's a bit more intimate than just like going somewhere and having like your mechanic fix your car or having like this dude

[00:46:40] Jacob: Build this for you yeah it's like you do exactly this yeah I you know yeah

[00:46:45] Andy: Like oh you repair computers yeah here's my laptop fix it here's money thank you it's like no I have to be sitting there working back and forth with the person

[00:46:55] Jacob: Because ultimately it's their thing in

[00:46:58] Andy: The end it's not mine at all it's not like I have a skill set that I build it for them and then end of story I fix it for them in the story I do fix things but it's a different type of fixing it's like taking their ideas and almost fixing someone's ideas and fixing someone's concepts which you don't do a lot in other fields where you take an idea and be like alright let's **** with it yeah you're the designer of the think you listen to the words that I say in this you use your hands to create what's in another person's head exact times like you've taken though hand I could build the skills exactly and you have to end a lot of times it's interpreting really vague description okay really that they don't realize is it vague at all until you look at them and you're like yeah until how would you set the deer and headlights look like okay let's see if this is what you want in most of the time you could just work through it and they're like that's it exactly and so the end that's part of the fun of the job is like well I have no idea what this person wants time to

[00:48:02] Andy: Start experimenting and that's what's that's kind of exciting when you're like well I have free rein to just kind of do

[00:48:09] Jacob: Whatever I want with this song and see

[00:48:13] Andy: How it goes and that's and that's what's fun about it is you have that kind of unknown like okay cool I have a Play Doh to just play with hmm but it's a song and it's not mine and that's the other thing is it's a little different is because it's not your song a lot of times you're not like emotionally invested so you make decisions that are way more broad and way more maybe not as

[00:48:38] Jacob: Calculated per se for sure

[00:48:40] Andy: But in general it becomes like that's at least I do that's the vibe it's like oh let's try this and see how this sounds and if it doesn't work cool we'll try something else but you have to like it's kind of like one of those you bit and that's you build up a sound or a vibe for the

[00:48:58] Jacob: Person with the person and that's it's

[00:49:01] Andy: It's kind of a time-consuming process because some people it comes really quickly with others other times you're pullin teeth and it

[00:49:11] Jacob: May never happen mm-hmm and sometimes

[00:49:14] Andy: That's the case and it happens but it's definitely part of the learning period learning curve when you're like oh I actually legitimately am not the

[00:49:25] Jacob: Right fit for this person's work like right had that I have had that happen where it's like I'm sorry I am not the

[00:49:32] Andy: Right person to be the one working on this because yeah you got to be able to do that to you I don't know anything about the genre all right I don't like this daughter at all and I'm going to charge you way more money because I'm

[00:49:43] Jacob: Just having to deal with you and that

[00:49:46] Andy: Happens like remember how you act around

[00:49:49] Jacob: Your engineers will get you perks and fart because of you kind of a dick you might you know charge you the dick fee

[00:49:59] Andy: The dick fee

[00:50:00] Jacob: Yeah and because we don't like getting **** around yeah dude it's a different world it's not it's not all cut and dry it's music it's art and that's the thing that some people forget is it's not like a doctor yeah I liked what you said about tattoo artists it's kind of like that relationship yeah that's relatable for a lot of people yeah and it's very similar cuz you're going to your one guy who's really **** good cuz he knows how to do the art well he knows how to get your ideas down and like

[00:50:30] Andy: That's exactly what an audio engineer is and turns the studio audio engineer and producer is their job is to take the ideas that are in your head make sure that they're recorded and put down they're actually good

[00:50:44] Jacob: Mmm-hmm worth your time rather than like you know a poor recording of an awesome

[00:50:50] Andy: Song which don't get me wrong if the song is really that awesome a poor recording sometimes gives it extra vibe but this day and age it's that's a weird thing to yeah it's just real yeah it's just this day and age it's there's no excuse you have such good options to get a decent quality recording even just for a demo at your house that like you there's no excuse for what I hear a mix that someone's done and it literally sounds like a **** mp3 from 2001 downloaded off of LimeWire that has been already re-encoded three times 16 times a different one time I got I had to play

[00:51:25] Jacob: The instrumentals for the outlaws who

[00:51:28] Andy: Their claim to fame was they're like to pox cousins or something but they were just like the worst quality sound files they were like the thinnest waveforms I've ever seen I was like how many times did you read your own stuff off YouTube and I only point that out because they were totally **** rude to me so I'm just gonna but heard about it I guess still so I do want to talk about team

[00:51:49] Jacob: Bonsais creative process like so because

[00:51:53] Andy: You've been doing like more modular stuff too and yet really stuff one turn off all the nights step to get more stoned I was listened to ADHD on the way here like the first song is just a super good man I just imagine yeah that one the first song like an opening so that one was intended for that specific purpose and then it just kind of evolved into something else but no that one that one was what did I do again I got really stoned cuz a lot of

[00:52:28] Jacob: Those are evolved like they start in one direction and by the end by what I release its you either an entirely different song or if it's one of the lucky ones it's done in a day like it that's how my productions go it's I their whole thing is just done like all the ideas are just out I just blew my load all over the Ableton and it's just a mess it's pasted it's pasted and it's just it's just white and goo everywhere and then other times it's just it's just dust going out and bits at a time just blooms yep just purr

[00:53:01] Andy: And they just barely coat like an airbrush but do you save those ones day yeah and those are but those ones are like that first song was one of the dusts in like the first the first bit the first half of the very instrumental wide open he's sent these stuff that one was all in a day and then everything else was just incremental it was like because it was like I heard I heard the rest of it kind of buildup in my head but it wasn't one of those like oh I got everything out like oh cool I mean I've done other songs like

[00:53:33] Jacob: Social media that one on there that one was the whole beat and everything was done in a day and that vocals are done later like it's in my process a lot of

[00:53:41] Andy: Times as making the sounds first like I

[00:53:44] Jacob: Will spend 3-4 hours just making sounds

[00:53:48] Andy: And usually one sound or one bass line or something like that will then spark the entire song mmm and so that's how my

[00:54:00] Jacob: Process has been lately is all I like you said the modular stuff I have a pretty decent sized modular system

[00:54:09] Andy: Eurorack modular synthesizer system the kind you see like deadmau5 and those guys like actual nubs the actual knobs and Kate real what cables that I have to plug in get things places and like and so I'll use that to kind of make general rhythms and other stuff like that like just background noise a lot of times now because I'll let that play and come up with kind of a pattern or rhythmic kind of thing so I'm not just playing off of a drum beat cuz I used to literally just don't and then record whatever I ideas would come up and over a four on the floor kick and it would get boring and it's a good way to get

[00:54:52] Jacob: Something down but it's a goodness after you know five years of doing it that way yeah because a lot of my stuff would start off like I'd have a bass sound but like a bass isn't like bass guitar bass

[00:55:06] Andy: Synth but like a bass level sound then I would add the drums on top and half the time I'm just being for the for-loop to build off you just sucked right back into it I get sucked right back and do it which that's what happens to a lot of producers but lately now

[00:55:21] Jacob: I've been right alike compose all the

[00:55:24] Andy: Instrumental parts or the general

[00:55:27] Jacob: Instrumental parts first and then I will

[00:55:30] Andy: Do the drums because drums have now become way too easy I mean like in terms of like quickly throwing them out and getting ideas and Michael rhythmic patterns nothing basic and then when I do like the weird rhythmic stuff that takes time like weird glitchy clicks that are totally off tempo that they're off tempo yet on

[00:55:49] Jacob: Tempo that kind of stuff yeah those take time but like general just throwing out an arrangement of drums for a 3-minute song now is pretty like it after many years of practice it's like alright cool like I can get a general kind of rhythm going and then adjust accordingly so a lot of times now I'm just building the song off of musical ideas or sound ideas and kind of like vibes and like oh okay like having this kind of like textural ambient kind of thing and then it melds into this or it's like just right off the bat we're going drums bass everything right from the start like I just did a full track which I'll show you after oh yeah after we're done with this power to Casting but none of

[00:56:34] Andy: You listening you get to wait that's all done with it Ableton's analog everything but the master chained drums

[00:56:43] Jacob: Since pads weird vocal sounding **** all of its done with Ableton to analog and that was just to challenge myself to try

[00:56:52] Andy: Something different and make every single sound using one set the one type of synthesizer a very basic one and then built-in plugins to actually make it sound good and not sound like **** karaoke **** from a Casio giving yourself walls like that is actually a really good idea like yes and that use matter that's what I was gonna go into which was like giving yourself

[00:57:12] Jacob: Like there's there is a thing there's a little bit of Zen of having those limitations and that's what I kind of like about hardware is that while I **** love serum if you don't know serum is one of

[00:57:26] Andy: The best synthesizers for PC Mac whatever I don't think is on Linux but PC and Mac and it is super powerful you can do so much **** with it you can modulate and do tons of stuff it's

[00:57:39] Jacob: Insanely powerful and sounds great well with hardware you can't do that unless you have a lot of **** money right like you can't just magically patch the same thing to another thing with a cable like you need a splitter and then more cables and this and it's like oh cool just to do what in serum is a drag-and-drop motion cost you two hundred and fifty dollars not even kidding it can cost that much just for a simple utility now it doesn't make sound it doesn't do anything but when you have

[00:58:11] Andy: A hardware synthesizer that's built so that you have everything kind of like routed for you like the korg ms-20 or

[00:58:18] Jacob: The Mini Moke Model D or some of

[00:58:21] Andy: Those classic analog mono synths those limitations lead you to me a bit more like to be musically creative right you got to work with what you got to work with what you got and then and you kind of kind of stick with it's like oh well I kind of wish that I can make this sound go a bit more like sharp in

[00:58:39] Jacob: The cut down so like the only the technical term would be a very quick envelope on like a filter and so it's just like just shuts down well you only

[00:58:48] Andy: Have one envelope on it on most synthesizers and sometimes two one for volume and one for the filter but a lot of times it's just one for both volume and then maybe the filters so whatever your volume settings that your filter settings also at and you're stuck with it there is no other way to change it so That is your sound like you can't sound design it and get it like really precise it's that is yourself yeah working with it yeah that's why you're working with them then wouldn't you go back and listen to old music that's how they worked that's how keyboardist and bands worked is he bought a keyboard he bought it because it was chock full of **** sounds you didn't have to actually design yourself you just sat and played and based your stuff off that and like buying vinyl crates exactly and you would you it's like the yeah the Dilla way you based **** hole beat off of one tiny little fragment of a sample you found while crate digging bless J Dilla oh yeah the

[00:59:43] Andy: The way that Hardware you interact with hardware without having a screen and you're limiting those options does give you the kind of the freedom to like hey I'm gonna actually make some music or make some weird noises or something like that rather than spending your time and clicking and focusing on the actual act of doing the sound design because that is a ton of fun in itself

[01:00:08] Jacob: But you don't really have anything

[01:00:11] Andy: Musical after you have a cool sound right yeah it's hard to like keep going yeah like to actually get like we're you actually jamming and doing something and so that's a that's a thing where I've tried really hard to not get caught in those loops while I produce where I will I'll maybe either make a designated day where hey today I'm just doing random sound design like I'm making kicks I'm making snares I'm making weird

[01:00:35] Jacob: Bass patches I'm making pads maybe one of those will inspire a song and a lot of times that'll happen like all of a sudden I made a cool last pad and a bass oh well that's song that's gonna be a

[01:00:46] Andy: Song now or nothing happens and I'm sitting there staring and Ableton like everything sounds like **** and you step away and come back but a lot of times it's to not get stuck in those sound design loops it's like I'll make a sound and then I will force myself to stop and move on to the next one and not go back to it until I have to like really focus

[01:01:07] Jacob: On it because otherwise I will spend 4 and a half hours listening to the same bass loop making it a little bit better a little bit better yeah oh no I wanted to knock like this and then the minute I add another sound hope it doesn't sound right mm-hmm and so and you lose that kind of big picture mentality which that's what and then you lose three hours it yeah it sounds exactly the same

[01:01:29] Andy: Hours of listing dude sometimes I'll get into just like making it just like playing a synth or playing something over and over just like building sound design and then you'll finally pause it and you're like your body is like whoa like you like stop sprinting through space you just felt like you're like whatever frequency that was just only way I can describe that is like the

[01:01:52] Jacob: Same feeling you get when you take LSD and you ride a bike stop in the world the rubber bands

[01:02:00] Andy: Around you after you stop there's only going to be a few a subset of listeners who understand that reference but they will know and they will be like oh my god they're gonna make I'm getting into sound design immediately like because you were 100 percent right if you are two and a half hours of jamming deep and you just lost in the sauce yeah you come back to reality you're like what the **** just happened where did all the time what did I just do and if you're smart and your rear according it you go back and listen you go oh god what the **** was I doing what

[01:02:34] Jacob: Dimension was I on yeah I had a time where I was I went to a concert actually I went to a grandson show he's the name of the artist but we were I had working with sounds all day and I was just feeling kind of wonky like my legs just felt like wobbly like just because

[01:02:50] Andy: I was doing a weird frequencies and listening to binaural beats at some point in the morning like in some of my legs were literally wobbly at this concert and I talked to my buddy I was like bro we got to sit down I think my legs feel like they're gonna whop wobble off from this weird frequency I was listenin to earlier today yeah that's

[01:03:08] Jacob: That's totally a thing like you can totally get lost in the sauce would just sound designing and that's what happens but that's sometimes where you stumble upon the coolest **** when you're just jamming for two hours and all of a sudden you tweak one knob and mm-hmm a whole song idea pops in your head it's like I've had I had I had a random like a random patch turn into an entire song and the patch the whole song is based around the same thing going like over and over again it evolves throughout the things that's never the same but that was literally just a

[01:03:43] Andy: Random like stoned **** around that nip like whoa what the what the hell is it record right and then it became a song and it's that's the that's what I like about like synthesizers in that regard where you have that kind of randomness and unlike a guitar or piano or where you have to kind of have some intent and some meaning fine it's very

[01:04:06] Jacob: Rare that you can just start derping on the piano or guitar without having some sort of prior yeah you can't explain

[01:04:14] Andy: Whatever keys you want it's just like this isn't fun I want to walk away yeah exactly got a little bit with it with a synthesizer you can set it to where it generates kind of its own stuff constantly randomly and some people might say that oh that's not that takes no talent volleyball oh it was like but it's a different type of no talent it's like well yeah it doesn't it's not like a skill set like a guitar player a pianist or any classical musician but if you want to actually get something cool that's musical that's then that sounds palatable and palatable it's a very

[01:04:50] Jacob: Broad term it does take a bit of

[01:04:53] Andy: Know-how and knowledge and then and

[01:04:56] Jacob: **** around and technical knowledge to be able to let the Machine **** around on its own right and know when to

[01:05:07] Andy: Interfere and when to interfere and how to interfere yeah because I feel like it's like you're I don't know you're kind of like riding around you're kind of constantly keeping track of your kind

[01:05:22] Jacob: Of constantly keeping the beat like

[01:05:25] Andy: Keeping time I guess like even through

[01:05:28] Jacob: Something where you're just like oh like there's a time to it yeah you're like looking for and you're like ready to like as you're making your own beat from the sound of nothing I think there is still like a musical time to it yeah and that's that I mean that's exactly what an oscillator is it's just choose putting out a different you know amount of oscillation over time the quicker the quicker the amount of oscillation that's happening the higher the pitch you perceive and so when

[01:05:59] Andy: You're doing stuff with synthesizers that's exactly what you're manipulating is the frequency of a wave form of

[01:06:07] Jacob: An electrical pulse that's then being output to a speaker that's like pure sound is what it the way you could describe it is like the purest type of sound you can get yes there's no nothing else happening it's

[01:06:22] Andy: Just a single type of wave being drawn

[01:06:25] Jacob: In the electrons dude learning about sound is so crazy like I was just I'm constantly reminded of how just mind-blowing it is like we just see that like will you plug that into the wall and it makes sound duh yeah it's like always it's a whole bunch of really complex waveforms and electronics dancing around inside then reproduce this so that we can actually hear it in a correct way that doesn't sound **** up to us yes yeah it's an insane like when you get to the technical like the really nitty-gritty technical mathematical nerdy **** side of it is

[01:07:02] Andy: Boring as **** but also impressive as **** and there's many smart people that we built upon the shoulders of oh

[01:07:11] Jacob: Definitely dude yeah definitely Tesla

[01:07:15] Andy: For example Tesla coils but I mean like

[01:07:18] Jacob: **** Bell mic yeah those guys who helped invent you know telecommunication and that kind of thing yeah it's not incredibly impressive or anything no not at all just thinking about like the amount of knowledge that I have in my head cavity just like if this all went to **** and then it's like I'm one of the last ones and I'm like well Jake you know the most about sound out of all the people that are left can you remake a speaker I'd be like what yeah I can make fart sounds my mouth yeah exactly Andy you do so we had met up we first

[01:07:52] Andy: Met through mentorship so thank you teaching me I'm technically your student or was yeah so how did you we just briefly touch on that if you want how did you get into to teaching and feel like the teaching audio stuff was

[01:08:09] Jacob: Because the awful company that we will not name that we were both part of for a

[01:08:16] Andy: While they were looking for people who

[01:08:21] Jacob: Could teach Ableton and other stuff because they had they just start a program for Ableton Live and they were

[01:08:28] Andy: Originally doing I think Pro Tools maybe logic but just Pro Tools and one of the other engineers it works here was teaching Pro Tools and they were like we need people who teach Ableton so that's how I started doing that with them and actually like mentoring people as a job and it started off pretty well it was a

[01:08:46] Jacob: Different company back then

[01:08:49] Andy: Lots of ownership change of the loss of

[01:08:52] Jacob: Yeah lots of different admin change and I think of I think the concept though I think I wanted to bring it up because I think the concept is so cool and

[01:09:03] Andy: Like it's the concept was really good

[01:09:06] Jacob: Yeah and I mean I don't want to go I

[01:09:09] Andy: Can't like describe the concept lately like giving it away at what we're talking about just a different way of teaching and learning yeah and just more hands-on it had a much more hands-on approach than normal and that was really

[01:09:23] Jacob: Cool mm-hmm but it had a lot of flaws in the yeah no me that it was executed on their end right yeah but so I think on the positive side of it for me like again I went I went through my own wringer with these people like I had a whatever but being able to being able to

[01:09:45] Andy: Like come and learn face to face and like if I'm working on something I can like take my headphone off and ask you a question yeah and it's it wasn't set up in the sense that it was like the typical classroom yeah and that kind of thing which that was that was nice and that's the best way to learn in my opinion where you're not like forced to write your this is it's from this time to this time test is on this time I'll see you then yeah it just doesn't work for some people man like it just I can't sit there and pay attention for that one not at all

[01:10:17] Jacob: Yeah I just I was just kind of I was talking about it because I'm just kind of curious with all this you know coming back to the present time with all the COVID sort of stuff like I feel like you

[01:10:25] Andy: Know all these kids are out of school right now and they're we're discovering different ways as a earth right now it's a nation for sure but the whole world is

[01:10:34] Jacob: Kind of learning new ways to learn you know learning more like at home like yeah the classrooms gonna be changing oh yeah I have a feeling that online classes and more remote worked and that kind of stuff will probably become way more normal I have a feeling people are gonna realize there's a lot of things we could have been doing where we didn't have to show up for **** meetings doc certain doctor's appointments like what else um probably like some government appointment type stuff as well like stuff that can easily be done remotely where you don't have to stay in a waiting room and you have to do it face to face and notice how much you know faster inefficient it is

[01:11:19] Andy: When you don't have that layer of crap

[01:11:21] Jacob: To deal with like I kind of wish like you know the DMV and like that kind of **** would do that okay the DMV of all places oh yeah like come on we like understandable if you have to get your photo taken for an ID and stuff but like renewal forms and like that kind of **** like come on it seems like we should that can be very easily automated yeah with the incredible technology that we were just talking about like we should be able to figure out how to have someone stand in front of a line and take a photo for to get renew their license yeah or like yeah I'd let you do it all online and then all you have to do is just take a photo that's it oh yeah that would be glorious but yeah the I think I think one of the biggest thing that's gonna probably change is how like what the priority for actually doing face-to-face stuff is going to be like is it necessary now that we have you know so much

[01:12:17] Andy: Telecommuting and other stuff like that

[01:12:19] Jacob: I mean how many people's jobs are you know going to just be like oh there wasn't a Productivity dip when

[01:12:28] Andy: They were working from home right there are so many corporations and other companies that were like no you can't work from home you'll be a **** horrible employee oh well government

[01:12:40] Jacob: Says you're working from home yeah in sure enough they're gonna do the same amount of work as money yeah and might even do it better you know there's not somebody over their shoulder yeah but then other people might you know like me included who when you're at home it's like oh I don't really feel like doing work not mom not my workspace brain is not ready to work I know you got a really that's a new thing people are bringing out to start learning how to like how to work from home I actually had a homie who texted

[01:13:12] Andy: Me a couple hours ago he's like bro you got to do like a video or something about like mental health working from home because like that's I'm all about mental health and stuff and working from home for a while like it's what's normal to you and I like being able to set up our zone and make sure this is right before I go like we've built that up over time there's all these people who are like all clunky at home not knowing what to do and not how to like they're like well I'm gonna watch TV over here now have to have a desk and wait I don't actually have a workplace at home yeah I don't have a workplace at home there is no like desk or there is no designated area no I'm like where we have that option at our house because we've set it up that way yes yeah like **** you're

[01:13:51] Jacob: Right you're 100% right there's so many

[01:13:54] Andy: Folks who are just thrown into the into

[01:13:59] Jacob: The fire just like well yeah you get to now figure this **** out you know who not only don't want to but they're gonna have to like learn how to do that anyway so when you like you have learned a lot

[01:14:09] Andy: From different facets in your life for sure but I feel like I always like putting a pin in this I'd be willing to bet that you've probably learned a good amount from YouTube and like reddit forums and the internet oh my faults are true and that know you're wondering percent true I mean with this job no it's like a lot of others you're learning you're learning a **** it all the time it's just with YouTube and whatnot especially with YouTube there's a lot of **** to sift through for sure and that's that and there didn't you there used to be **** but it didn't seem to be as much so to say like I don't want to say there were more reputable outlets but they were more out there were more out outlets that were better

[01:14:53] Jacob: At giving you more accurate information that can be used in a broad spectrum rather than a very nice like

[01:15:00] Andy: Make the best rap snare ever kind of

[01:15:03] Jacob: **** or like really click baby stuff right or like my biggest **** pet

[01:15:09] Andy: Peeve I hate YouTube tutorials that

[01:15:14] Jacob: Literally only play five to ten seconds

[01:15:17] Andy: Of whatever you're making for the entire

[01:15:20] Jacob: Like 10-15 minute video you only ever

[01:15:23] Andy: Hear the end result like a tiny bit you never hear and during the whole making of it's like they're explaining everything but they're never playing bits of like how it's going and they're talking too much yeah our heads need to know what the end is yeah and so I've found a couple guys who will do show what it is at the end but they still talk too much right and like there but that's the one thing is it seems that people need to see the thing happening without all the **** commentary mm-hmm because then your it will click it was like oh this changes this when that's what I try to tell all of my former students and whatnot and people who are wondering it's like actually spend the time to like sit down with the software or sit down with the hardware little knobs **** around with it actually learn what's happening with it like when you turn this knob what does it do yes when you happen to turn this knob and listen um at the same time what's the end result rather than

[01:16:25] Andy: Hopping into those YouTube tutorials where they're like okay and then you go here you use this and **** throw this saturator on and do the blah and then it's like alright well so you can follow along and follow along but it's also like if you don't know how to actually use step one and what the de guy is doing and why he's doing it like you can or what happens when you turn that knob kind of like oh when I go farther it makes it more high-pitched squeegees squelchy sound squeegee that's

[01:16:57] Jacob: A good word in squelchy and squeegee and squelchy or like you turn this up and the tail end of the sound gets longer like that kind of thing and you if you start building up how you interpret the thing is happening then when you see something going on and you hear someone talking they might explain it in a weird way that you're like that's not how my brain interprets a precise think it makes it sound like this in my head well when you're watching a tutorial or something and there's no one talking I'm just showing you like with software and stuff you just screen cap and you can see all the mouse clicks and everything you don't need an explanation why you can show them like oh I'm turning this here's how it sounds here's how it sounds it's like that's what seems to be missing a lot from a lot of toriel's is like the end

[01:17:46] Andy: Results how it sounds not like why you did it or what you're doing it for it's like no that you can do that yeah you can tell explain the concept but if someone knows what the resonance of a filter is you don't need to explain that the whole **** time I think yeah you can you can get there themselves or you can be like hey if you don't know what these parts are here's a tutorial that actually explains what everything is so now when you watch this you're not going in completely blind but I'm not going to be explaining the goddamn reason each and every **** time right and so like and I'll find that a lot where it's like it's some of these I don't have any examples and I don't want to give any examples I don't want to bad-mouth people and right off the bat there are a couple I can think of but they will just talk and talk and talk and that's it's like what is this tutorial or is it I'm here to get answers to my question here to try to learn how you make this type synth or

[01:18:41] Jacob: Whatever you titled it but in the end it's like oh I got five minutes of hearing this like wobble bass and then over five seconds of hearing this wobble bass and that's it like I heard how what what you did to get to your end result and none of the wire like how does it sound in between these stages cuz a lot

[01:18:59] Andy: Of the times it's just they're hopping okay and then you had this guy and then you add this guy and then you add this guy and it's just like okay that's cool like good job in the sound design but I kind of want to hear if maybe it sounded different in stage 5 and it sounded like better or what I was kind of going for yeah and when you add this family why does it sound like sound like that like that kind of thing and like I said there are guys who do that and their tutorials are pretty good but again they's though guys also try to or tend to explain everything over again in each video and that's where it's kind of like with

[01:19:35] Jacob: YouTube there's there are great

[01:19:38] Andy: Resources like previews like a pros

[01:19:41] Jacob: Spectra Sound Studios like those guys

[01:19:44] Andy: Are really awesome and production expert those guys are great but then you have a bunch of these like the only way I can

[01:19:53] Jacob: Describe the producers of the EDM era

[01:19:57] Andy: Sorry yeah well they just started in

[01:20:01] Jacob: Like the mid to late 2000s mhm and

[01:20:04] Andy: It's like the FL maybe early Ableton adopters but a lot of them are the FL producers and stuff and you'll and ice a lot of people just trying to mimic sounds and that's the other thing I was gonna get to which is like everyone hears like **** what's his name really famous producer that I am

[01:20:23] Jacob: Blanking on his name inter boom Metro boomin thank you so you're thinking that is literally who I was thinking uh-oh because he's the one who's like I want that member Metro boomin kick you right

[01:20:34] Andy: I want that Metro boomin 808 right and and or like I don't know if you go on like the reddit that has a lot of kits for drums on it yes but they there's so many so many options that are all like this is the kit from X and X song this is the kit from X and X song and it's just like cool I just want like a good

[01:21:04] Jacob: Unique drum set that's like not you know a direct rip from this dude I have a song I think that people will find more and more when they like do follow it cuz those things when you see them like okay

[01:21:16] Andy: So if I'm scrolling through and I see like Kanye West drum kit like I like Kanye West and so I have a pinch of like oh that's cool but then you also gotta be like but what can I really do with that like exactly if you can't really get to where you're gonna like improve it or be able to use it or like you're not really trying to recreate what he's doing like you want to sit down and create something of your own exactly and like if you also if you take one of those drum sets you use it like it's just kind of like

[01:21:42] Jacob: Okay well he just stole a different

[01:21:45] Andy: Producers like drum sound like we went out and I've heard I've heard something like they just ripped the entire kit like that they just used the entire kit and you're like that's the same sample from a nice Iraqis song or like that kind of stuff and we're just like wait oh they downloaded the unofficial drum kit and they're just

[01:22:07] Jacob: Literally using that as their main drum

[01:22:10] Andy: Which I mean is cool I guess it's like it's cool to do that and then you get something going and you like get you and your homies so like have fun it sounds familiar and stuff but I don't know it's just kind of like if your end goal is trying to like get your own sound out or sell later yeah like especially if you sell it yeah at that point it's like that's kind of a dick yeah dude I think the YouTube thing is huge for me because that's something that like I feel like the last I don't know a year and a half or so I hate because I've always been a YouTube guy and I'm always like watching ton Z when I first started producing pretty much just like have it open on this window and then follow along exactly on the right side and it was just like I mean that's how I

[01:22:48] Jacob: Learned at first but it held me back what I should have been doing is just like kind of learning how or what this little corner of the thing needs you and then just playing with them and listening to it exactly seeing what that sounds like and then if it sounds cool do something else that sounds that same sort of you know dig into it explore the program I think that's we get really caught up in watching tutorials and kind of what failure the started result I need that it's right or even opposite just like thinking that you need to be a professional before you make anything oh yeah that's got to be the perfect sound designer before you can even start **** around they'd do that to myself very much that is the bane of so many

[01:23:25] Andy: People's radical attempts is just I have to be on the level of the weekend I have to be on the level of **** Celine Dion I have to be on the level of **** whoever the **** just make some **** bro **** yeah just make some **** make some **** even if it's **** yeah even it just put it out yeah put it out because you won't get anywhere if you don't write like that's the whole point of making this and doing this is like you make it you put it out you let people hear it there's some like it some won't you might not like it yeah but you did something bleep created it I probably felt cool when you were learning it and you can develop your whole life into it

[01:24:04] Jacob: Dude just actly just lean into what you enjoy and just do it and then if people like it they do and if they don't that's fine if you like it hell yeah that's probably a good note to end on then yeah I wanna so on the last thing to end on I'm gonna ask you this one question and we'll end on your answer all right if aliens they roll on down they break through the atmosphere and they're like alright we only speak in sound so give

[01:24:31] Andy: Us your best musician and they happen to go right outside here and they're asking you this question so you have to be like **** I have to choose the musician or person to communicate with these aliens on behalf of planet Earth who would you choose on behalf of planet behalf of planet Earth and somehow these are weird aliens that like only communicate with sound waves and cool **** so keep that in mind do they have to be alive no okay

[01:24:57] Jacob: That changes things yeah you can

[01:25:02] Andy: Resurrect them in this scenario that's that's a good that's a good question that's a tough one

[01:25:12] Jacob: Yeah it's there's what do you think like more like EDM guys or do you think like producers like Jimi Hendrix sort of guys like who are just like legend or technical in terms of in

[01:25:30] Andy: Terms of sound or music like sound like

[01:25:35] Jacob: Sound like sounds so or musician cuz I'm thinking like cuz I can go a couple ways like you can you go either way I'm leaving it totally okay totally open oh man see if it was just sounds no words no

[01:25:50] Andy: Lyrics no lyrical content nothing like that I would probably have to say Vangelis okay I'm drawing a blank they compose her for

[01:25:59] Jacob: Blade Runner okay

[01:26:02] Andy: Only because his sound design is **** amazing no offense Hans Zimmer Vangelis has got

[01:26:09] Jacob: You beat if there were words that needed

[01:26:15] Andy: To be said

[01:26:20] Jacob: Probably Elton John ooh I feel that

[01:26:24] Andy: Probably if there were words probably

[01:26:27] Jacob: Elton John mm-hmm if there were it's it's either Elton John or Freddie Mercury like cuz no John alive so he'd

[01:26:38] Andy: Still be able to do **** but French but forward but yeah for no words Vangelis hands down cool yeah I think I think all three of those are like if you had to resurrect one to Freddie Mercury that's good too

[01:26:49] Jacob: Yeah solid yep that's yeah it's a good place to end it on it's a good place in all right man I appreciate it thanks for coming and BS and thanks for uh fighting through the COVID oh yeah in this coma we braved we braved the plague yes brave - the plague all right listen er take care of yourself wash your hands like ten times and listen to some good music Check out Team Banzai on Spotify that's